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Why AI?
- Thread starter Hecouldgoalltheway
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Mine was between 15-20k rounds easily when I quit shooting it in matches
I know of another AW in south tx that was probably in the 30-40k range
My 2 impacts both had like 5k and 8-10k on them when I pretty much quit shooting matches and the only failures/hangups with them was triggers…1 BnA and 1 TT diamond iirc
The majority of all those rounds where under match conditions also, not on casual range under ideal conditions
Right. My point is it’s competitive shooters putting 10k+ rounds down range per year. Not military etc. So if guys are putting that many rounds down range a year thru a custom action it should speak to the fact that they’re just as reliable as an AI. If top guys truly thought an AI would give them an advantage they’d be shooting that. I understand sponsorship as much as anyone, but top guys won’t risk being at a disadvantage for anything. Maybe a mid pack sponsored shooter or some other guy. Would Morgun King shoot an AI if they gave him a free rifle vs a free lone peak? No. Would morgun shoot an impact over a lone peak? At that point I think it comes down to relationships, preference etc. Cause LP and impact are so close it wouldn’t make a difference. Point being he and others aren’t shooting AI’s because they don’t provide some sort of advantage over a custom anymore.
And to anyone that says top guys don’t shoot AI’s cause they don’t give away free rifles, you’re right they don’t except prize table circumstances. But that’s a bullshit logic. Tangent doesn’t sponsor and shooters and yet they were the #2 most popular scope among the top shooters. Those guys had to buy their scopes. They do so because obviously they feel shooting a Tangent gives them the advantage they want/require to compete.
I like shooting my AI, but I’m not gonna fool myself into thinking it gives me an advantage over my CDG or something else.
I forgot that the last week of July is “Primary Purpose Military Rifle vs Primary Purpose Competition Rifle Context Arguments” on The Hide.
I shall add it to my calendar for next year so I do not forget.
-Stan
I shall add it to my calendar for next year so I do not forget.
-Stan
my AT woulda given me an advantage the 2x my triggers went down lol
But that wasn’t my point, I was just giving known round counts
I think any of the top shooters now could put an AI on the podium if they shot one…I did it with an AI and customs, they could too. But it’s just a preference
But that wasn’t my point, I was just giving known round counts
I think any of the top shooters now could put an AI on the podium if they shot one…I did it with an AI and customs, they could too. But it’s just a preference
Until you’re the guy that has an AI trigger go down (happened to me at a 2 day match in AZ). It’s all the same, a Diamond can go down and so can an AI trigger. Sure a top guy probably could make an AI work if they really wanted too but the fact that no one does should speak volumes.
The Oklahoma guys felt the Tangent gives them enough of an advantage that they designed their own reticle and bought a shit ton of them to get it done. That’s making something work because you believe in it.
Other than wx, and blowing dust/sand in some areas, are PRS matches really a standard for hardship for rifles anymore?
IMHO in the early years of PRS and especially before, I think they got knocked around pretty good. But barricade benchrest?
My rifles and scopes would come back with scars when I shot at RO back when you had to do things like sling it and crawl through concrete pipes. Or banging the gun around a little on grind it out type stages, or climbing obstacles. I remember laying in 6” of water in a MO match in pouring rain. And getting banged up pretty good sliding down rocks in NM. And gumbo in everything in TX at Elpers place. But when game changers and tripods came along, and the matches turned into low movement, high round count, homogenized cof to efficiently move 200+ shooters instead of 80…it seems less than the crucible it once was.
ETA I didn’t mean to come off so uphill in the snow both ways…. I just don’t think x,000 rounds in matches is “hard use” or an indicator of durability anymore.
IMHO in the early years of PRS and especially before, I think they got knocked around pretty good. But barricade benchrest?
My rifles and scopes would come back with scars when I shot at RO back when you had to do things like sling it and crawl through concrete pipes. Or banging the gun around a little on grind it out type stages, or climbing obstacles. I remember laying in 6” of water in a MO match in pouring rain. And getting banged up pretty good sliding down rocks in NM. And gumbo in everything in TX at Elpers place. But when game changers and tripods came along, and the matches turned into low movement, high round count, homogenized cof to efficiently move 200+ shooters instead of 80…it seems less than the crucible it once was.
ETA I didn’t mean to come off so uphill in the snow both ways…. I just don’t think x,000 rounds in matches is “hard use” or an indicator of durability anymore.
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I think your example speaks more to the durability of the weapon system and by that I mean scope, mount, etc. Crawling through pipes won’t really tell me how durable a firing pin or spring or trigger is vs if I bang said rifle in the pipe the scope might lose zero or suppressor might be affected. Might also test what’s stronger or more resistant to abrasions an aluminum chassis or a composite stock like a manners, etc. If I bang the barrel it might tell me if the quick change system on my AI is at sturdy as a barrel torqued to 100ft/lbs with regards to a zero shift.
Putting 10k rounds through a rifle without replacing or breaking a firing pin, spring, ejector, etc. Is durability being shown in its own right.
I was looking at them today on europtic. Honestly, the factory chamberings and barrel length configurations available leave a bit to be desired. I realize the barrel availability is one of the things that make them so cool, but paying $5k+ for a 20" 308 or a 26" 6.5cm excites me like a general hospital marathon.
Reliable means different things to different people.
I'd love to see any custom build survive the testing that AIs are put through. People forget about that fact. Your AI will work the same way in any weather or environment.
When a custom builder can prove their product is as robust using data collected over large sample populations, I will agree. It will never happen for many reasons.
I shoot AIs because they are consistently accurate regardless of the environment.
Well that's no surprise that trigger is garbage lol
Hey guys, help me out here please.
What's the post '14 deal?
Why am I to avoid pre-2014 rifles? What else do I avoid? What's do you get for almost double the money between the two models they make? (I realize they make more than 2, but you know what I mean).
What's the post '14 deal?
Why am I to avoid pre-2014 rifles? What else do I avoid? What's do you get for almost double the money between the two models they make? (I realize they make more than 2, but you know what I mean).
I don't disagree with this.
AIs are built to withstand extreme environments with little extra care. There are many little nuances to AI design that makes them great military rifles. Kind of like KAC.
I certainly wouldn't fault someone for buying an AI, for these reasons or others.
At the end of the day, buy what you want. If you want an AI because of its military pedigree, you don't have to justify that to anyone. They are great rifles.
Lfp vs sfp, handguard is different.... No QC barrels
Sounds like someone needs to put together a SH Argument Calendar. It can join MIL vs MOA February.
As mentioned the 2014+ models are QC barrel. The 2015 models introduced the small firing pin. Which is preferred for 6.5/6 mm cartridges.
I wouldn’t buy a AI new. I don’t think they’re worth the $6500 or $10,000 + price tag in todays market
But used market they’re decent.
Firearms - 2014 AI AT
This sucks, but this needs a new home. 2014 AI AT folder, thumbhole conversion installed, 308 with a 20” threaded Bartlein (unsure of round count but it’s a hammer with FGMM) Has an AO thumb rest installed, as well as the Sawtooth Arca Rail. Rifle has been rattlecan painted by yours truly...
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One hell of a deal. If i would live in the united states this would be mine already....
Yeah that’s my rifle and it needs a home. Divorce sucks.Firearms - 2014 AI AT
This sucks, but this needs a new home. 2014 AI AT folder, thumbhole conversion installed, 308 with a 20” threaded Bartlein (unsure of round count but it’s a hammer with FGMM) Has an AO thumb rest installed, as well as the Sawtooth Arca Rail. Rifle has been rattlecan painted by yours truly...
One hell of a deal. If i would live in the united states this would be mine already....
They're all fine. But, they changed the barrel profile post 2014 from a "lighter" (mind you, it is still quite a heavy contour) 1:12 twist 4R barrel made by Lothar Walther, and switched to a 1:10 twist 5R barrel with an even heavier contour made by Bartlein/Wintac. Mind you, this is for .308.
The newer barrels perform incredibly well and are more agreeable to modern ballistics and modern rounds. You can always get a new barrel, so I suggest getting what you want and what is within your budget, then getting a barrel you want down the road. Else, just buy with the barrel you want in the first place, and send it. Honestly, you can't go wrong and there's no rifle that is "flawed" that needs to be avoided... except the AW50. I won't go near that thing after reading how it was designed.
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Post 2014.......The large firing pin worked fine for most factory ammunition. Handholds typically are "over-pressure" cratered and pierced primers (which damage bolt faces) forced the move to a smaller diameter firing pin.
Why AI?
I just read the post stating that I made a challenge to drop an AI off a two story building.
I would like to make it clear that I never made such a challenge or anything like that.
If there is a post I made which remotely relates to that claim then show it.
Tom Irwin
That's a relief to hear since it was a puzzling concept to begin with. Another person made that claim earlier in this thread so I (and others) were just responding to him. His post is the one below. Environmental stuff makes perfect sense, less so with two story drops.
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Out of the box comp trigger. Never touched it.
I could of swore it was you, but I must be wrong. It's been 4-6yrs ago(maybe longer ago, time flies) I do remember it was a big AI proponent from the old hide days. It was a mic drop moment. I mis-spoke and my apologies to Tom and everyone one else.
Ouch. I had one for an AT, it was way too light for what I wanted so went back to factory AT and tweaked it a bit.
Funny enough the AI Competition Trigger is one of the few rare parts left today that AI does not make themselves, but it is subcontracted from another company that specializes in competition triggers: XTSP Rugged Precision. So all said -- and with consideration of the ASR competition with their trigger failing -- I sincerely and genuinely hope that some day, AI puts out their own competition trigger, made in house, for all their rifle models from the AW onward.
My og adjusted triggers are perfect and have yet to let me down
Bro... We all know who it is acting like you are teaching us stuff lol
Xtreme shooting
Since the part isn't made by AI... its relevant to the discussion about what parts fail. Then again... probably better for the AI photo thread discussing this. That said, OP wouldn't know this and its important to say out loud for anyone else who 1) doesn't know 2) doesn't know about their history of failures and 3) anyone who comes across this thread in the future wanting to know about this.
Try not to take it personally @Huskydriver
Bit of devil’s advocate…What does it matter if it’s not AI-produced? It’s packaged in the final product AI sells and it’s failed.
And let's not forget - AI produced parts fail as well.
I've seen AI's go down in matches about as much as any other rifle.
I'm not its been discussed here in multiple threads ad nauseum... Including the ai reps for years.. ..
Trying to get you to save your energy....Your acting like you telling people something new. We know....
Ah shit here we go again lol... Well apparently according to @HKSniper11B .... The Irish have ais have never had to replace a part in 35 years so no they don't fail @kthomas
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