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I have the EC next gen tuner / brake and they do work. I just recently started working with it and have already done some OCW tests and went right to the tuner. I'm likely going to back up and do some seating depth work with my best charge weights and get back into doing tuner tests with the best of the seating depth results.
View attachment 8172432With the 178 ELD M and the 44.3 Varget , aren't you limited to a Mag length of 2.800" OAL , and I'm guessing that is already a compressed load ? So I'm also guessing that the only you can test different OAL's in to seat the bullets deeper ?
175 smk federal 1x brass CCI #34 44.8 gr staball match 2.80 OAL.Anybody messing around with Staball Match yet?
175 smk federal 1x brass CCI #34 44.8 gr staball match 2.80 OAL.
10 round string on the magneto speed gave me 2439 fps for an average. ES was 37, SD was 12.3. This was shot out of a SR 25 ACC 16 bbl. 5 shot groups were right at 1.25. That’s about as good as anything shoots in it.
Funny story. I was just out shooting this afternoon. Had some 125 Speer TNT’s loaded up with with 50 gr of CFE 223 in mixed year nato brass with WLR primers. I had never shot that load on paper. It was just a cheap load for blasting. That same ACC shoots them into 1.375 5 shot groups. I thought it was a fluke but did it 3 times in a row.Thats what Id expect I get 2400 out of 43.5varget, win brass, 175smk from my 16” sig. m118lr was maybe 2450. M80 milspec is 2550. Want to try some 130gr bullets next.
@jgrayYes, I am with 168/175 SMk's, 168/178 ELD's It's got some impressive SD's and ES numbers with it.
.07" that's more than a few "curlies", I'll bet they are propitiatory to KA, like other AR's are to their brandKnights Armament mags will let me load longer to 2.87" and yes, 44.3 is beginning to compress that load a bit.
They are expensive, but not proprietary. The Larue mags will also get you 2.87, also expensive..07" that's more than a few "curlies", I'll bet they are propitiatory to KA, like other AR's are to their brand
FC Cases with 178 ELDM and 44.1gr Varget are right around 100% capacity at 2.86 for me. And shoot pretty well.Knights Armament mags will let me load longer to 2.87" and yes, 44.3 is beginning to compress that load a bit.
What issues did you have with your asc mags? I've had issues from some 20 rd mags myself, and am curious if it's the same problems. I use asc mags in other calibers for ar-15's and they run great.View attachment 8173158
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While i have had issue with acs 20rnd mags the 10 rounders have worked well for me.View attachment 8173165
5 shot with the circled one being clean( no copper) cold bore. The other outside the group was me pulling but still right at 1moa and very annoying.
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Then a single shot to confirm before I moved to steel. Again an off the shelf 716I.
The spring and the follower do not hold round flat against the feed lips. It would be crooked allowing the rear of the round to "sag" and the bolt would not catch the next round.What issues did you have with your asc mags? I've had issues from some 20 rd mags myself, and am curious if it's the same problems. I use asc mags in other calibers for ar-15's and they run great.
I actually ground that down too. Forgot to mention that, if you look at the pic a few posts back you can see its been "massaged".ASC mags the front area is a little higher and can cause feeding issues in some rifles. Maybe its been changed since then I dunno, my 308 mags are all pmags and e-lander:
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I actually ground that down too. Forgot to mention that, if you look at the pic a few posts back you can see its been "massaged".
The EC Tuner shrank my group size by half and is repeatable. They really make sense for the AR platform with the long throat and being restricted to magazine length Ammo.I have the EC next gen tuner / brake and they do work. I just recently started working with it and have already done some OCW tests and went right to the tuner. I'm likely going to back up and do some seating depth work with my best charge weights and get back into doing tuner tests with the best of the seating depth results.
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Been reading through all the post and a LOT of good info in here. Just haven't seen or missed the right combination of answers I'm looking for.
Do a lot of single stage loading for my 308 and 6.5cm bolt gun and .223 for the semi-precision gas gun on the Forester and other bulk loading on the Dillon. The 308 is a 26" barrel and loading Lapua with 175 SMK using Varget. Hand load AR-Comp for the .223 with Lapua and SMK 75g. The only rifle loads I do on the Dillon are for the AR-15 using H335 as it meters really well.
Just picked a PSA Gen3 PA-10 with 18" barrel and need to start building loads for that gun. Been reading no real difference in loading for the gas gun than for the bolt gun, reading yes there are differences. So, a definite maybe. Also read use the specs in the Service Rifle rather than standard 308 Win. Not seeing any difference in the case specs between the two so ?? Hornady specs a 1:12 twist for standard 308, I have a 1:10. Been seeing a lot of post that like H4895 and 168 A-Max, 178 A-Max (discontinued) and similar. I don't have H4895 and haven't seen any.
So.... questions. I have several hundred Hornady 150gr FMJ-BT (with cannelure) bullets in the cabinet, HUNDREDS of Hornady and Federal 308 brass, Varget and AR-Comp and H335 in quantity in the cabinet ahd Federal LR Match primers. Local club goes to 218 yards so all I'm planning on for the gas gun, belong to club that goes past 1,000y but long drive and run the bolt guns at that distance.
Want to work up a load using the 150gr Hornady to work ACCURATELY in the 100 to 218y range in the Hornady/Federal brass. AR-Comp or Varget and why? Seen H335 on the list used but not on the Hornady Manual list. Only powder on the Hornady Manual list I have is Varget. Seen AR-Comp used but not on the Hornady Manual list. Any difference in the sizing and prep from standard bolt gun prep? Bolt gun uses neck tension so I do a separate run on the single stage with the M-die plus anneal. Neck tension good enough or separate crimp?
Just about finished putting the rifle together but need loads to run other than factory. I spend a lot of time and money on the long range match loads for the bolt gun but don't want to spend near as much on the gas gun, to easy to pull the trigger x $
I'm a long time reloader but new to long range shooting. My current 308AR is based on the S&W MP-10. I say based, because the only parts original to the S&W are the upper/lower and ambi controls. It currently sports a Wilson Combat 20" barrel and BCG. I had to back the loads down from the previous barrel; unknown as to why. Anyway, here's my current loading on 150gr for up to 600 yards. Shoots 1/2" at 100yds if I do my part.Been reading through all the post and a LOT of good info in here. Just haven't seen or missed the right combination of answers I'm looking for.
Do a lot of single stage loading for my 308 and 6.5cm bolt gun and .223 for the semi-precision gas gun on the Forester and other bulk loading on the Dillon. The 308 is a 26" barrel and loading Lapua with 175 SMK using Varget. Hand load AR-Comp for the .223 with Lapua and SMK 75g. The only rifle loads I do on the Dillon are for the AR-15 using H335 as it meters really well.
Just picked a PSA Gen3 PA-10 with 18" barrel and need to start building loads for that gun. Been reading no real difference in loading for the gas gun than for the bolt gun, reading yes there are differences. So, a definite maybe. Also read use the specs in the Service Rifle rather than standard 308 Win. Not seeing any difference in the case specs between the two so ?? Hornady specs a 1:12 twist for standard 308, I have a 1:10. Been seeing a lot of post that like H4895 and 168 A-Max, 178 A-Max (discontinued) and similar. I don't have H4895 and haven't seen any.
So.... questions. I have several hundred Hornady 150gr FMJ-BT (with cannelure) bullets in the cabinet, HUNDREDS of Hornady and Federal 308 brass, Varget and AR-Comp and H335 in quantity in the cabinet ahd Federal LR Match primers. Local club goes to 218 yards so all I'm planning on for the gas gun, belong to club that goes past 1,000y but long drive and run the bolt guns at that distance.
Want to work up a load using the 150gr Hornady to work ACCURATELY in the 100 to 218y range in the Hornady/Federal brass. AR-Comp or Varget and why? Seen H335 on the list used but not on the Hornady Manual list. Only powder on the Hornady Manual list I have is Varget. Seen AR-Comp used but not on the Hornady Manual list. Any difference in the sizing and prep from standard bolt gun prep? Bolt gun uses neck tension so I do a separate run on the single stage with the M-die plus anneal. Neck tension good enough or separate crimp?
Just about finished putting the rifle together but need loads to run other than factory. I spend a lot of time and money on the long range match loads for the bolt gun but don't want to spend near as much on the gas gun, to easy to pull the trigger x $
Update on the AA2495 and 168eld trials.I’ve started working with AA2495 and 168 ELDMs. Looks very promising. Loaded 9 charge weights between 40.6-43.0. Only three shot groups, because I was just trying to eliminate bad loads and work from there. Seven of the nine were sub MOA. Five under 3/4 Moa. 41.5 is the first area I’ll be exploring. I’m expecting about 2580 from my 20” criterion barrel with that charge based on limited recoverable data from this trip. Between the bad sun angles, and low batteries in the chrono that day I had very few data points I trust. Fed brass, btw.
Greetings,
Have any of you ever used the ARMSCOR bullets?
I found .308 147gr FMJ at Armorally and was curious about them.
I tried some 147 gr fiocci FMJs that I picked up cheap. Best I could get was 3-4 moa.Greetings,
Have any of you ever used the ARMSCOR bullets?
I found .308 147gr FMJ at Armorally and was curious about them.
I was able to get decent accuracy with the Hornady 150 fmj and 45.0gr of S-W Precision. Some groups a little under MOA, most a little over up to about 1.5"I've always read the hornady fmj were pretty good but I've never used them.
Is it acceptable to use LR magnum primer for .308 & 6.5 CM?
The question to that would be... How far away do you need to hit what you're aiming at in an SHTF scenario?How about "Shiznit hits the fan" hypothetically of course.
So we all need to hit what we're aiming at!
4895? H or IMR?
I'm as guilty of chasing tight groups as anyone else. But for a true SHTF gun, you would likely be better off settling for a consistent less precise load that you can produce en masse.
You can buy 1 1/2 inch crap off the shelf.I was able to get decent accuracy with the Hornady 150 fmj and 45.0gr of S-W Precision. Some groups a little under MOA, most a little over up to about 1.5"
Been hit'n the gonja again there Ol' boy . . . enjoy!I load for Sunday picnic scenarios. Butterfly's and flowers.
You can tell some people have no plan. They speak in auras. Descriptive vibes.
I’ve tried many bullets in my AR10. Off the top of my head 147 fiocci fmj, 150 hornady fmj, 150 Speer hotcor, 155CC, 165 hornady interlock, 168CC, 168 horn BTHP 168 eldm, 175SMK, and 178 eldm. Probably missing a couple.You can buy 1 1/2 inch crap off the shelf.
You can half that moa with care and sweat labor for the same price.
Try some other bullets and see how good your skills really are.
If price is the determining factor then 1 1/2 moa I guess is gtg?