Mag range in 2-3 to 12-16x
This is very true, having higher magnification range does create problems; however, it is possible to correct for these with better optical formulas, but that drives up price (look at Hensoldt 3.5-26, S&B 3-27, March 5-42 et al) it is easier to make a short magnification long scope more forgiving in just about every aspect, but not everyone wants a 16" 3x scope even though it may have the most forgiving experience.
Completely agree. I don't know shit about shit, but a lighter weight 4-20 seems like it would be the path of least resistance to getting something actually produced instead of these strange pie-in-the-sky wishlists. I would think that a fair amount of the design and manufacturing from the existing 4-20 could be utilized to produce a ZCO420H, which could have the economical incentive to actually happen.A lighter weight ZC420 would be pretty awesome for the hunting crowd
Asked for a lightweight ZC420 almost after release, request seemed to fall on deaf ears, this thread seems to have some traction so can't hurt to put in a wishlist, especially since Nick essentially encouraged it. A lighter weight 4-20 would require a complete rework of the optical formula and manufacturing, I am not sure how much could be shared when going from a 36mm 4-20 design down to a 30mm 4-20 design.
Just trying to interject a little grossly exaggerated humor into the conversation some people get it some don't.
Like I said, I don’t know shit. I am an engineer, but not an optical engineer. To extrapolate on my previous Tangent example, my understanding is that the TT315M and TT315P have the same (or similar) “optical formula” and also have the same eyepiece, parallax and illumination components (but of course I could be wrong). Different main body different turrets, and I’m sure other components that I don’t know about. If ZCO was able to move forward in a similar fashion and only modify part of the design & manufacturing, that might (again I don’t know shit) get an optic actually produced sometime in the near future.
And I'm not technically an engineer either, but I did teach high school science for a few years.
For a hunting scope I prefer only the center dot/portion of the reticle to illuminate.A lighter weight ZC420 would be pretty awesome for the hunting crowd
While I would also like to see that, I personally think the trend of lpvos is something zco should not get involved in right now. To really shake things up in this heavily saturated market they would need to take part in the zoom ratio war and bring something new, which means they would need to heavily compromise on optical quality (or somewhere) and it is already I the name they don't want to do that. Also look at the pm2 1-8, that scope is not a big commercial success it seems like and the German army adopting it is what is bringing the sales (this is just an impression, I don't work for s&b and have no sales numbers or anything to solidify it, so take with a grain of salt!).
.I will probably get flamed here….I have owned S&B, Zeiss, NF and they all were great scopes, but right now the current top scope I still have is a Raz Gen2 no the glass isn’t quite as good as those, the S&B had the best glass and parallax adjustment, but I never liked the turrets, the NF had the best turrets, but I hated the entire rear ocular moved for the zoom and parallax adjustment was very finicky for me with that scope, the Zeiss was a hunting scope and I probably shouldn’t even included it but it was just meh. In my opinion the Razor GEN 2 is the best scope you can get in the price range that it is. With all that said I will not be getting rid of my razor GEN 2, but I will be buying a ZCO very soon.
I would prefer wide FOV in the lower end. A 2-10x with a FOV like the z6 1.7-10 would be a winner for my personal use.
I think their ability to listen to and sort/prioritize input is part of what makes their product stand out.Just having a manufacturer representative @gebhardt02 on here asking hide members for feedback is a big deal IMO
Forums are wealth of free market research on what potential buyers want for manufacturers. The downside is they can get dragged through the mud and go from hero to zero in a minute. I applaud any manufacturer that has the balls to step in the shark infested waters.Just having a manufacturer representative @gebhardt02 on here asking hide members for feedback is a big deal IMO
Or a 7-35x, I for one am buying that one if it comes out
I am opposed to 5mrad turrets if they're limited turn. I would say 20mrad should be the bare minimum dialing range.
“The bad news is I missed the buck of a lifetime he came out right at dark and I could just barely make out where to place the shot”
Lol.“The bad news is I missed the buck of a lifetime he came out right at dark and I could just barely make out where to place the shot”
“The good news is my arms aren’t tired from the 6oz I saved on the weight of my scope”
“If only I had a scope that could have gave me just a little more light”
I hear what you’re saying, but sometimes even the tiniest amount of light can make the difference on pulling that trigger or putting the safety back on when it comes to hunting. I know it has for me I will take extra light with a few more oz any day of the week, but that’s just me.
Right - what I meant is that it’s not extra light once the scope exit pupil is larger than your own pupil. All you can do is zoom in a teensy bit further.
In my personal experience using a s&b zenith with 56mm lens and a pm2 us with 50mm is that if it is already so dark to see a real difference between the two im already using a clip on that negates the difference. Hunters who can afford the zco can also afford thermal/I2 if they need it.
Ok I gotcha now. Yes I can agree with that . Sorry I wasn’t picking up what you were putting down earlier….
I wasn’t saying limit to 5mil, just use 5mil per turn and have a easily visible rev counter. Not sure what you mean by limited turn.
