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Et tu, Brute?

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The thin blue line seems to be getting thinner. Wyoming of all places? Maybe I’m black pilled but my view of law enforcement consists of morally upright individuals upholding morally sensible laws. I’ve always thought immorality among law enforcement was reprehensible, but I’m also aware of how tough the job is. And I still believe in law and order. Tough line to walk, hence the thin blue line. But this, among other things we’ve seen lately, calls my view into question. For reference about other corrupt or otherwise stupid laws that shouldn’t be and aren’t enforced, check out this list.


Especially look at New York.
 
Hi,

But trespassing is trespassing right??

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If someone refused to leave your property after being fined for trespassing; the next step is for them to be arrested for said trespassing.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Hi,

But trespassing is trespassing right??

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If someone refused to leave your property after being fined for trespassing; the next step is for them to be arrested for said trespassing.

Sincerely,
Theis
I understand that. But look at the circumstances that made her a “trespasser.” The point of adding the link to stupid laws illustrates that, apparently, LE isn’t obliged to enforce laws that aren’t deemed appropriate. In this instance, a trespassing charge seems wholly inappropriate.
 
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Hi,

But trespassing is trespassing right??


If someone refused to leave your property after being fined for trespassing; the next step is for them to be arrested for said trespassing.

Sincerely,
Theis

Just a question to provoke thought... Does a PUBLIC school hold the same legal rights as a PRIVATE business in this regard? It's paid for with 100% public funds.

I respect a private business's ability to require whatever of their business... but a public building/entity... my opinion changes on stuff like "trespassing".
 
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Hi,

But trespassing is trespassing right??

View attachment 7720833

If someone refused to leave your property after being fined for trespassing; the next step is for them to be arrested for said trespassing.

Sincerely,
Theis
Correct.

The real problem is that people who enforce the trespassing law against one person on one day do not enforce arson and looting laws against other persons on other days because that does not fit the agenda of their leaders.

Tyranny thrives not only by enforcing unjust laws but also, and probably more effectively, by enforcing valid laws unevenly.
 
I understand that. But look at the circumstances that made her a “trespasser.” The point of adding the link to stupid laws illustrates that, apparently, LE isn’t obliged to enforce laws that aren’t deemed appropriate. In this instance, a trespassing charge seems wholly inappropriate.

Police have discretion in most cases. Discretion doesn't mean you get a pass whenever you want.

Refuse to leave after trespass = arrest in every jurisdiction I'm aware of.

Please explain to me again why you think she did not deserve to be arrested? Do you think that trespass should not be an arrestable offense? If so, what's your address?
 
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Just a question to provoke thought... Does a PUBLIC school hold the same legal rights as a PRIVATE business in this regard? It's paid for with 100% public funds.

I respect a private business's ability to require whatever of their business... but a public building/entity... my opinion changes on stuff like "trespassing".

That's a question to be settled by the legislature, or maybe the courts. Not by beat cops and shithouse lawyers.
 
Let’s take your public building trespassing idea further, so now sex offenders can hang out at public schools, you can move into any public building, yes mask mandates are stupid, she was warned, police followed through. As far as equal enforcement l have not seen allot about riots in WY
 
It is always important to remember, Hitler did not fire every cop in Germany, he simply changed the laws and every cop gladly rounded up Jews and cripples and gypsies and led them to the gas chamber.

Stalin, Mao, Biden, Castro did the same thing. Never doubt for an instant the "thin blue line" will come for you and treat you like they treat everyone else. They are a tool of the oppressor and they will do it gladly when the time comes. Support them while they protect you from criminals but always remember, you are one stroke of a pen from their wrath.
 
Meh not surprised. This is Laramie wy were talking about. One hour north of Fort collins basically means they'll be the next Boulder in 10 years.

Ginger bitch better have rich parents with a good lawer, otherwise she'll be made an example of.
 
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Just a question to provoke thought... Does a PUBLIC school hold the same legal rights as a PRIVATE business in this regard? It's paid for with 100% public funds.

I respect a private business's ability to require whatever of their business... but a public building/entity... my opinion changes on stuff like "trespassing".

Hi,

Publicly funded does not equate to free range public utilization.

I cannot hold a business meeting in the Oval Office even though the WH is 100% public funded.

She made her stance and in her own words "was surprised" they actually arrested her even though they gave her plenty of time to depart without being arrested.
So she thought they were bluffing and they called the bluff......

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Let’s take your public building trespassing idea further, so now sex offenders can hang out at public schools,

As far as I know there are specific LAWS on the books about that. I dont think a mask "mandate" is a LAW voted on by the legislature. A "mandate" holds no legal persuasion IMO.... The people putting these "mandates" into place have zero legal standing to do so. If they think its so important, draft up a bill and send it to your state house and have them sign it into law... oh wait, nobody will do that because no state or federal house/senate would EVER be able to get this kind of horse shit passed and into the books.
 
Let’s take your public building trespassing idea further, so now sex offenders can hang out at public schools, you can move into any public building, yes mask mandates are stupid, she was warned, police followed through. As far as equal enforcement l have not seen allot about riots in WY
This is a stretch and you know it.

Sex offenders have been proven guilty in a court of law. Are on a list. And have orders to stay away from whom ever their victims are.

You comparing an emotional 16 yo to a junkie that diddles kiddies is ridiculous. Not saying she shouldn't have been disciplined for her actions. But she's definitely not "a sex offender hanging around schools"
 
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Hi,

There is no law on the books that student cannot wear a bikini to school either but school policy "mandates" that they cannot and if they do they will be asked to leave.
If they do not leave they will be charged with trespassing.
If they do not leave after trespassing charge they will be arrested for said trespassing; not for violating the dress code "mandate" of no bikinis

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Let’s take your public building trespassing idea further, so now sex offenders can hang out at public schools, you can move into any public building, yes mask mandates are stupid, she was warned, police followed through. As far as equal enforcement l have not seen allot about riots in WY
The rules constraining sex offenders and squatters are actual laws that have passed through the legislative process. Mask MANDATES are not even close to that.

We should pass laws that prohibits mandates to be enforced by law enforcement in the same way as laws. Especially, when mandates are blatantly used to circumvent laws like the Brandon admin currently does with federal and OSHA vax mandates.
 
The rules constraining sex offenders and squatters are actual laws that have passed through the legislative process. Mask MANDATES are not even close to that.

We should pass laws that prohibits mandates to be enforced by law enforcement in the same way as laws. Especially, when mandates are blatantly used to circumvent laws like the Brandon admin currently does with federal and OSHA vax mandates.

Building owners and/or custodians have broad legal authority to impose conditions for entry.

You and everyone else who continues to insist that something can't be done because there isn't a very narrow law allowing it are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

@THEIS is the only person, besides me it seems, with both feet on reality
 
Building owners and/or custodians have broad legal authority to impose conditions for entry.

You and everyone else who continues to insist that something can't be done because there isn't a very narrow law allowing it are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

@THEIS is the only person, besides me it seems, with both feet on reality
I find it kinda funny... we use to get in trouble for NOT going to school. While I think her motives to go to class and learn were genuine, she learned an even more important lesson out side of the class room. Reality is a good teacher.

If I turn the memory wheels back a couple decades, I do recall a kid that got expelled from from our hs and was trespassed by the sro. Homeboy thought it was a good idea to come back the next week and hang with his friends in the parking lot. They definitely arrested him for trespassing.
 
The cops weren't enforcing any vax or mask mandate. The Principal suspended/expelled her and she refused to leave. Lots of violations in a school will get you disciplined without involving the police. Refusal to leave isn't one of them. They gave her every opportunity to leave without arrest, and that to me is exercising the limit of their discretion. Not there there aren't fubar cops who abuse their power, but I don't see it here.

It is the principal and school board who deserve the full measure of your righteous ire. The cops were the ones handcuffed in this situation and clearly did not want to do this to the young girl. If a student commits real crimes the cops get involved, although I would say that this is about the lowest level possible. Crap rolls downhill and the cops are at the bottom.
 

Especially look at New York.

It is illegal to congregate in public with two or more people while each wearing a mask or any face covering which disguises your identity.

Interesting.


If one is a parent to two illegitimate children, that person will go to jail for at least one month.

Does that apply to the mother and father? We would have more incarcerated than free.
 
Meh not surprised. This is Laramie wy were talking about. One hour north of Fort collins basically means they'll be the next Boulder in 10 years.

Ginger bitch better have rich parents with a good lawer, otherwise she'll be made an example of.
She had more balls than you.

By all accounts she is standing up to the system and not crying all over a forum about it. Accepting the consequences of her actions and plowing ahead anyway.

We could use a few more like that.
 
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Missing the point, she was arrested for violation of a law trespassing, I think mask mandates are stupid and unconstitutional, she was warned she would be arrested for trespassing if she didn’t leave. Second point is just because places are public you can’t go there and do whatever you want.
 
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Pretty sure she wins the law suit which will follow.

Right to a public education. That alone will win in Wyoming. No real need to throw the mask mandate in there. Plenty ways around that. Religious exemption, medical exemption so on and so forth. Medical exemption opens up reasonable accommodations ada, discrimination blah blah blah.

It was a dumbass move by the school admin along with the school board. The tax payers will end up footing the bill for all of this.
 
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It is always important to remember, Hitler did not fire every cop in Germany, he simply changed the laws and every cop gladly rounded up Jews and cripples and gypsies and led them to the gas chamber.

Stalin, Mao, Biden, Castro did the same thing. Never doubt for an instant the "thin blue line" will come for you and treat you like they treat everyone else. They are a tool of the oppressor and they will do it gladly when the time comes. Support them while they protect you from criminals but always remember, you are one stroke of a pen from their wrath.
This is a polite version of how I see the police, however, she got herself arrested and they gave her fair warning.
 
For a website who’s members preach follow the law, and then figure it out.

Example:
you won’t get shot if you just calmed down and listened to the police….every post about a “BLM” arrest when the person fought with police and got shot.

there sure are a lot of don’t follow the law when you don’t like it opinions.

strange???
 
For a website who’s members preach follow the law, and then figure it out.

Example:
you won’t get shot if you just calmed down and listened to the police….every post about a “BLM” arrest when the person fought with police and got shot.

there sure are a lot of don’t follow the law when you don’t like it opinions.

strange???
Yeah.

Those damn civil rights activists in the 60’s. If they only listened to go to the back of the bus and separate but equal was fine….

because you know… it was the law and mandated…
 
The cops weren't enforcing any vax or mask mandate. The Principal suspended/expelled her and she refused to leave. Lots of violations in a school will get you disciplined without involving the police. Refusal to leave isn't one of them. They gave her every opportunity to leave without arrest, and that to me is exercising the limit of their discretion. Not there there aren't fubar cops who abuse their power, but I don't see it here.

It is the principal and school board who deserve the full measure of your righteous ire. The cops were the ones handcuffed in this situation and clearly did not want to do this to the young girl. If a student commits real crimes the cops get involved, although I would say that this is about the lowest level possible. Crap rolls downhill and the cops are at the bottom.
I agree with this assessment, for sure. I’ll reiterate that I support law enforcement and the rule of law. My righteous ire isn’t directed at anything in particular. Instead, it’s an overall feeling of incredulity as I watch everything go to shit. And as far as I can tell, this can be said for most of the folks I’ve talked to about it. It’s not just the cops enforcing junk rules, it’s not just the school board making up the junk rules, it’s not just Brandon. It’s the whole damn thing. This falls outside of the scope of what I’m okay with. Along with the father in Loudon county. Along with failure to prosecute a large chunk of degenerates who violated the liberties of millions of people all summer last year. It’s a bad look. Support for law enforcement in these areas where things like this happen is very likely to go down even more.


Police have discretion in most cases. Discretion doesn't mean you get a pass whenever you want.

Refuse to leave after trespass = arrest in every jurisdiction I'm aware of.

Please explain to me again why you think she did not deserve to be arrested? Do you think that trespass should not be an arrestable offense? If so, what's your address?
I understand what you’re saying. No doubt about it. My explanation of why I don’t believe she deserved to be arrested is simple. Nothing to do with trespassing not being an arrestable offense. Everything to do with not wearing a mask warranting a trespass charge. Shit rule by the school board. To build a different argument, almost all I hear on the Hide is to stand up for your liberties. Sometimes that means being arrested. What if some entity decreed that some of the guns we own were suddenly illegal and here they come take them? What’s the answer? LE can have them? We’ve been warned? I know it’s a different argument but it doesn’t seem to be too far removed. Just a little further down the slippery slope.

If you want my address send me a PM. It’s not going public. I don’t mean it as a challenge either. Or an acceptance of your challenge or anything like that. And I certainly wouldn’t trespass you. I’d offer you a drink and we could shoot the shit. Maybe go bang some steel. Even though I believe it was a bit disingenuous to call me out in such a way that implied I don’t believe in the rule of law.
 
Missing the point, she was arrested for violation of a law trespassing, I think mask mandates are stupid and unconstitutional, she was warned she would be arrested for trespassing if she didn’t leave. Second point is just because places are public you can’t go there and do whatever you want.
Actually quite the opposite. THIS IS EXACTLY THE POINT. You think blah blah blah.

She did something.

Its not an indictment of the police. It is an indictment of our system. Rather than let her go mask free, the system throws her in jail. The police did their job, but its the police, the school, our entire way of life that is out of whack.

This is what a peaceful demonstration of an unjust law looks like. You accept the consequences of your actions. The same argument was applied to the civil rights movement of MLK, Jr. Charged with trepassing/unlawful assembly etc.. "Well the police warned you stop agitating"

Eventually enough people stood up and said "The system is broken and these laws are stupid"
 
Was she a registered student? Was she there to partake in her regularly scheduled programs?
Pretty sure it’s a yes to both.
I’m assuming that her being 16 and in a high school.


16-year-old Wyoming high school student was placed in handcuffs and ultimately arrested after her refusal to wear a mask led to a suspension and then a charge of trespassing.

Grace Smith, a Laramie High School junior,”
 
Yes, but she was suspended/expelled. You CAN fight that and say it's unjust, but not right there and not by refusing to leave.

If she got herself arrested to prove a point and for this to go nationwide, then it was an effective protest, but that would be a planned outcome. Quite frankly that is and what should separate real patriots, real protest, and real believers from the woketard crowd who is so "brave" to say trans rapists ought to use the women's bathrooms.
 
Building owners and/or custodians have broad legal authority to impose conditions for entry.

You and everyone else who continues to insist that something can't be done because there isn't a very narrow law allowing it are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

@THEIS is the only person, besides me it seems, with both feet on reality
You are an asshole, but you are not a moron. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.
 
I understand what you’re saying. No doubt about it. My explanation of why I don’t believe she deserved to be arrested is simple. Nothing to do with trespassing not being an arrestable offense. Everything to do with not wearing a mask warranting a trespass charge. Shit rule by the school board. To build a different argument, almost all I hear on the Hide is to stand up for your liberties. Sometimes that means being arrested. What if some entity decreed that some of the guns we own were suddenly illegal and here they come take them? What’s the answer? LE can have them? We’ve been warned? I know it’s a different argument but it doesn’t seem to be too far removed. Just a little further down the slippery slope.

If you want my address send me a PM. It’s not going public. I don’t mean it as a challenge either. Or an acceptance of your challenge or anything like that. And I certainly wouldn’t trespass you. I’d offer you a drink and we could shoot the shit. Maybe go bang some steel. Even though I believe it was a bit disingenuous to call me out in such a way that implied I don’t believe in the rule of law.

You have zero understanding of how this, any of this, works.

It's almost as if you can't grasp the concept of trespass. You say you believe in the rule of law yet you can't seem to understand how the law works.

Your opinion about what constitutes a good reason to charge someone with trespass is irrelevant. If you disagree with the school board, sue it, get in the school board to change how it works, or lobby whichever portion of your government (city, county, or state) controls your school board to pass laws to limit the school board's authority.

Your comparison to gun seizures is complete nonsense and I don't have time to explain why.

The ignorance of legal concepts is truly stunning.

We are destined to lose every fight with leftists if this is the level of political and legal saavy that the right brings to the fight. FML
 
She had more balls than you.

By all accounts she is standing up to the system and not crying all over a forum about it. Accepting the consequences of her actions and plowing ahead anyway.

We could use a few more like that.
Oh I'm not discounting her standing up to the mask bullshit. But this wasn't about masks. She thought they were bluffing about trespassing. Turns out they had the better hand. I guarantee you she's not the first student to be arrested for trespassing on school grounds.

I commend her for not wearing a mask, because like most people here, I won't wear one either unless it's by personal choice.

Regardless she was asked to leave, then she got forced to leave in the form of an arrest.

As for her genitalia... its 2021. She could have literal balls for all I know. Seeing she's only 16, I'll leave it to you to figure out what's in her pants. Ya chimo 🖕
 
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Pretty sure it’s a yes to both.
I’m assuming that her being 16 and in a high school.


16-year-old Wyoming high school student was placed in handcuffs and ultimately arrested after her refusal to wear a mask led to a suspension and then a charge of trespassing.

Grace Smith, a Laramie High School junior,”
Then it isn't trespassing. If she's there to partake in something that she's lawfully allowed partake in, she belongs there. Otherwise she's truant.
 
Whenever I hear of a couple cops abusing a citizen around a bunch of other citizens I think of this scene.



But folks raised by the gov are probably more likely to turn on their biological parents than their state :(
 
You have zero understanding of how this, any of this, works.

It's almost as if you can't grasp the concept of trespass. You say you believe in the rule of law yet you can't seem to understand how the law works.

Your opinion about what constitutes a good reason to charge someone with trespass is irrelevant. If you disagree with the school board, sue it, get in the school board to change how it works, or lobby whichever portion of your government (city, county, or state) controls your school board to pass laws to limit the school board's authority.

Your comparison to gun seizures is complete nonsense and I don't have time to explain why.

The ignorance of legal concepts is truly stunning.

We are destined to lose every fight with leftists if this is the level of political and legal saavy that the right brings to the fight. FML
Never been a cop or a lawyer. But when a 16 yo is pitted against LE for such a sham reason, my support goes to the 16yo. Of course there are better decisions to be made. But they weren’t made. Also, I harbor no ill will toward that agency or that agent. But to say I don’t get the concept of trespass…do what?
 
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Whenever I hear of a couple cops abusing a citizen around a bunch of other citizens I think of this scene.



But folks raised by the gov are probably more likely to turn on their biological parents than their state :(

Exactly, tyrants will do tyrant things supported by thugs who "just follow orders" until more people stand up than they can kill or imprison.
We get the government we deserve by virtue of our actions or inactions.
 
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Hi,

So where was the standing up for this student???


There is no law saying students cannot wear bandanna to school...............

Sincerely,
Theis
I do not recall anyone here endorsing this. And you just provided another example of LE discriminating against people with opinions they do not like while using written laws as a flimsy shield. In the case you cited it was against "another n!##@" and in the recent case against "another deplorable". What do you think is behind Garland's "investigations"? Honest concern about the rule of law? You got to be kidding me.

These cases are also another example of school administrations being totally out of control. They are unable to create a constructive learning environment by leadership but are quick to flex their authoritarian muscles.

I have done hundreds of 'illegal' things as a kid and pupil. The only reason why this did not make the news is because I respected the 'authorities' enough to know where the limit is. Would I have respected a pussy principal who calls the cops for someone wearing or not wearing something? Probably not. The teachers and our classmates would take care of these issues with the backing of the parents.

We had some characters in the neighborhood who would call the cops when us kids "BROKE THE LAW". Eventually, they got fined for wasting public resources with stupid shit. Just to be clear, we did not deal drugs in public or were entertaining ourselves with drive-by shootings. We were playing soccer for 15 minutes after school on public lawns that you were not supposed to play on. Rang all door bells at once on the apartment buildings we passed on our way home and stuff like that.
 
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2011 Wyoming Statutes
TITLE 6 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 3 - OFFENSES AGAINST PROPERTY
6-3-303. Criminal trespass; penalties.​


Universal Citation: WY Stat § 6-3-303 (1997 through Reg Sess)
(a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass if he enters or remains on or in the land or premises of another person, knowing he is not authorized to do so, or after being notified to depart or to not trespass. For purposes of this section, notice is given by:

(i) Personal communication to the person by the owner or occupant, or his agent, or by a peace officer; or

(ii) Posting of signs reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.

(b) Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), or both.

(c) This section does not supersede W.S. 1-21-1003.
 

2011 Wyoming Statutes​

TITLE 6 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES​

CHAPTER 3 - OFFENSES AGAINST PROPERTY​

6-3-303. Criminal trespass; penalties.​


Universal Citation: WY Stat § 6-3-303 (1997 through Reg Sess)
(a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass if he enters or remains on or in the land or premises of another person, knowing he is not authorized to do so, or after being notified to depart or to not trespass. For purposes of this section, notice is given by:

(i) Personal communication to the person by the owner or occupant, or his agent, or by a peace officer; or

(ii) Posting of signs reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.

(b) Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), or both.

(c) This section does not supersede W.S. 1-21-1003.

That, or something so similar as to be functionally identical, is in the criminal codes of every single state.

The fact that idiots can't separate the enforcement of that law and the policymaking that led to the trespass is just stunning.
 
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"Just following orders"
"Just following the law"

Where have I heard those phrases before....

Conform and obey citizen and you shall not be harmed. (until we decide something else is 'illegal')

A long time ago in a neighborhood far far away, and jackass neighbor served a young man trespass notice for mowing over the property line. When he again mowed the lawn, the police were summoned and the young man's father told the police that they could arrest the young man over his dead body.

'Hey you were trespassing, you got served notice"

As if laws are never abused so as to establish conformity or to benefit those in power. SO what if she was trespassing. If you truly oppose the mandates, you'd get behind this person or you can cower in the corner until the come for you.
 
Hi,

There is no law on the books that student cannot wear a bikini to school either but school policy "mandates" that they cannot and if they do they will be asked to leave.
If they do not leave they will be charged with trespassing.
If they do not leave after trespassing charge they will be arrested for said trespassing; not for violating the dress code "mandate" of no bikinis

Sincerely,
Theis
Good thing there is not a mandate that you must have chicken shit on your head to enter said school.....some here might feel the abscence of said chicken shit on the head, is an arrestable offense. Despite the lunacy of it.

But.....i can assure you, there is a blue uniform out there that would arrest you for it. 100% positive of that!

I know, i know......arrested for tresspass, not the chicken shit!
 
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