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4 Minneapolis officers fired in death of black man after video shows officer pinning knee against his neck
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I think something else killed him. He wasn’t suffocating. Cop definitely should have got off of him when he quit struggling, but I don’t see how someone that can talk can be suffocating. I bet he was fucked up on something and all the excitement and struggling threw him into cardiac arrest.
There are chokes and there are strangles. One is oxygen deprivation via air and the other is oxygen deprivation via blood.
The police killed him.
that’s right! He was clearly assaulting that police officers knee with his neck....fucker deserved what he got!
You fucking dumbass
I understand that but it doesn’t look like that’s what happened to me, but I’m no expert. He’s complaining about pain all over too. Cop should have got off when he was still breathing but not resisting anymore. The cop really fucked up. Even if he had a brain aneurysm it doesn’t matter. He is FUCKED
Really? Because I question that is for sure why he died? I never said anything like that, cocksucker.
I couldn’t make it through the entire video. That one guy is just standing there pretty much making sure nobody can help. Then the pepper spray from killer.
This is some 3rd world stuff here. No sympathy here for the former LE. They give a bad name to Homo sapiens. That poor soul may have been on drugs, may have stolen something but those people do not get to be judge, jury and executioner all in one.
There can be no doubt that any fight the victim had was long gone and at some point even his fight was likely for sheer survival. Do these former cops not understand fight or flight in a situation like that? Was there not one man on that squad that had any moral character? When the blood started coming out of his nose even the dumbest of dumb would know what is happening. The level of non-chalantness is so completely morally bankrupt it’s shocking.
This is some 3rd world stuff here. No sympathy here for the former LE. They give a bad name to Homo sapiens. That poor soul may have been on drugs, may have stolen something but those people do not get to be judge, jury and executioner all in one.
There can be no doubt that any fight the victim had was long gone and at some point even his fight was likely for sheer survival. Do these former cops not understand fight or flight in a situation like that? Was there not one man on that squad that had any moral character? When the blood started coming out of his nose even the dumbest of dumb would know what is happening. The level of non-chalantness is so completely morally bankrupt it’s shocking.
Bud, you literally said something else killed him. Something other than the knee on his neck, that he said was asphyxiating him, while a mob of people gathered and screamed “you’re killing him” at the cops, who eventually removed the knee, only to find the man had died, from something other than the knee, you suppose.
That video literally made my eyes well up at one point. What desperation, his pleas for mercy, his own countrymen... that was awful.
Unless proven otherwise, I see no justifications for why he was held down as long as he was. If they were concerned he'd further resist releasing weight off his neck why didnt the other "officer" assist in retraining him? I don't know any man who can take on 2 people handcuffed and faced down.
I try to support LEO's when I can, they have a tough job, but I dont see anything but poor judgement and decisions here that were sure to lead to a man's death. Maybe more info will shed light?
I try to support LEO's when I can, they have a tough job, but I dont see anything but poor judgement and decisions here that were sure to lead to a man's death. Maybe more info will shed light?
Hmmmm.
As to echo what is already been said having a job where I read a LOT of autopsies. Anytime its from a knife or bullet, its homicide. lots of other “things” make it that way too, such as bruising or ligature marks on the neck.
you can actually tell looking at a brain why it died.
And in an autopsy, they look at all the body parts.
In an isolated GSW to the head, they weigh the kidneys (not in your cranium) and describe them.
I promise you if you do enough learning about the vasculature of the neck, as well as the trachea, you will understand how easy it is to kill someone by obstructing it.
Sleeper Hold for longer will kill someone.
As to echo what is already been said having a job where I read a LOT of autopsies. Anytime its from a knife or bullet, its homicide. lots of other “things” make it that way too, such as bruising or ligature marks on the neck.
you can actually tell looking at a brain why it died.
And in an autopsy, they look at all the body parts.
In an isolated GSW to the head, they weigh the kidneys (not in your cranium) and describe them.
I promise you if you do enough learning about the vasculature of the neck, as well as the trachea, you will understand how easy it is to kill someone by obstructing it.
Sleeper Hold for longer will kill someone.
Oooooooooooh the humanity of it all !!!! I man (AA) was actually speaking to you Karen !! Better send in an air strike with Thermite Plasma and obliterate his ass before something happens.....like he stops you from strangling your own dog due to your hysteria! Fucking ridiculous. She's going to make someone a fine psychotic ex wife someday.....and I hope she gets the dog in the divorce. City folk.
Why not try this? Just don't do things that make the police want to arrest you. History doesn't begin with a man on the ground.
Shut the fuck up.
breaking the law is a bad idea.
Justifying murder by a cop is an even worse idea.
A cop’s job once someone is no longer an active threat is to stop.
stop being a douche. Idea of the day.
breaking the law is a bad idea.
Justifying murder by a cop is an even worse idea.
A cop’s job once someone is no longer an active threat is to stop.
stop being a douche. Idea of the day.
This top tier thinking for some, beyond anything they currently have accomplished.
I’m surprised not one assisting officer intervened. Yeah they are there to make sure everyone goes home at the end of the day but they (your assisting officers)are also there to get involved when you’re fucking up. In this situation.. racism?..lack of training? Who knows.. But that’s a good way to screw up police-community relations.
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It's cops being treated as and starting to think that they are an elevated class who are above the consequences of us "citizens".
I agree man, sad to say but there’s a good amount in the force that have that mindset.
Think about your comment again.
Now think about how many law abiding and hard working people have gotten railroaded and fucked in the ass by the long dick of the "law" for possession of a magazine that held more rounds than the law allowed, did not know that they cannot carry their defensive pistols into a particular city, or had their AR-15 malfunction and crank off a "burst" right within earshot of some 'officers of the law'.
Think about that, and then think about what particular activity that most law abiding gun owners do that takes up almost 80%-90% of our effort? Hint: It is not going to the range or reloading ammo. It involves phones, emails, and paper/pen.
Bad decision to choke the guy til unconscious, then dead. The deceased was already cuffed was he not?
That ought go before a jury of his fellow citizens.
That ought go before a jury of his fellow citizens.
Will have to wait for the autopsy. I am not a doctor, but seems within the realm of possibility a throat injury could swell over time and obstruct the airway further.
When the guy stopped wiggling it was time to get off of him.
It’s been proven over and over, it takes much less air to speak than it does to breathe properly.
The “if you can talk then you can breathe” isn’t true at all.
Yeah the neck is a very weak point on the body. It should probably only be targeted when deadly force is justified.
It's going to two juries, local and federal. I think hes going to be convicted in both, at minimum Negligent Homicide in local, and longer incarceration on federal charges.
Based on the video only, those two convictions look too easy to obtain. We shall see in the next two years if the normal trend continues.
Jmho, he deserves that at the least. This from a 30+ year LE...
Now that the Corona hoax is exposed for what it is and the leftists are losing their battle to destroy America it is time for RACE BAITING!!!!
Where is the video of he five minutes of fighting this guy was doing before he was pinned and subdued?
Socialists and communist have one tactic..........................spreading lies, hate and discontent. They whip the same tired bullshit into a froth over and over and the same race baiters jump every time. Not one of them will wait until the investigation is concluded, because it always proves them wrong. When they find these cops did their job as trained and instructed they will still ruin their lives and the leftist media will not correct their lies.
Where is the video of he five minutes of fighting this guy was doing before he was pinned and subdued?
Socialists and communist have one tactic..........................spreading lies, hate and discontent. They whip the same tired bullshit into a froth over and over and the same race baiters jump every time. Not one of them will wait until the investigation is concluded, because it always proves them wrong. When they find these cops did their job as trained and instructed they will still ruin their lives and the leftist media will not correct their lies.
What utter drivel bullshit.
The one real question to ask is, would this have happened if he were white? I doubt it.
From what I remember, at least on the Fed level they definitely don’t teach Knee on neck for apprehension/restraining. Coming from a Jiu jitsu background I had to gear towards joint manipulation because choke holds or anything restricting oxygen was a big no no. Highly doubt that Officer was instructed or trained to do that and should be held accountable.
Doesn’t matter if he fought back for an hour or even if he tried to kill the officer. Once the threat is no longer there, it’s over. You have to deescalate. That’s not always easy to do. But when you have several other officers there and the guy isn’t moving anymore, you get off him.
There’s no LE out there that will defend this. Myself and other career LE in the site have already posted. We would be the first to defend them if we could.
Is there more to the story? I’m sure there is. Is the media using it for race baiting? Of course. Did these officers still fuck up regardless? Yep.
It could have happened if the deceased was any color.
The behavior exacerbates the outcome. If a magenta dude behaved the same way, it likely would have triggered the same irrational response.
If that was a man defending his property and he held a criminal down until the cops got there and the thug died, I would care less and would like to take the hero out to a dinner on me. When its four cops holding a man down by his neck for 10 minutes until he dies when he is clearly unconscious for six or seven minutes then all four should go to prison on murder charges. I wasn't even against the protesters tearing up the police station. I'm not mad that they tore up Target considering the small stores went out of business while target was essential because they donate to politicians. Once the looters started destroying personal property and other businesses that's where they lost me.
You are correct though. Even the governor took the race baiting narrative and run with it. That is disgusting along with the media and protestors that made it a race issue.
Yep. Had he been alone and fighting with the guy in an assault type situation and the officer was getting tired (deadly force scenario) then all’s fair.
When you have him subdued with your backup standing there.......that’s a no go.
That's unfair to say considering there is not proof this was racially motivated. There are real statistics out there that proves the whole black man getting killed by white man just because it horseshit. Statistically a lie. You are adding to that fake narrative. Black people do have to overcome a deserved bias. That's on them and their own doing. This isn't a racist statement either. Its reality. The cops screwed the pooch regardless of the skin tone of any that were involved.
Hi,
We were always told "Once cuffs are on, hands are off".....
Sincerely,
Theis
We were always told "Once cuffs are on, hands are off".....
Sincerely,
Theis
I feel bad for the families of the Officers as they will have to go into hiding miles away from there for their own protection. I feel bad for the suspects family. I have 25+ years (retired) as a cop. They will have to move the trial FAR away. If the involved Officers get acquitted you will see a riot of all riots.
This video will likely be a permanent training video in many agencies and departments.
1: deescalation of force is something you absolutely must do
2: positional asphyxia. Most places drill it into your head, you don’t leave someone cuffed and face down. Get them into a seated position ASAP
Once the fight is over, you transition into a caretaker mode. If you’re doing your job right in LE, it shouldn’t be uncommon to be giving or calling medical attention to someone you just handed their ass.
1: deescalation of force is something you absolutely must do
2: positional asphyxia. Most places drill it into your head, you don’t leave someone cuffed and face down. Get them into a seated position ASAP
Once the fight is over, you transition into a caretaker mode. If you’re doing your job right in LE, it shouldn’t be uncommon to be giving or calling medical attention to someone you just handed their ass.
Are you denying there's a racial agenda?
About 1000 people meet their end at the hands of police every year. About 20% are black and 40% are white so YES its entirely possible.
Question is, would mainstream media be playing it like it was the Kennedy assassination?
Can you name one white person killed by police in the last 5 years?
If you’re asking if the actual scenario would have happened if the suspect was white......the answer is absolutely it would/can/does.
More white people are killed by police than black every year. No one cares when Bill the meth addict gets popped. It doesn’t create the viewership for news channels.
That being said the overwhelming majority of all fatalities caused by police are well within the arena of justified. But again “guy points gun at cop, cop shoots man” doesn’t buy you views.
Unless it’s something like “unarmed man killed by police as he tries to run them over.”
As the media seems to think only a gun or a knife (and they are even started to define a knife as unarmed) is a weapon.
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard “he could have tased” the dude with a knife.
As the media seems to think only a gun or a knife (and they are even started to define a knife as unarmed) is a weapon.
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard “he could have tased” the dude with a knife.
I just burned down my neighbors house to show solidarity.
That’s just it. Once he is pinned and subdued it is over. He was already cuffed and there were four officers available. Putting a knee on his neck and multiple officers (former officers now) compressing his thoracic area wasn’t necessary. That was a punitive measure. Agree with it if you want, but it wasn’t right.
Investigation or not. When the cuffed suspect with three officers (former officers) on him, and another officer (now former officer) ready to assist, went limp, why did the officer (now former officer) keep his knee on his neck for four more minutes? How many minutes does it need to be without any movement before one feels its time to evaluate what’s going on? You don’t think that had any reason to do with why those officers are now “former officers,” do you?
Is this how they did their job “as trained and instructed?” Perhaps they were not trained and instructed to go for the neck with a suspect in handcuffs and remain there for that length of time. Not sure if your instruction was to do that but let this be a lesson that what they did was a bad idea.
Even the most race-baiting opportunists in the media know to back off and keep their cock holsters shut when a police incident is revealed to be a textbook justified use of lethal force.
THIS incident took place in Daytona Beach, FL, a few days ago. Apparently, this Einstein stole a hunting rifle from somewhere and tried to carjack a woman. Woman gets away from him and manages to call police. Officers show up. Einstein points rifle DIRECTLY at officers even as he was being yelled at to "put it down!" more than SIX times before the officer and a sergeant fire their weapons, critically wounding the perp who is expected to survive. The video clearly shows the perp's skin color. Now I am not sure how much extreme left/BLM activity is prevalent in Florida but not a single peep came out of this... It was a classic GOOD SHOOT, as the video shows. The officers had used tremendous restraint, almost to the point of hesitation, warning the guy multiple times to put down the weapon before firing...
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The suspect in an attempted carjacking was shot on Monday by police when he pointed a rifle at responding officers, Daytona Beach police Chief Craig Capri
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Yes, and I'll even spot you one specifically in the same city.
Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia
The video makes this look bad. And it is. But I would like to know the rest of the story, not just what the media is showing. I read, heard or saw someplace that the dude was trying to pass a forged check. What happened between then and when he was handcuffed and on the ground? Did he resist arrest? Did he fight with the officers and run his mouth? Did they have to chase him down? Apparently something really riled the officers up. Please understand, I'm not trying to justify this. But I want to know more than the media is telling us.
It seems like it should be "game over" once he was handcuffed and on the ground. In the video it looks like the officer is sitting with his knee on the guys neck with his hand in his pocket like he was posing for a picture. Well, he got his picture alright! And it looks like the other officers are standing around doing nothing.
As far as the riots go, I feel that the police are justified in using teargas, rubber bullets or whatever it takes to protect property. There are other ways to deal with this than tearing up and burning stuff!
As far as the girl in the park with the dog goes, even my Wife called her a dumb bitch! Poor dog!!!
It seems like it should be "game over" once he was handcuffed and on the ground. In the video it looks like the officer is sitting with his knee on the guys neck with his hand in his pocket like he was posing for a picture. Well, he got his picture alright! And it looks like the other officers are standing around doing nothing.
As far as the riots go, I feel that the police are justified in using teargas, rubber bullets or whatever it takes to protect property. There are other ways to deal with this than tearing up and burning stuff!
As far as the girl in the park with the dog goes, even my Wife called her a dumb bitch! Poor dog!!!
Can you imagine how bad it would have been if she were black?Yes, and I'll even spot you one specifically in the same city.
Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia
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I guess his shooting was justified because he couldn’t play Simon Says well enough with the conflicting instructions.
The police said in the video that they tried to get him in the car for 10 minutes. Seems to have been a bit of a struggle,
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