I bought one and he said he still has 2. I emailed Mike the length I wanted with a target crown yesterday, and he already sent me pictures of the finished barrel. It will ship Monday.
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View thread Contact supportI bought one and he said he still has 2. I emailed Mike the length I wanted with a target crown yesterday, and he already sent me pictures of the finished barrel. It will ship Monday.
.I agree with Padom's comments. I have a few Vudoos and would not have bought a Rim X if the original design had been like this.
Forgive my ignorance if this is common knowledge, Can you expand on your comments above in yellow especially on revolutionary design?This changes the design of RimX entirely.. you now need to have a reamer and set headspace for each ammo type you plan to shoot for proper ignition just like any other rimfire that came before the RimX.
That's why the RimX design is so revolutionary for high accuracy rimfire repeaters..
I have no issues with my RimX. This isn't necessary IMHO....
Also, you now need properly timed extractor grooves for thus. There goes all your prefits. Full custom timed barrel now.. at that point why not just go Vudoo instead of voiding warranty and cutting up your bolt??
Allan,I think you have me mixed up with somebody else, I am not offering any modifications to the Rim X,David - We exchanged PM's about this modification a while back and I completely understand why fellows like yourself and DPG are offering this service for the Rim X bolt.
I live a long way from anywhere in Australia and when these 700 foot print actions became popular, I started with a B14R. I liked the concept so ordered a 2 lug Vudoo from the US followed by 2 more 3 lug Vudoos.
I followed these with with a Primal Rights/TS Customs Rim X built to my specs ONLY because I was interested in the extractor design and pre fit barrel idea.
I've had a lot of custom rim fires built over the years (always takes ages and every expensive). It's a refreshing change to be able to order a prefit with chamber and contour options from the US and screw it on at home and go shooting!
Good luck with this Rim X modification and I'm sure it will be a success and prove popular with shooters in the US.
Allan.
Yes, my bad, David...Too many good gunsmiths to choose from in the US!!!Allan,I think you have me mixed up with somebody else, I am not offering any modifications to the Rim X,
No worries bud.Yes, my bad, David...Too many good gunsmiths to choose from in the US!!!
Please accept my apologies.
Allan.
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Forgive my ignorance if this is common knowledge, Can you expand on your comments above in yellow especially on revolutionary design?
Thanks for the in depth reply, I figured that was what you were referring to. My knowledge on the subject is limited to the testing we have done and the results we see on targets both paper (50yards) and steel at distance. The basis of that design while attempting to fix one problem may create another namely the design would indicate the actual chamber and engraving are not as important for accuracy, what are your thoughts on that?Sure.
Up until the RimX design was released, your traditional 22LR rifles used extractors with timed extractor grooves cut into the barrel tenon. Also, chambers were cut and headspace was set based off the match ammo you planned to shoot. This is because Eley for example to explain, required less headspace than say Lapua. So if you cut an Lapua based chamber (0.041 - 0.43") and shot Eley for example, you risk the round moving forward under ignition when struck because by the firing pin with it being shorter because nothing in a traditional 22LR captured and held the case against the bolt face. In turn, this results in inconsistent ignition which in turn affects accuracy.. This is pretty standard common knowledge stuff for your knowledgeable 22LR smiths.
This is how most of us built custom high end match 22LR up until the RimX dropped. I was one of the first to receive a RimX from Zermatt before its release for testing and review. When Zermatt was explaining to me their new design and how it works and how to cut barrels, it was different than what we all knew and was hard to believe because what we all knew about making a high end accurate 22LR up until this point. When talking with Ray in those early days, he was telling me this action you don't set headspace based off ammo, there is no need and they have a recommended headspace which is much larger than what we all knew for say Eley and Lapua ammo...
He explained why.. because the RimX, by design, used a tensioner which captures the 22LR round out of the mag and holds it against the bolt face at all times. Because of this, you have consistent ignition on every case because the case cannot move. Because of this, headspace wasn't as important.
Once I got the first barrel cut and installed on the test action and got some rounds down it, I realized what Zermatt was saying. Here we are just over 4 years later and I think the RimX performance speaks for itself. I dont know of any other 22LR designed or operating like a RimX which is why I stand by my comments that its a revolutionary design. Barrels can be made cheaper and faster. No more painstaking work of meticulously timing and cutting extractor grooves into barrel tenons so they line up perfectly when the barrel it torqued on... No more cutting headspace to match the ammo the shooter plans to use for optimal accuracy.
With this design, someone can buy a RimX, pick up one of many high end match grade prefit barrels from various sources instantly and be shooting an extremely capable and accurate rifle the next day with various types of high end match grade ammo. The average shooter couldn't do this before, and not without a long wait time on a custom 22LR smith and a lot of money.
Thats my $0.02 on the RimX and I hope that answers your question.
Thanks for the in depth reply, I figured that was what you were referring to. My knowledge on the subject is limited to the testing we have done and the results we see on targets both paper (50yards) and steel at distance. The basis of that design while attempting to fix one problem may create another namely the design would indicate the actual chamber and engraving are not as important for accuracy, what are your thoughts on that?
You won’t be disappointed. Had my ACE 1.2 for about two weeks and it has been a hammer so far.Well after taking a few days to read through this entire thread I ordered one of the ace m24 barrels off of Manzella. I have most of the rest ready to go. Just need an action which several people seem to have in stock.
You won’t be disappointed. Had my ACE 1.2 for about two weeks and it has been a hammer so far.
Im still of the opinion this is a fix for a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. Hes correct in what he said in the video, this extractor bolt mod is a fix for those that aren't properly adjusting mags.
If the barrel and chamber are cut properly and the mag is adjusted right, you shouldn't have any issues of getting cases in front of the extractor that need to be picked out with a knife or knocked out with a cleaning rod...
I dont have this issue in 10's of thousands of rounds on my XLR Envy chassis and properly adjusted mags. The only time I had issues with feeding was when I added the mag extensions on my original RimX mags. They came right off and never had a problem again.
Just for clarification....I do not own a Rem-X and have never even shot one. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just sharing a video I ran across.Im still of the opinion this is a fix for a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. Hes correct in what he said in the video, this extractor bolt mod is a fix for those that aren't properly adjusting mags.
If the barrel and chamber are cut properly and the mag is adjusted right, you shouldn't have any issues of getting cases in front of the extractor that need to be picked out with a knife or knocked out with a cleaning rod...
I dont have this issue in 10's of thousands of rounds on my XLR Envy chassis and properly adjusted mags. The only time I had issues with feeding was when I added the mag extensions on my original RimX mags. They came right off and never had a problem again.
I’m pretty sure a high percentage of people who find it an issue don’t actually own one and “read on the internet..”18,000 rounds and change (into my 4th case) 3 cartridge's in front of the bolt. Operator error each time. If your bolt moves forward for any reason never pull back. All you have to do. If somehow or another you cannot come to grips with that sell it.
I have two (#2 has 2500 rounds) they function & feed flawlessly. The TS Customs spun up 5 groove Bartliens not picky about ammo and will run with anything out there. Good Shooting see you at the range
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First big range day with my new rimx. Put 500 rounds of SK rifle match through it. Big change from my centerfires. Was a lot of fun and shocking how much wind messed with the bullets even at 50 yards.
Shot paper mostly at 50 and 5-6 groups at 100. Then shot rocks on the 300 and 400 yard berms. 300 was decently consistent but 400 was a joke with around 1 mil of elevation variation.
Wind was swirling and switching left to right. The range has a giant horse shoe berm around the entire 100 yard range.
Doesn’t look like this ammo will be a winner but it was good practice and fun.
I had 5-6 times that the ammo got in front of the extractor and had to be picked out with a knife. From reading it sounds like that’s common and should be fixed with mag adjustment.
Bigger groups were 100 yards smaller 50. And the shotgun pattern was my son shooting the target. All groups are 10 rounds
I believe it was a material change. No design difference.Maybe I didn’t word it properly. I never closed the bolt on rounds that didn’t feed properly. When I felt the resistance to closing the bolt I stopped each time. Extractor still looks good.
I was told from the gentleman I bought the action from that it was the old style extractor and there is a new style I could buy. Is the new style to help fix this or just a durability fix?
You're moving the bolt forward and then pulling back, doesn't take much. Next trip out to the range make it happen a couple of times then school yourself on what not to do.Maybe I didn’t word it properly. I never closed the bolt on rounds that didn’t feed properly. When I felt the resistance to closing the bolt I stopped each time. Extractor still looks good.
I was told from the gentleman I bought the action from that it was the old style extractor and there is a new style I could buy. Is the new style to help fix this or just a durability fix?
Zermatt recommends no more than 1/16” of vertical play on the mag.I went out again today and was very focused on fully retracting the bolt and pushing forward without coming back again. Had about the same amount of rounds getting in front of the extractor.
I couldn’t find any links on how the mag should be properly adjusted, can anyone shed some light or do I just keep playing with the mag height until it improves?
I also went ahead and ordered new extractor and bolt parts kit from zermatt and will keep the current parts for spares.
As far as rimx vs Vudoo. I went rimx for the prefits, not having to ship my rifle out for a new barrel is really nice. I have sold off all but 1 of my rifles that would not accept prefits and that last rifle will likely be sold as well. Just because it takes prefits doesn’t mean you can’t have a custom barrel spun up if you wanted too.
A side benefit I found is it’s really nice not having to clean the extractor groove in the barrel like my cz457, I imagine is similar on the Vudoo.
I have mine with very little if any vertical play but still allow the mag to drop when pushing the mag catch. If it’s too high up the mag catch has a hard time of letting go. You’ll see what I mean and will get a feel for it.Perfect, I will tighten it up more and replace the bolt parts and go from there.
I bought one of those last 3 also. You won’t be disappointed.I still have a few good shooting barrels and have parted with a couple. I wasn't looking for another, but after reaading the comments on Mike's skill and the success of ACE barrels, decided to spring for this one. Mike was great to talk with and is already cutting and crowning "my" barrell. Thanks for the heads up Padom. I've tried 5 or 6 different chambers and looking forward to shooting yours.
Still patiently waiting on my barrel to arrive. Mike shipped it quickly but UPS decided it should take a tour of the county. It sat in Billings for a few days and then when it finally got to Pennsylvania (Where I live) they sent it to Massachusetts and New York and back on a little vacation. Well now it’s back to my local hub and I should see it tomorrow.
LOL. I can beat that. UPS took 3 weeks to deliver mine.Still patiently waiting on my barrel to arrive. Mike shipped it quickly but UPS decided it should take a tour of the county. It sat in Billings for a few days and then when it finally got to Pennsylvania (Where I live) they sent it to Massachusetts and New York and back on a little vacation. Well now it’s back to my local hub and I should see it tomorrow.
They did the same to me; sat in billings for a day before going to richmond, va and then back to missouri over the course of 12 days.Still patiently waiting on my barrel to arrive. Mike shipped it quickly but UPS decided it should take a tour of the county. It sat in Billings for a few days and then when it finally got to Pennsylvania (Where I live) they sent it to Massachusetts and New York and back on a little vacation. Well now it’s back to my local hub and I should see it tomorrow.
AP brush wrapped in a rag, q tips, dental picks etc. just depends on which area of the action your trying to clean.I can get an action cleaning tool into the action until just before the ejector but that only gets the action partially clean. What are folks using / how are ppl cleaning the inside of their RimX actions while still on the chassis?