Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

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Was going to the range this morning and remembered that you don’t need an optic for break in and some speed data gathering.

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How are folks faring with the BnA triggers? I recall ARC has said the pivoting handle isn't the way to go, but I thought folks had success? Specifically two-stage of interest to me is two-stage folks.
 
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TheOE800 said:
How are folks faring with the BnA triggers? I recall ARC has said the pivoting handle isn't the way to go, but I thought folks had success? Specifically two-stage of interest to me is two-stage folks.
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Not sure if BnA triggers change anything but MPA's CDG based builds come with the fixed handle and they specifically say the pivoting one doesn't handle triggers below 1 pound as well.
 
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TheOE800 said:
How are folks faring with the BnA triggers? I recall ARC has said the pivoting handle isn't the way to go, but I thought folks had success? Specifically two-stage of interest to me is two-stage folks.
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from what I've read, it's a shot in the dark as to whether it'll work perfectly as described or not with the two stage or if you'll have to be gentle with the bolt close.
or you could just order a separate fixed handle to be on the safe side.
I don't think it's about how low you go, but which model you pick. if the trigger advertises a below 1lb pull weight it may not be plug and play.
 
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NateVA said:
Not sure if BnA triggers change anything but MPA's CDG based builds come with the fixed handle and they specifically say the pivoting one doesn't handle triggers below 1 pound as well.
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Not going that low.
Cody S said:
from what I've read, it's a shot in the dark as to whether it'll work perfectly as described or not with the two stage or if you'll have to be gentle with the bolt close.
or you could just order a separate fixed handle to be on the safe side.
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Kinda defeats the purpose of getting all that extra extraction as a feature though?
 
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The Knuckle said:
I thought it was regarding trigger tech diamond trigger specifically in a light setting
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someone at arc basically explained it to me as a trigger capable of being set below 1lb was likely to be problematic regardless of what you actually had it set to, but the interwebs people seem to say the two stage get by with it sometimes.
 
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TheOE800 said:
How are folks faring with the BnA triggers? I recall ARC has said the pivoting handle isn't the way to go, but I thought folks had success? Specifically two-stage of interest to me is two-stage folks.
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I've put over 15k rounds on BnA tacsports set at 1# on a couple of Archimedes and about 1k through another on my CDG with the pivoting bolt handle haven't had a single issue with any of them. As far as the trigger is concerned a CDG with the pivoting bolt handle behaves the same as an Archimedes as neither has an extraction cam to take the initial impact and slow the bolt forward velocity down when closing it.

Can't comment on how they behave if set lighter, but the lighter and less sear engagement the greater the chance of an issue with the pivoting bolt handle.

Also, shouldn't matter if the bix is single stage or 2 stage as the Bix is not a true 2 stage trigger with extra sear engagement that is reduced in the first stage travel. The first stage on a 2 stage bix is simply spring tension controlling the rotation of the trigger shoe until it contacts the lower sear lever, the sear engagement of the 2 stage Bix is constant just like the single stage version.

Another way to help avoid issues with light triggers and the pivoting bolt handle is to adjust the trigger hanger to have about 0.010" of decocking on close. This way when you close the bolt the case will stop the forward motion of the bolt rather than the cocking piece slamming into the trigger sear. When set up for a bit of decocking on close the cocking piece stays on the cocking cams and will then contact the trigger sear much more gently as you're rotating the bolt closed and the cocking piece rides down the cocking cams. Setting the action up for decocking on close will give up a little bit of firing pin energy, but 0.010" less fall is negligible and should not cause light strikes or anything like that.
 
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What sort of kills me is that a lot of that information came out after the early adopters…

So a few of us had to do a lot of experimentation to actually get triggers to work well with the action… it is clear that many triggers don’t like the trigger hanger.

I’ve been able to get a trigger tech to work without any modification, but pretty much every other Remington 700 trigger I’ve tried to requires modifying the trigger hanger.
 
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GBMaryland said:
What sort of kills me is that a lot of that information came out after the early adopters…

So a few of us had to do a lot of experimentation to actually get triggers to work well with the action… it is clear that many triggers don’t like the trigger hanger.

I’ve been able to get a trigger tech to work without any modification, but pretty much every other Remington seven trigger I’ve tried to requires modifying the trigger hanger.
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My Huber two stage didn’t. Easy peasy.

Edit to add: the information regarding light triggers was on their website since the very early adopter stage. I bought mine on day two or three after pre-sales were opened and this info was out there. Too many people did not take the time to read the details on the ARC CDG pages. This is still true today.

People in general seem to prefer getting all their information on forums instead of actually researching or even reading the manufacturer’s pages. Evidence of that is in how many times I and others have had to post screenshots from the ARC website, just in this thread alone, in order to answer questions that could be answered there.
 
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I have a Huber as well.

I also have Timney triggers, Bix and Andy, trigger Tech, And one or two others that I don’t remember where they came from.

Plenty of drama, having them modify the trigger hanger.
 
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GBMaryland said:
What sort of kills me is that a lot of that information came out after the early adopters…

So a few of us had to do a lot of experimentation to actually get triggers to work well with the action… it is clear that many triggers don’t like the trigger hanger.

I’ve been able to get a trigger tech to work without any modification, but pretty much every other Remington seven trigger I’ve tried to requires modifying the trigger hanger.
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There IS a revised hanger. Revisions like that are typical for ARC…
 
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Cody S said:
when you're first in line, there usually are revisions.
that's still a lot of action on paper for the 900$ that I paid. Will pick mine up today and bolt her in my stonk. I can finesse her if I need to but not going to have it trued up this time.
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This kind of stonk?
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Jk I know it was a typo.
 
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Cody S said:
when you're first in line, there usually are revisions.
that's still a lot of action on paper for the 900$ that I paid. Will pick mine up today and bolt her in my stonk. I can finesse her if I need to but not going to have it trued up this time.
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It's not a huge issue... and the action is wonderful.

Just note that you may need to modify the hanger!
 
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GBMaryland said:
I’ve been able to get a trigger tech to work without any modification, but pretty much every other Remington 700 trigger I’ve tried to requires modifying the trigger hanger.
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TheOE800 said:
There IS a revised hanger. Revisions like that are typical for ARC…
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@TheOE800 - really? It doesn't show on their website as far as I can see. This is the results of a search on "trigger hanger"

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Where did you get this info come from, please?

After having to grind on my hanger (for Timney 2 stage light) I wrote to them and suggested that they just extend/deepen the notch a bit so people who don't use TTs (which is the only trigger that ARC sells) don't have to go thru this.

Direct quote from their reply at the end of Jun: "Hello Stephen, revised trigger hangers are being made now to accommodate a wider range of triggers and will be available in the next couple months."

But as I said...I don't see any hangers for sale as a piece part on their site at the moment which is strange as the advantage of the hanger is quick trigger change if needed...so, kind of think they would sell them (and perhaps a call to them to order one will work..dunno)
 
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GBMaryland said:
Actually, the revised one doesn't work universally either. Still find myself having to dremel them...
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Yeah...so, I think mine had the first revision of the hanger and yeah, we still had to grind.

Remember the un-anodized one you gave me...and they were OG revision and were made to take the pointy pins (did I give those back to you...I don't have them anymore...maybe trash canned them as they weren't applicable any longer).

Then the next rev was the one I have (and probably you too) that took the blunt pins but the notch still needed to be ground out to accommodate pretty much anything other than TT.

So, their comms to me at the end of Jun seems to indicate that there will be another revision to the hanger to extend/deepen the notch and perhaps that's what is shipping with new actions.

Cheers
 
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GBMaryland said:
Actually, the revised one doesn't work universally either. Still find myself having to dremel them...
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Depends on what revision you have. They are, will or already have revised the revised so we might be on rev B or C. I didn't want to wait for one to clear my Timney so I dremeled it myself and covered it up with black permanent marker. ;-)
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AznTactical said:
Depends on what revision you have. They are, will or already have revised the revised so we might be on rev B or C. I didn't want to wait for one to clear my Timney so I dremeled it myself and covered it up with black permanent marker. ;-) View attachment 8475598
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when was this? Will my action that got completed last week have this revision?
if trigger hangers is all they've had to modify that's a success.
 
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Cody S said:
when was this? Will my action that got completed last week have this revision?
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Early June. I am unsure what rev you'll get. This revision is for Timney's, therefore even more material is removed. If you don't have a Timney I'd try to get the OG or 1st revision. Disclaimer, I don't know at which point too much material removed compromises the integrity of the hanger.
 
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There are 3 versions of the trigger hangers as far as I know, and some of the latest emails hint a 4th version with extra safety lever clearance may be coming.

1. Initial version with pointed pins to retain the trigger and hanger in the action, and no safety lever clearance notches. May need work to fit certain triggers.

2. Revised version of #1, still with pointy pins to retain the trigger and hanger in the action but with added clearance notches for more brands of triggers with oversize safety levers

3. Update of both trigger hanger and cuts in the action omitting the pointy pins entirely and instead using flush trigger pins and 4x tabs machined onto on the hanger to locate the hanger into the matching cuts on the action. Like #2 this version also has the added safety lever clearance cuts standard and is the most current version.

I've heard ARC will modify first run "pointy pin" actions for the revised/latest tabbed trigger hanger if you send them in.

Ted mentioned a while ago that with every trigger manufacturer doing their own thing when it comes to external linkage and safety lever configuration some brands of triggers may need a little grinding on the hangers to fit. I've had to grind hangers on other actions before to fit certain triggers, not a big deal IMO.

Another thing to watch for, certain triggers with oversize safety lever knobs like Bix and Andy can hit the action and prevent the safety from fully disengaging which can cause a no fire, no reset, or sear drag/light strike. I've had to grind the front of the oversize safety knob on all my Bix triggers down to make sure the safety can go to the fully forward "fire" position. On a trigger that uses a knob the same width as the safety lever (like a stock Remington trigger) this isn't an issue.

The root issue is there is no hard configuration or dimensional standard / interface control document that all these manufacturers of actions and triggers adhere to, so certain part combinations need some extra massaging. "R700 compatible" is honestly a pretty loose design criteria to follow resulting in most part combinations usually, but not always, working together.

Personally, I'd prefer an unclearanced trigger hanger so I only have to remove enough material to clear my specific trigger instead of receiving a trigger hanger that's been whittled down to nothing to clear all 50 brands of triggers out there, but I understand some people prefer "drop in and go" to a little hand work.
 
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Kiba said:
There are 3 versions of the trigger hangers as far as I know, and some of the latest emails hint a 4th version with extra safety lever clearance may be coming.

1. Initial version with pointed pins to retain the trigger and hanger in the action, and no safety lever clearance notches. May need work to fit certain triggers.

2. Revised version of #1, still with pointy pins to retain the trigger and hanger in the action but with added clearance notches for more brands of triggers with oversize safety levers

3. Update of both trigger hanger and cuts in the action omitting the pointy pins entirely and instead using flush trigger pins and 4x tabs machined onto on the hanger to locate the hanger into the matching cuts on the action. Like #2 this version also has the added safety lever clearance cuts standard and is the most current version.

I've heard ARC will modify first run "pointy pin" actions for the revised/latest tabbed trigger hanger if you send them in.

Ted mentioned a while ago that with every trigger manufacturer doing their own thing when it comes to external linkage and safety lever configuration some brands of triggers may need a little grinding on the hangers to fit. I've had to grind hangers on other actions before to fit certain triggers, not a big deal IMO.

Another thing to watch for, certain triggers with oversize safety lever knobs like Bix and Andy can hit the action and prevent the safety from fully disengaging which can cause a no fire, no reset, or sear drag/light strike. I've had to grind the front of the oversize safety knob on all my Bix triggers down to make sure the safety can go to the fully forward "fire" position. On a trigger that uses a knob the same width as the safety lever (like a stock Remington trigger) this isn't an issue.

The root issue is there is no hard configuration or dimensional standard / interface control document that all these manufacturers of actions and triggers adhere to, so certain part combinations need some extra massaging. "R700 compatible" is honestly a pretty loose design criteria to follow resulting in most part combinations usually, but but always, working together.
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^^^What he said.

Actions have been shipping with version number three for at least the last year plus. At least mine has that version. And mine, as previously mentioned, was ordered first week they were offered.
 
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AznTactical said:
Early June. I am unsure what rev you'll get. This revision is for Timney's, therefore even more material is removed. If you don't have a Timney I'd try to get the OG or 1st revision. Disclaimer, I don't know at which point too much material removed compromises the integrity of the hanger.
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It doesn't take very much material removal to accommodate Timney or BnA (per my friend @GBMaryland ). I think concern about structural integrity is a non-issue.
 
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lash said:
^^^What he said.

Actions have been shipping with version number three for at least the last year plus. At least mine has that version. And mine, as previously mentioned, was ordered first week they were offered.
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Yeah, I have version 3 per the numbering of @Kiba 's post.

And yes, they have said to me and to @AznTactical that they are modifying the notch to accomodate more triggers...but as those of use who have filed/dremel'd their hangers seem to know....it don't take being "been whittled down to nothing". I sort of think that's an exaggeration.

And yes, I do now remember people having to take a bit off of the "knob" on the safety of their BnA triggers to get enough clearance.

While filing my hanger was not one of my fav things to do, it really wasn't a big deal and I'm death on stuff with hand tools. If I can do it, pretty much anybody can. Just do a little at a time.

Have a great day, guys.
 
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Baron23 said:
it don't take being "been whittled down to nothing". I sort of think that's an exaggeration.
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It was more "copious amounts of hyperbole" than simple exaggeration, thank you very much. ;)

Still, I'd prefer to receive a blank trigger hanger with all the material present and remove only enough material for my chosen trigger rather than receive a hanger with excess material removed to fit multiple brands of triggers... but I understand I am probably in the minority on that and most people want the pre-clearanced hangers so they don't have to do any filing or grinding.

Being that a trigger hanger is a deviation from the conventional R700 design, it's likely to introduce some fitment issues with certain combinations of parts.

I'm still rolling with my initial pointy pin trigger hanger design CDG with some home clearancing on the hanger for the safety lever. I've thought about sending the action in to be recut for the newer revision tabbed trigger hanger, but since everything works great I haven't bothered to do so.
 
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lash said:
Yours must have been an early one. I called up Bugholes, discussed what I wanted, offered to send in my LA but they said not needed. Got it 8 weeks later. Does shoot Bugholes.
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To clarify: Mine was done at Lebanon Gun Shop, it was the first one they had seen. It was an early action, a day one order.

Would trust Bugholes or Lebanon Gun shop both to deliver top quality work. Not sure where Mattv931 is located in TN but these are 2 good options if he wants to keep it in state.
 
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AllenOne1 said:
To clarify: Mine was done at Lebanon Gun Shop, it was the first one they had seen. It was an early action, a day one order.

Would trust Bugholes or Lebanon Gun shop both to deliver top quality work. Not sure where Mattv931 is located in TN but these are 2 good options if he wants to keep it in state.
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I'm about 2 hours west of bungholes, I think he's in Cookeville, I'm right beside Clarksville tn. I do appreciate the info amigo!
 
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Mattv931 said:
I'm about 2 hours west of bungholes, I think he's in Cookeville, I'm right beside Clarksville tn. I do appreciate the info amigo!
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Hahaha! I’m sure that it was an autocorrect issue, but “bungholes”. 😄
Not sure how much Greg or Russ would appreciate that, but I do think they have a sense of humor.

Anyway, my post was also a clarification for anyone looking for a shouldered prefit for their CDG action. Southern Precision, or bungholes if you will, has it dialed in. Just order and wait for it to show up. Spin it on and go shooting.
 
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lash said:
Hahaha! I’m sure that it was an autocorrect issue, but “bungholes”. 😄
Not sure how much Greg or Russ would appreciate that, but I do think they have a sense of humor.

Anyway, my post was also a clarification for anyone looking for a shouldered prefit for their CDG action. Southern Precision, or bungholes if you will, has it dialed in. Just order and wait for it to show up. Spin it on and go shooting.
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Whats wrong with a bunghole? It's just the hole on a cask. Depends on if the like the drinks that spend time in casks.
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Hahaha! I’m sure that it was an autocorrect issue, but “bungholes”. 😄
Not sure how much Greg or Russ would appreciate that, but I do think they have a sense of humor.

Anyway, my post was also a clarification for anyone looking for a shouldered prefit for their CDG action. Southern Precision, or bungholes if you will, has it dialed in. Just order and wait for it to show up. Spin it on and go shooting.
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😆 🤣 😂 I'm leaving it!! That's the best f*** up I'll have today!
 
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