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5000 meters+ Supersonic (*Updated with pics*)

#252
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Oh FFS! get over it... i make no apologies for giving ethical consideration to things like this, its called being responsible!!! Afterall, All guns are great and the more the better right?

WOW, ive been called alot of things over the years but never an anti-gun facist! Nice work...

And i oppose banning ANYTHING outright, and never said as such.

Now can we get this back on topic, noone want to read this crap... So you claim to already have shot this thing, what sort of groups did you get?

Later, Where is the reply to said email? or are you unwilling to help?

i feel like an idiot for not realizing earlier, but this whole thing smells like a publicity stunt anyways...


 
#253
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Nick don't even... I have worked on this thing for months and months and have devoted every spare hour and dollar I have to this project. Publicity stunt? For what gain? I don't own a firearms related business! I posted on here because I thought this community would enjoy reading about what I and a few others have been developing for some time....get over it. If you just want to continue whining in my thread then just don't post!!!!!

Please let's get this thread back on track!!! I'm currently trying to get everything worked out for our carbon fiber wrapped barrel and titanium suppressor...as soon as I have these key elements Ill start posting pics and videos. As far as the case design well, Im
not sure Im ready to start flashing that around yet!
 
#254
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Admittedly, I have not read word for word every post in this thread but it seems to me that something like this should <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">HAVE A FUCKING PICTURE</span></span>
to go with it. I call BULLSHIT on the whole thing without photographic evidence.

Lets see, "hey guys, I'm building the most super badass rifle in the entire universe, but I don't have a picture of it." Right...

My new super motherfucker rifle runs on 43.26 grains of fairy dust and will push a 36gr inconel super magflux hollow point at 89,000 parsecs out of copper/tin alloy barrel. I figure it will stay supersonic to about Mars (depending on solar winds and such). I'm currently refining my Pterodactyl wing bone suppressor. See I can do it too.

Just messing with you guys. Seriously though, picture.
 
#255
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

@saojao,

Carbon fibre wrapped barrel. Are you you working with Mike Rock on that? I believe he did a hunting type rifle up that way. Sounds pretty slick.

Have a good one
Gary
 
#256
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

As to any violation, I've already asked, and actually my boss did as well. And I certainly wouldn't be throwing it all out there. See, I don't work for GS really, I do this for the cause, and because I'm good at it and I want to. But the fact is the owner, my wife Gina Schultz, lives right here in MI, and we are opening up GS Custom USA, so it's not a foreign company. Also, I have nothing to do with military ammunition or acquisitions, just the small arms the military already has, or is building in house. I do also consult here and there, but the two do not overlap. Since GS has never done a 20mm, nor have I ever got payed by GS, or even taken part in anything that would cross that line, I'm still in the clear. And my designing small arms for my buddies I use to work with, that's not a job man, that's for fun...and for the greater good, since I don't want them with shitty weapons. And even if I did, since when have Active duty military members been excluded from designing military firearms? I do carry the NEC 9545, which is law enforcement (where I started), and the NEC 9598, which is CBR-NED (what I do now). I am no longer attached to Crane, I'm with the CB's now in VA. Yup, 3 years (or 2) and we get moved around.

As to the Carbon barrels...Try ABS barrels. They are truly awesome barrels, no question.
 
#257
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Admittedly, I have not read word for word every post in this thread but it seems to me that something like this should <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">HAVE A FUCKING PICTURE</span></span>
to go with it. I call BULLSHIT on the whole thing without photographic evidence.

Lets see, "hey guys, I'm building the most super badass rifle in the entire universe, but I don't have a picture of it." Right...

My new super motherfucker rifle runs on 43.26 grains of fairy dust and will push a 36gr inconel super magflux hollow point at 89,000 parsecs out of copper/tin alloy barrel. I figure it will stay supersonic to about Mars (depending on solar winds and such). I'm currently refining my Pterodactyl wing bone suppressor. See I can do it too.

Just messing with you guys. Seriously though, picture. </div></div>
You should switch to Unobtanium instead of Inconel. You can get at least another light year out of it on a gain twist barrel.
 
#258
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Admittedly, I have not read word for word every post in this thread but it seems to me that something like this should <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">HAVE A FUCKING PICTURE</span></span>
to go with it. I call BULLSHIT on the whole thing without photographic evidence.

Lets see, "hey guys, I'm building the most super badass rifle in the entire universe, but I don't have a picture of it." Right...

My new super motherfucker rifle runs on 43.26 grains of fairy dust and will push a 36gr inconel super magflux hollow point at 89,000 parsecs out of copper/tin alloy barrel. I figure it will stay supersonic to about Mars (depending on solar winds and such). I'm currently refining my Pterodactyl wing bone suppressor. See I can do it too.

Just messing with you guys. Seriously though, picture. </div></div>
You should switch to Unobtanium instead of Inconel. You can get at least another light year out of it on a gain twist barrel. </div></div>

plus it gets stronger the hotter it gets to boot!
 
#259
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Groper you didn't question my ethics and character the other day when you sent me email <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">about your projectiles</span></span> yet you question the cumulative ethics of this project which I am associated with...come on.</div></div> Now I understand and will take further comments from groper whence it comes.
 
#260
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

This thread just shows you the world is full of stupid people. Overall I think it's a great project and look forward to seeing how it turns out. If it wasn't for people willing to push things to the limit like this we would all be sitting in caves throwing rocks at each other.
 
#261
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Wow, this thread has become 6 pages long and pushing 7 and I bet if I sorted them all out I would have about 1.5 pages of relavent information about the OP (which I found interesting) and 5.5 pages of pathetic keyboard bashing, smirking to themselves to the lonely glow of a computer screen personal attacks. Your all going to change the course of the world from your moms basement, arnt you?

OP, sir, is there any place I can look to find coherent information on your project. Trying to desypher your and others relavent coments and information from all of the pathetic attacks and uninformed speculation is exhausting. If you have a thread or information site that has not been attacked by the super special forces recon black ops barret ranger sniper SEAL force recon internet ninjas I would love to read about it in one coherent thought process.

Thankyou. And please PM it to me so that none of them can find and ruin it.
 
#262
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OP, sir, is there any place I can look to find coherent information on your project. Trying to desypher your and others relavent coments and information from all of the pathetic attacks and uninformed speculation is exhausting. If you have a thread or information site that has not been attacked by the super special forces recon black ops barett ranger sniper SEAL force recon internet ninjas I would love to read about it in one coherent thought process.

Thank you. And please PM it to me so that none of them can find and ruin it. </div></div>

If there is another uncluttered source for this information, I'd like it too please. Thanks.
 
#264
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Well until we get some pics, how bout a little fun?

Heres a design i just knocked up for the hell of it, ill email the *.IGES or *.stp or *.dxf file to anyone who wants it, free of charge and you can take the finished result to your local CNC shop if you want to. All the dimensions and mass is accurate using oxygen free copper 110. I could do a similar design but include a tungsten penetrator in the tip aswell if you like?

145mm1600grns.jpg


Bohem, would you like to showoff your fluid dynamics modelling of the above and give us the drag at mach 2.5? And whilst your at it, how about this APFSDS one (i also just knocked it up for fun)... could you do the same for it also and calculate the difference?

APFSDS.jpg

 
#265
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Heres a design i just knocked up for the hell of it</div></div>
Looks like it too.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ill email the *.IGES or *.stp or *.dxf file to anyone who wants it, free of charge</div></div> It would make it worth as much as what one pays for it then.

See, I can be abrasive and rude about your efforts too. No trick to it at all.

I do have a serious question though. Why would Bohem et al trade worth for worthless?
 
#267
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, this thread has become 6 pages long and pushing 7 and I bet if I sorted them all out I would have about 1.5 pages of relavent information about the OP (which I found interesting) and 5.5 pages of pathetic keyboard bashing, smirking to themselves to the lonely glow of a computer screen personal attacks. Your all going to change the course of the world from your moms basement, arnt you?

OP, sir, is there any place I can look to find coherent information on your project. Trying to desypher your and others relavent coments and information from all of the pathetic attacks and uninformed speculation is exhausting. If you have a thread or information site that has not been attacked by the super special forces recon black ops barret ranger sniper SEAL force recon internet ninjas I would love to read about it in one coherent thought process.

Thankyou. And please PM it to me so that none of them can find and ruin it. </div></div>

Unfortunately, this thread is fairly representative of what we run into on a regular basis in "Beyond 1000 Yards". There seem to be two types of prognosticators that love to troll here. The "OMG, the earth is flat, you'll fall off the edge" type who have absolutely NO idea about ELR shooting and don't think anyone else should either, and the "mine is bigger and better than yours" experts that can't seem to let anyone else talk about their toys without interjecting their opinion.

I would like to see B1000Y have it's own moderator with a little more stringent CoC. This section of the forum *could* be a clearinghouse of useful information for those who are serious about ELR. Unfortunately, a lot of serious contributors simply refuse to put up with the juvenile antics that repeatedly show up here and the rest of us suffer. We suffer by having to read this crap (not you NLY...) and we are robbed of significant contribution by those that have better things to do with their time than go back to Junior High.

I for one am sick of the playground bullies taking over the playground. Ban these guys who can't play well with others. I'd like to see this forum become a professional place.

.02

John
 
#268
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Pictures are coming, as soon as the rifle gets back (it's busy right now, but not for long). saojao will have to start a new thread when that happens; bicker free.
 
#269
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Groper, my email address is in my profile. Send me the IGES file on both of those and we will work on it as the computing cluster jobs make space.

The FS projectile may cause issues with the very complex flow around the fin base and body interaction. The solution times on the finned projectiles have shown to be extraordinarily long so don't expect any pictures of that for at least a week.

The 14.5mm that you posted we can probably get done in a couple of days.
 
#270
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Something you cook up in 3d program (Solidworks, 3ds max etc...) sure is a world value i suggest you email those files directly to Joint chiefs of staff i'm sure Medal of Honor (i'm sure you must be a very important member of Armed forces as your knowledge and etiquette is beyond limit...) is all ready reserved for you...



Bohem a question on topic what is your opinion (if you're familiar) on accuracy of Solidworks flow simulation would it be adequate to at least approximate airflows around bullet - to kind of screen what works and what doesn't (within allready known facts of external ballistic - Litz etc..). I'm toying with home bullet manufacture and in theory all seems to work however my knowledge is still lacking (not my primary field) and before i do a test run i'd like to do as much analysis as i can. I copied some GS Custom bullets (dimensions) and ran some tests to compare to my designs and all seems to fit in computer model but i'm unsure of accuracy of a "relatively" cheap software which is very general (mostly used for liquid flows and structural engineering).
 
#271
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extremist458</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bohem, you need to go to work with Mr. "Mic" McPherson. You and him would have some amazing conversations! Just be sure to record them and allow us to listen to them. </div></div>

Or not... I just read to the bottom of his posts for the conclusion. The rest just hurts my head.
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John </div></div>

LOL...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mic McPherson is a wealth of information that I would love to get access to. He's on 24hrcampfire a lot. I'm trying to find a copy of his book for under $300... if any of you guys happen to have "Designing and Forming Custom Cartridges" and would let me borrow it for a couple weeks please let me know. I'll return it with a bottle of your favorite libation.
</span>
</div></div>

I kind of agree. Although, I've heard some say don't believe anything he says. I've got his reloading book and most everything in there is 'pretty close-dead on' in what I reload for.
 
#273
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cheepz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a picture of this gun? I didnt know guns could shoot that accurately at such a great distance! </div></div>

Thats cus they really couldn't until said gun was made with said bullet.
 
#274
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Taking nothing away from the comments and opinions of those here regarding this new long range system. The History Channel show you are referring to "Sniper - Inside the Crosshairs". I was amazed at the skills of Ethan Place. Thirty-two kills, and won the Silver Star during Vigilant Resolve (Fallujah). This young man (21) was taking out insurgents running from side to side in an alley at 600 yards!

Anyway, I will be interested in seeing the new weapon. I wonder if it fires a saboted round?
 
#276
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dougster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taking nothing away from the comments and opinions of those here regarding this new long range system. The History Channel show you are referring to "Sniper - Inside the Crosshairs". I was amazed at the skills of Ethan Place. Thirty-two kills, and won the Silver Star during Vigilant Resolve (Fallujah). This young man (21) was taking out insurgents running from side to side in an alley at 600 yards!

Anyway, I will be interested in seeing the new weapon. I wonder if it fires a saboted round?</div></div>

Thank you, Whenever I do a search I always get the longest ones. This one seems a little harder to track down.
 
#278
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dougster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am thinking it may be this one?

http://www.anzioironworks.com/20MM-TAKE-DOWN-RIFLE.htm

Anzio Ironworks USA</div></div>

You would be incorrect! Nothing like Mr. Anzio's design...Dark Horse, waiting on more bullets from GS and new barrel from ABS... Already a reality, just fine tuning...
 
#280
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

What's with all the picture requests? Who F'n cares what it looks like. And from the way half of you respond to every other acpect of the project your just going to look at it and create all new uninformed speculations to sling around into the open air where no one cares what you have to say but yourselves.

I keep checking back hoping he has had a chance to update with anything but all I ever see is him having to defend himself from pointless comments.

No offence to OP, but I don't even think I will bother checking back here anymore.
 
#281
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

hey saojao, is this the EDM Warlock 14.5/15.5/20mm action you are using the same one you purchased here on the hide earlier this year? if so that thing looks beefy and am excited to see your end result.
 
#282
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

maybe it seems that people dont believe anything that he is saying? im not sure but if you look he did purchase a gnarly action that would aide in this build, maybe that will atleast show the people who call b.s. that yah he does have it. Its kinda crappy to shit on someones project but myself am stoked to see the beast.
 
#283
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryanjay11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently the haterade tastes much better than the koolaide this time. Good luck with your endeavor. I can't figure out why anyone would bash what you do with your own money. They sound like a bunch of commies. </div></div>


Pretty much.
 
#284
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmntz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe it seems that people dont believe anything that he is saying? im not sure but if you look he did purchase a gnarly action that would aide in this build, maybe that will atleast show the people who call b.s. that yah he does have it. Its kinda crappy to shit on someones project but myself am stoked to see the beast.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nmntz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe it seems that people dont believe anything that he is saying? im not sure but if you look he did purchase a gnarly action that would aide in this build, maybe that will atleast show the people who call b.s. that yah he does have it. Its kinda crappy to shit on someones project but myself am stoked to see the beast.</div></div>

Good call! I purchased an EDM Arms Warlock action this year...it has been my test bed for this project... It's a pretty neat action with interchangable bolt faces.It is very well built and strong as hell! The savage style barrel nut will come in handy with the quick change barrel system we are incorporating into the project.
I really could care less if no one believes me...
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#289
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MB198</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Neat project, lot of potential. How many men do you figure will be required to serve the weapon and how will it be mounted?</div></div>

2 person team... Mounted? It's a shoulder fired weapon system.
 
#291
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MB198</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No tri-pod with T&E? Interesting. Just one piece? </div></div>

Just one piece with a quick change barrel...Barrel and action are two seperate weight packages. (Louis's idea)
 
#293
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saojao

You packing the beast to shot show lol?</div></div>
Later said:
Saojao

The airline wasn't too thrilled when I asked if I could check it! Maybe carry on lol!
Click to expand...
 
#295
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Glad that Warlock has been getting some use. I think it was sitting in KR's shop collecting dust for years before anyone showed interest.
 
#296
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glad that Warlock has been getting some use. I think it was sitting in KR's shop collecting dust for years before anyone showed interest.</div></div>

I need a spare, if anyone has a source!
 
#298
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

Just thought I would update this post since it has been awhile. We have just received a Destructive Device exemption from the ATF, which makes this rifle a title 1 firearm. Also reworked the case, and received the reamers this week from PTG. More to come soon, as well as pics!
 
#299
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: saojao</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just thought I would update this post since it has been awhile. We have just received a Destructive Device exemption from the ATF, which makes this rifle a title 1 firearm. Also reworked the case, and received the reamers this week from PTG. More to come soon, as well as pics! </div></div>

I guess I missed this thread initially as I was recovering from surgery. I was dumbfounded by the B.S. being slung after reading through all 7 pages. For no other reason than to expand the knowledge base of those of us interested in the technical/scientific aspects of pushing the ELR envelope, I applaud your efforts. Sao, Anthony, I hope you will keep us updated as you can.

Scott
 
#300
Re: 5000 meters+ Supersonic

saojao,

Try to understand me on this. For the past day and a half I have been reading through this entire topic mainly because I've become so bored with it.

They're are not ANY pictures of the progress that you have posted. No barrels on the lathe. No precision, uber cool, alien technology type gunsmithing. Nothing.

I know you've promised pics, but you're coming across as a car salesman trying to sell me a non-exsistant Bugatti Veyron. I'm seriously thinking about becoming a Hide sponsor just so I can sell t-shirts saying "I read all of the 5000meters+supersonic thread".

So let me just say those wonderful words that have been immortalized on the Hide...

Pics or it doesn't exsist. LOL.
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