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Please do. I'm also interested in running 85.5gr Hybrids but at a 50%+ price increase, not sure if it's worth it.Yeh, that should treat you great.
I got my two new barrels squared away and mounted one of them. Throated it out to .120 freebore.
Going to run 1000 Berger 85.5gr Hybrids through it and see how I like them. They are more money then 88s, but a little higher BC, and tougher tip. A little better QC.
I'll keep you posted.
I have said that to myself 1000 timesPlease do. I'm also interested in running 85.5gr Hybrids but at a 50%+ price increase, not sure if it's worth it.
I'm running a 26 in Hawk Hill 22 br. .252 neck, freebore I don't know as my gunsmith custom throated it for me to seat above neck shoulder junction. Running the 95 smk @ 2936, absolutely no pressure. Around 3-5 fps sd consistently. Load is 31.7 H4350/cci 450s. .219 bore alsoThe 95gr smk must be very barrel dependent. I ran a quick pressure test on it the other day and I hit mild pressure at 30.5 grs of Varget going 3016fps. The barrel is a 28" Krieger 7 twist only has 25ish rounds on it. I hit pressure much earlier on my 28" Mueller 7 twist. I think it was low 2900s
Do you neck turn for your 252 neck? If so what measurement do you turn them down to?I'm running a 26 in Hawk Hill 22 br. .252 neck, freebore I don't know as my gunsmith custom throated it for me to seat above neck shoulder junction. Running the 95 smk @ 2936, absolutely no pressure. Around 3-5 fps sd consistently. Load is 31.7 H4350/cci 450s. .219 bore also
Yes. Turn them down to 12 thouDo you neck turn for your 252 neck? If so what measurement do you turn them down to?
Thanks
H4350 will get you to that speed also. I'm running it at 2936 with zero pressure.We went ahead and ordered a couple of Brux 6.5 twists to get this 22BR project moving over the winter.
Plan is to run 85.5s VLDs or 95 SMKs over Varget around 2900-2950. We’re wondering if the 6.5t will help to stabilize the heavies at distance without having to chase speed (and keep recoil to a minimum) or worry about blowing jackets.
.255 neck with .150 freebore sounds like a good in-between for what we’re trying to accomplish. No need to turn necks and a long enough throat to keep the bearing surface above the shoulder junction.
Will update once we get them spun up and have some time to start messing with them.
Those speeds will be easy with the 85gr Bergers. Pretty tough with the 95gr SMK.We went ahead and ordered a couple of Brux 6.5 twists to get this 22BR project moving over the winter.
Plan is to run 85.5s VLDs or 95 SMKs over Varget around 2900-2950. We’re wondering if the 6.5t will help to stabilize the heavies at distance without having to chase speed (and keep recoil to a minimum) or worry about blowing jackets.
.255 neck with .150 freebore sounds like a good in-between for what we’re trying to accomplish. No need to turn necks and a long enough throat to keep the bearing surface above the shoulder junction.
Will update once we get them spun up and have some time to start messing with them.
Thats far better success than I had with Varget. What twist rate?H4350 will get you to that speed also. I'm running it at 2936 with zero pressure.
I'm getting 3050fps out of the 85.5 Hybrids on my new 26" Hawk Hill 7" twist barrel now that its finished speeding up. Its seated pretty far out in a .130" freebore, jumping it .060.
My experiments with the 95gr SMK with a 22" suppressed 7" twist, .218 bore and .180 freebore didn't go very well. I hit really hard bolt lift at 2850fps. A longer barrel would probably get it to 2900fps, but tough to say if it would be a useable round. In a 6.5" twist it will hit pressure faster.
If I were to run this as a comp round, I would stick to the Berger. I saw a lot of variation in the length of the SMK, that made me kinda leery. And I had jacket failures like crazy with the SMK in my 22 Creedmoor any time I got near 3100fps. I would love to see how the SD of the BC looks on that bullet from the guys at the AB lab. My speculation is its not that good.
7 twist. .219 bore.Thats far better success than I had with Varget. What twist rate?
Those speeds will be easy with the 85gr Bergers. Pretty tough with the 95gr SMK.
I'm getting 3050fps out of the 85.5 Hybrids on my new 26" Hawk Hill 7" twist barrel now that its finished speeding up. Its seated pretty far out in a .130" freebore, jumping it .060.
My experiments with the 95gr SMK with a 22" suppressed 7" twist, .218 bore and .180 freebore didn't go very well. I hit really hard bolt lift at 2850fps. A longer barrel would probably get it to 2900fps, but tough to say if it would be a useable round. In a 6.5" twist it will hit pressure faster.
If I were to run this as a comp round, I would stick to the Berger. I saw a lot of variation in the length of the SMK, that made me kinda leery. And I had jacket failures like crazy with the SMK in my 22 Creedmoor any time I got near 3100fps. I would love to see how the SD of the BC looks on that bullet from the guys at the AB lab. My speculation is its not
I'm of the opinion that jacket failures are caused by a .218 bore, especially with a 6.5 twist at creedmoor speeds. Opinion only though as all I've got to go on is I'm at 1300 +- rounds on mine, haven't popped one yet. 7 twist @2936. G7 in my gun is.304 which is gtg for me.Those speeds will be easy with the 85gr Bergers. Pretty tough with the 95gr SMK.
I'm getting 3050fps out of the 85.5 Hybrids on my new 26" Hawk Hill 7" twist barrel now that its finished speeding up. Its seated pretty far out in a .130" freebore, jumping it .060.
My experiments with the 95gr SMK with a 22" suppressed 7" twist, .218 bore and .180 freebore didn't go very well. I hit really hard bolt lift at 2850fps. A longer barrel would probably get it to 2900fps, but tough to say if it would be a useable round. In a 6.5" twist it will hit pressure faster.
If I were to run this as a comp round, I would stick to the Berger. I saw a lot of variation in the length of the SMK, that made me kinda leery. And I had jacket failures like crazy with the SMK in my 22 Creedmoor any time I got near 3100fps. I would love to see how the SD of the BC looks on that bullet from the guys at the AB lab. My speculation is its not that good.
I'm sure that bore sizing helps for added velocity before hitting pressure. I have two different 22BRs. One with a .217 bore Proof medium Palma on a G.A. Tempest. And have had several on a Curtis Axiom with .218 bore Hawk Hill MTUs. The Proof barrel always runs higher pressure with the same load. Even though both are 7" twist chambered with the same reamer.7 twist. .219 bore.
I dont think it's so much a bore or pressure issue as it is an RPM issue. Though I agree that tighter bores and faster twists create more pressure. And perhaps its a contributing factor.I'm of the opinion that jacket failures are caused by a .218 bore, especially with a 6.5 twist at creedmoor speeds. Opinion only though as all I've got to go on is I'm at 1300 +- rounds on mine, haven't popped one yet. 7 twist @2936. G7 in my gun is.304 which is gtg for me.
Yes. That is the same barrel I ordered.Im thinking of ordering a 22 BR in .219 bore 7tw from PVA in hopes of running 88 eldm’s around 3000 fps. In your experience, should I be ok jacket wise? I really don’t want to try this if I’m going to have to deal with bullets blowing up.
I'm running 3100 from a 7 twist .218 bore Krieger with no issues yetIm thinking of ordering a 22 BR in .219 bore 7tw from PVA in hopes of running 88 eldm’s around 3000 fps. In your experience, should I be ok jacket wise? I really don’t want to try this if I’m going to have to deal with bullets blowing up.
I am using redding 22br rem type C full length die to size it down from 6br to 22br. Then i use a redding competition 6br die with a .247 bushing to resize after first firing and beyond.I’m thinking bout getting on the 22br train but I’m confused a little on dies all I can find or 22br Remington dies and I see some guy using them on here.
I assume everyone’s running a 22br Norma chamber with lapua brass and the only option I can find in dies is a 6br norma with a 22cal bushing.
so what y’all running for dies?
Ok makes sense your only over working the brass once then back to the minimum.I am using redding 22br rem type C full length die to size it down from 6br to 22br. Then i use a redding competition 6br die with a .247 bushing to resize after first firing and beyond.
For a short barreled killing rifle I'd go 22 creed... I get more velocity from my 20" 22 creed compared to my 28" 22br. It will take a long time to shoot out a 22 creed on a killing gun unless you are a killing machine or you just shoot it a lot for fun. If not 22 creed maybe 22gtFor those of you experienced with the 22BR, would an 18.5" 22BR make any sense? My idea is to take into the brush and shoot critters such as pigs, coyotes, and maybe deer during season. It would be suppressed all the time and I like the idea of running heavies. Probably anything over 77 grains.
I do have a 26" 223 with a 9 twist that shoots 77s just fine. Do you guys think the 18.5" BR would gain me much, or not in that short of a barrel?
Thanks...
For a short barreled killing rifle I'd go 22 creed... I get more velocity from my 20" 22 creed compared to my 28" 22br. It will take a long time to shoot out a 22 creed on a killing gun unless you are a killing machine or you just shoot it a lot for fun. If not 22 creed maybe 22gt
I have thought about the 22 creed as well. But I just know myself too well and I know whatever I build "to hunt" I'll probably also want to use to whack some steel lol. I may end up eating the barrel pretty quickly like that. Not that I'm completely against the idea, but I still thought about considering a 22BR or maybe even a GT like you mentioned.
This is just my opinion but if you plan on shooting predators or medium sized animals at beyond 300yds you need as much gun as you are willing to take because just a mph or 2 of wind can turn a kill shot to a wounding when you start stretching the distance. Animals aren't steel and a hit isn't just a hit because no matter how nasty the animal is they are just doing what they are made to do and deserve as quick of a death as any other animal.
BUTTTT if you are keeping your killing fairly close and just want to stretch out your distance on steel for fun a 18-20" 22br would be a great choice. Again just my opinion and I know that plenty of people think of yotes and pigs as trash, don't care if they suffer, and probably very much disagree with me.
I have a 28" long throated 223 and 22br. The 22br is about 200fps faster at the same length but at shorter lengths the 223 may start to catch up because of less powder and you can use faster powders. It may have been a fast barrel but I had a 22" 223 wylde that I ran 88s at 2830fps while my 26" wylde runs them at around 2850fps and the 28" in the 2900s with a much longer throat.Oh trust me, I won't be shooting live targets far enough. Or if I ever hunted in an area where such a shot was possible, I also have 270win, 308win, and 6.5CM so I'm covered there. However, here in the south Texas brush, my longest shot ever on a deer was 297 yards and that was out of the norm. Usually, we're not shooting past 200 yards with most shots being in the 50 - 80 yards.
Now that we've got that covered, I think I'm gonna start looking up case capacity on a 22BR case and compare to 223 just to see where in the ballpark it is. I want more quantifiable data. I see a lot of posts that include MV but no bbl length. I guess I just have to assume most of the time these are 26" bbl lengths.
A friend of mine has been trying to run the 85.5s. Said he's never had a more picky bullet. This is out of a bolt 223.I'm in the dilemma here, I have a 28" 7tw hawk hill hvy varmint, 219 bore blank. I plan to put it on my origin, I'm trying decide on 223 w/ long throat or 22br. I do have 223 brass already but no dies. Lc brass is cheap as shit and if I loose it no worries, lapua 6br whole different animal. I feel I can get much better components for the br and likely better performance. I'd plan on running Berger 85.5 or Horandy 88s. What mags can a guy run? My buddy shoots straight 6br out of accurate mag aics with NO issues in a deviant.
Who shoots this for strictly matches, will it make 3k rounds running 88s @ 3k fps from a long barrel?
I've run the 22BR in a lot of matches. If you shoot in the range of 2950 to 3000fps, there's a chance you'll make it to 3000 rounds. Mine have all been shooting pretty good still when I pulled them around 2500. But if a guy didn't mind chasing the lands and developing a new load around the 2k mark, I'm pretty sure you could squeeze that out of a barrel.Who shoots this for strictly matches, will it make 3k rounds running 88s @ 3k fps from a long barrel?
You don't have to neck turn or turn the shoulder.Since a guy is having to neck down and turn the neck all the way down and a little into the shoulder to prevent donuts, would the 22 dasher be a better route? All the possible donut area of the neck would become shoulder. This would allow sizing down with just a bushing die vs FL die. Set a false shoulder to form the case and gtg. Idk may need turned as well.
Regarding this dog turd. I too have the redding 22br FL die. I lost 10 pieces on my first 100 brass. Then i seemed to have solved the collapsing shoulder issue by making sure everything was lubed quite generously with hornady one shot, including inside of neck. Removed expander ball and used the mandrel to bring the neck back up after. Did 300 more brass with no issues.I've not paid strict attention to this thread for a while, but for all the guys fretting neck turning, I will tell you that the Redding FL .22BR die is a piece of dogshit of the first order. It WAY oversizes the neck, not only resulting in bad donuts, but a lot of collapsed shoulders (about 1 out of 5) as well. But hey, at least it's within "their spec" (Redding's words, certainly not mine). I've mentioned it in this thread before.
I went the route of their bushing neck die (also bought the body die, if I had it to do over, I'd just get the bushing FL die), with a .259" and .250" bushings. Initial sizing is a two step process with the two bushings that is much smoother (no having to lean on the Rock Chucker handle), much less of a donut (pretty well forms out on the first firing) and no collapsed shoulders.
If anyone is determined to use the FL die, I have on for sale on the cheap. I might get in trouble for saying that outside of the PX, but in my defense, there is no category for "dog turd" for sale.