6gt

[HonkyTonk86]

My barrel was cut with an Alpha Munitions Legacy Reamer with a .120” freebore.

Anybody have any advice or suggestions applicable to me and my chamber? I do not know anything about it other than what I wrote in the line above this one, well, other than the rather obvious math of .170-.120 = .050"

Only that you might have a hard time getting the longer/heavier bullets in there like 115 dtac. Otherwise you’re good to go. My latest barrel was apparently NOT cut with an Alpha reamer and now need to go through and small base size all my alpha brass

 

[diggler1833]

.120 freebore is perfect for 100 - 107gr stuff. Once you get into exclusively the 110 A-Tip through 115 DTAC, I'd probably look into the .170 just to get optimal performance. 108/109 works great in either from what I've seen, and I have run them with success in my .120.

In all reality, we're talking only .050 difference. There are a lot of cartridges with a much wider freebore gap (.223 comes to mind) when it comes to which is optimal for specific bullets.

 

[CK1.0]

Can you get sufficient velocity out of the DTAC'S with the GT to get the most out of the BC?

The heavier weight of the projectile versus something like a 105 is what gives you the higher BC, it’s not really a question of MV.

IME DTACs hammer anywhere in the 2750-2850fps range without really having to worry about pressure issues.

 

[CK1.0]

My barrel was cut with an Alpha Munitions Legacy Reamer with a .120” freebore.

Anybody have any advice or suggestions applicable to me and my chamber? I do not know anything about it other than what I wrote in the line above this one, well, other than the rather obvious math of .170-.120 = .050"

A .120 versus .170 freebore will just limit how much you can jump, with heavier 109+ bullets you’ll be lucky if you can go as much as 20 thou off, chances are you’ll have to go more like 10 thou off… that said, it’s not a huge deal.

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Have any of you tried Berger 115gr VLD Target or 115gr VLD Hunter bullets for PRS?

I'm pondering whether if there would be value in creating a dtac like load vs Berger 105gr or 109gr hybrids. I'm trying to avoid getting into .25 cal as well.

 

[Gogga]

The heavier weight of the projectile versus something like a 105 is what gives you the higher BC, it’s not really a question of MV.

IME DTACs hammer anywhere in the 2750-2850fps range without really having to worry about pressure issues.

BC is a function of velocity. If you look at Hornady they quote different values for different velocities hence the question. 2,800 sounds sufficient though.

 

[4O6shootist]

@Malum Prohibitum, 170fb is good for everything in my opinion. My ladies backup barrel is 170fb, and 105hyb shoot very well 60-80k jump at 2950fps. 109s shoot great jumping 40k at 2920. 115s at 2840fps jumping 20k. If. You only plan to shoot 105/107gr bullets, go 120, but if you're gonna go heavier, run the 170fb

 

[CK1.0]

BC is a function of velocity. If you look at Hornady they quote different values for different velocities hence the question. 2,800 sounds sufficient though.

I know. But the size/weight is what matters.

 

[CK1.0]

Have any of you tried Berger 115gr VLD Target or 115gr VLD Hunter bullets for PRS?

I'm pondering whether if there would be value in creating a dtac like load vs Berger 105gr or 109gr hybrids. I'm trying to avoid getting into .25 cal as well.

IMHO you’re onto something here… a 112/115 going ~2800 is pretty awesome as far as being low recoil and relatively easy to spot. I’ve been shooting 106s lately after shooting a bunch of 112s and I have been missing the splash from the heavier pills a bit, there’s a difference for sure.

It seems like a huge PITA to go to 25 cal versus just shooting the heavier pills in 6mm, just for an extra ~20gn of mass and a little extra BC (in exchange for more recoil of course).

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

My barrel was cut with an Alpha Munitions Legacy Reamer with a .120” freebore.

Anybody have any advice or suggestions applicable to me and my chamber? I do not know anything about it other than what I wrote in the line above this one, well, other than the rather obvious math of .170-.120 = .050"

@Malum Prohibitum, 170fb is good for everything in my opinion. My ladies backup barrel is 170fb, and 105hyb shoot very well 60-80k jump at 2950fps. 109s shoot great jumping 40k at 2920. 115s at 2840fps jumping 20k. If. You only plan to shoot 105/107gr bullets, go 120, but if you're gonna go heavier, run the 170fb

I don't have a choice at this point in time. Maybe on the next barrel.

 

[davere]

I don't have a choice at this point in time. Maybe on the next barrel.

For what it's worth, you actually can have your gunsmith lengthen the throat, if desired, using a throating reamer. Obviously, if you had a .170 FB, you couldn't get to a .120 without setting the barrel back, but going longer is relatively easy.

 

[davere]

For what it's worth, you actually can have your gunsmith lengthen the throat, if desired, using a throating reamer. Obviously, if you had a .170 FB, you couldn't get to a .120 without setting the barrel back, but going longer is relatively easy.

Or... shoot 1000 rounds, and you'll pretty much be there anyway? LOL

 

[drglock]

Can you get sufficient velocity out of the DTAC'S with the GT to get the most out of the BC?

That’s the great thing about the DTACS , you don’t have to push them hard. Last years barrel I ran them at 2775fps with a trued BC of .310 . Shot them in matches out to 1300. This years barrel Im shooting them at 2815fps with a trued BC of .313. Don’t know if it’s just them or that I’m using Proof 1-7 blanks but they both shoot the smallest groups at 500 and 1000 than any other bullet barrel combo. My new barrel has a .185 freebore.

 

[drglock]

My son’s load last year was 107 SMK’s at 2910fps. We shot a troop line with the furthest target being 1040yds. My load was the DTACS at 2775fps. I was a .1 more elevation but or wind hold was exactly the same. Both of these were 6GT’s

 

[davere]

My son’s load last year was 107 SMK’s at 2910fps. We shot a troop line with the furthest target being 1040yds. My load was the DTACS at 2775fps. I was a .1 more elevation but or wind hold was exactly the same. Both of these were 6GT’s

What's really enlightening is looking at how much of a wind change will push you off a target at a given distance. I don't really care what number I have to dial on the elevation turret (as long as its consistent) - and I've learned not to care what the exact number I have to dial/hold for wind is, either. What helps me the most is how wind tolerant the bullet is - how much can my wind call be off, or how much does the wind have to fluctuate before I'm off target. And then how much retained energy at each distance...

I did an analysis between a bunch of 6mm bullets before I ended up selecting Berger 108 BTs (they were available, which was important, but I could've waited or bought a smaller amount, etc). What's nuts is how little difference there is between most bullets for wind tolerance. Consider a 2 MOA target. At 1000 yards using the same muzzle velocity, every bullet I looked at but one had a wind tolerance of about 2 mph - and one that was better (the A-Tip, of course) was only 2.5mph. It's not a lot of difference in terms of keeping bullets on target at distance. The A-Tip and the Berger 109 both have a bit more tolerance at 600y than the others. (5mph vs 4 mph).

Where I *have* noticed the difference is retained energy. I'll hit targes at 1000 and there's not a whole lot going on (467 ft lbs at 1000), where an A-Tip at the same starting velocity will have more than 20% more energy...

 

[drglock]

What's really enlightening is looking at how much of a wind change will push you off a target at a given distance. I don't really care what number I have to dial on the elevation turret (as long as its consistent) - and I've learned not to care what the exact number I have to dial/hold for wind is, either. What helps me the most is how wind tolerant the bullet is - how much can my wind call be off, or how much does the wind have to fluctuate before I'm off target. And then how much retained energy at each distance...

I did an analysis between a bunch of 6mm bullets before I ended up selecting Berger 108 BTs (they were available, which was important, but I could've waited or bought a smaller amount, etc). What's nuts is how little difference there is between most bullets for wind tolerance. Consider a 2 MOA target. At 1000 yards using the same muzzle velocity, every bullet I looked at but one had a wind tolerance of about 2 mph - and one that was better (the A-Tip, of course) was only 2.5mph. It's not a lot of difference in terms of keeping bullets on target at distance. The A-Tip and the Berger 109 both have a bit more tolerance at 600y than the others. (5mph vs 4 mph).

Where I *have* noticed the difference is retained energy. I'll hit targes at 1000 and there's not a whole lot going on (467 ft lbs at 1000), where an A-Tip at the same starting velocity will have more than 20% more energy...

You’ll have more wind change with 108’s than you will 115 DTACS. I’m finishing out an old barrel right now using 108 BT’s and there’s definitely a difference between the two.

6mph and 10mph

108’s

115’s

 

[davere]

You’ll have more wind change with 108’s than you will 115 DTACS. I’m finishing out an old barrel right now using 108 BT’s and there’s definitely a difference between the two.

6mph and 10mph

108’s
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115’s

DTACs weren't part of my analysis (at the time, they were seemingly less available than berger 109s) - but to do apples to apples - what's the spread between W1 and W2 on your Kestrel, there?

To be clear, I'm not saying DTACs are in some way inferior (or any other bullet, for that matter). By BC, the DTAC should be in the same situation as the A-Tip as far as my analysis goes. My point is that there's not a dramatic difference on target vs. the ability to make a 100% accurate wind call, and the ability to read changing conditions (but that retained energy - and therefore ease of spotting hits/misses at distance - is definitely significant).

 

[drglock]

but to do apples to apples - what's the spread between W1 and W2 on your Kestrel, there?

Wind 6mph and 10mph
108’s .7 spread
115 DTACS .6 spread

Doesn’t sound like much but you’d have to push the 108’s at 3000fps to get them the same as the DTACs

And yes it all comes down to making good wind calls no matter your bullet or it’s speed

 

[davere]

Doesn’t sound like much but you’d have to push the 108’s at 3000fps to get them the same as the DTACs

I ran my numbers at 90 degrees (vs 52) - which should pull you down to about a 2mph change crossing .5 mil with the 108.. and I'd guess about 3mph with the DTAC (same as A-Tip). Don't have my Kestrel in front of me to do it myself, but looks like that'd line up. But at 1000, you've got what, 550 ft/lbs retained energy? Maybe more? After shooting these 108s for a while, that's actually a bit more significant for me than the wind difference at 1000 yards.

That said - they're available, and significantly cheaper than any of the yellow box bullets, and far cheaper than the A-Tip - price per performance, hard to beat that way...

 

[drglock]

Same , love the impacts the 115’s make.

 

[Buck Lawman]

Just got a 20 inch 6GT barrel in from Altus, very impressed with how it works. Had a few loaded rounds left for my 26 inch match barrel so I shot those through it. 65 rounds total today hammered all day long. MV 2752 SD 7.5 The same load in my 26 inch barrel does MV2890 SD3.1. They did the badger EFR in the stock as well. Great stuff, very happy with how this thing is coming together!

 

[JaoeyP]

Haven't gotten into my 2nd GT barrel, yet, so I haven't seen it there, but definitely seen it with other cartridges - especially when swapping barrels. Basically, the very bottom of the case isn't getting sized down and eventually expands just a bit.

The fix for .308 case head size cases is actually surprisingly easy (at least, it has been for me, in the past). Get a Lee .45 ACP U-die (undersize sizing die), take the decapping stem out of it, and run your cases through it. It's a carbide die for a straight wall pistol case, so it's just a sizing ring - won't bump your shoulders or anything like that (which is something that *will* happen with cartridges that have a small base die - to full size the base, you end up squishing your shoulders back a lot, too). Then do a normal sizing die pass.

OMG I'm so glad I found this!! Thank you for posting this solution. I'm getting ready to go from barrel #2 to barrel #3 and I COULD NOT get my brass to freely chamber in #3. Thought I was going to have to scrap almost 400 pieces of 4x fired Alpha.


Interestingly- Hornady, Widden, and Forster 6GT dies wouldn't size far enough down the base but my buddy's RCBS Matchmaster would.

Also running the brass through the Lee 45acp undersized die works for me as well.

 

[wildturkey2]

Just got a 20 inch 6GT barrel in from Altus, very impressed with how it works. Had a few loaded rounds left for my 26 inch match barrel so I shot those through it. 65 rounds total today hammered all day long. MV 2752 SD 7.5 The same load in my 26 inch barrel does MV2890 SD3.1. They did the badger EFR in the stock as well. Great stuff, very happy with how this thing is coming together!
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looks good got lapua brass on back order & ordering a barrel fro krieger already got rifle just going to switch barrels

 

[davere]

Also running the brass through the Lee 45acp


Interestingly- Hornady, Widden, and Forster 6GT dies wouldn't size far enough down the base but my buddy's RCBS Matchmaster would.

Redding dies, too, for calibers they make. I ran into it initially with 6.5 Creed. No one made a small base die for it - was trying to figure out other options - but didn’t want to set my shoulders way back, either.

I forget where I came across the .45 ACP die trick - here or accurateshooter.com, most likely, works like a champ!

Glad it helped!

 

[4O6shootist]

OMG I'm so glad I found this!! Thank you for posting this solution. I'm getting ready to go from barrel #2 to barrel #3 and I COULD NOT get my brass to freely chamber in #3. Thought I was going to have to scrap almost 400 pieces of 4x fired Alpha.


Interestingly- Hornady, Widden, and Forster 6GT dies wouldn't size far enough down the base but my buddy's RCBS Matchmaster would.

Also running the brass through the Lee 45acp undersized die works for me as well.

Or just buy a RCBS matchmaster fl bushing die. It sizes tight as hell. My original 700x pcs 6gt ocd from 4 years ago, has idk, 8-10 firings on it. Several barrels now. I don't run hot, 2850-2950 with 109-115gr bullets in 28" barrels with H4350. They still come out the die @ 470-47025 using my micrometer. Never had a clicker cept when I sized one rotation with a BC Micron die that I bought on here. The RCBS sized the web down almost 001 smaller than the spendy BC die. Sold it very shortly after, ran all that brass through the RCBS, clickers gone.......

 

[JaoeyP]

Or just buy a RCBS matchmaster fl bushing die. It sizes tight as hell. My original 700x pcs 6gt ocd from 4 years ago, has idk, 8-10 firings on it. Several barrels now. I don't run hot, 2850-2950 with 109-115gr bullets in 28" barrels with H4350. They still come out the die @ 470-47025 using my micrometer. Never had a clicker cept when I sized one rotation with a BC Micron die that I bought on here. The RCBS sized the web down almost 001 smaller than the spendy BC die. Sold it very shortly after, ran all that brass through the RCBS, clickers gone.......

For sure I would have resized everything with a RCBS Matchmaster before tossing the brass.

 

[Gogga]

Or just buy a RCBS matchmaster fl bushing die. It sizes tight as hell. My original 700x pcs 6gt ocd from 4 years ago, has idk, 8-10 firings on it. Several barrels now. I don't run hot, 2850-2950 with 109-115gr bullets in 28" barrels with H4350. They still come out the die @ 470-47025 using my micrometer. Never had a clicker cept when I sized one rotation with a BC Micron die that I bought on here. The RCBS sized the web down almost 001 smaller than the spendy BC die. Sold it very shortly after, ran all that brass through the RCBS, clickers gone.......

Good to know as that's exactly what I've ordered. How many rounds are your barrels lasting? I'm looking at running the same bullets/speed/barrel length as you.

 

[4O6shootist]

Good to know as that's exactly what I've ordered. How many rounds are your barrels lasting? I'm looking at running the same bullets/speed/barrel length as you.

I pull em at 2500. Running a cool powder is important. H4350 VS varget or rl16 makes a difference. My first I ran rl16 at 2950mv, 1800 rounds and fire cracking was so bad it'd tear up jackets and down range performance suffered. Still shot pretty well inside 400y. But the BC was all over from bullet damage. It coppered like a mofo too. My hawkhill barrels have been great. Glad I still have 6 more blanks on the shelf.

 

[Gogga]

I pull em at 2500. Running a cool powder is important. H4350 VS varget or rl16 makes a difference. My first I ran rl16 at 2950mv, 1800 rounds and fire cracking was so bad it'd tear up jackets and down range performance suffered. Still shot pretty well inside 400y. But the BC was all over from bullet damage. It coppered like a mofo too. My hawkhill barrels have been great. Glad I still have 6 more blanks on the shelf.

Yes, the challenge is going to be finding something equivalent to H4350 as we can't get that anymore here. N150 might be close.

 

[4O6shootist]

N150 burns at a fair faster rate in my experience in the gt. My ladies first barrel was around 32.8gr with N150 to run a 107smk at 2950, the equivalent charge of H4350 was 36.1gr. I've never tried N160 in the GT. Fellas do use N555, and it's very much unlike the rest the N5XX series powders in that it's cool burning, although slower than H4350 by a bit, you'd likely need to run 37-37.5gr. But it'd be a nice full case!

Yes, the challenge is going to be finding something equivalent to H4350 as we can't get that anymore here. N150 might be close.

 

[Hickswr]

You guys are really over thinking the BC and velocity aspect.

There’s a reason why the guys winning PRS matches are running 105 Hybrids sub 2900 fps and a lot sub 2850.

Sure the DTACs beat the 105s on paper and cost every time but it never seems to work out that way in competition.

 

[DubfromGA]

Loaded some incremental charges of SW Precision pushing 105gr MB last week.

Went to the range yesterday....finally had a chance to shoot the new 6GT rifle.


No pressure signs whatsoever.

Will load some more at 33.8gr for next session.

Also took a 6.5CM to shoot.

Brass was deprimed & cleaned when I got home.

Zero feeding problems whatsoever with the 6GT in AIAW mags. Gotta love the irony of a magazine labelled "arctic warfare" running like a champ in hot as balls, humid has hell conditions. The gun ran great.

The 6.5CM fed like shit. Could hardly get through a single friggin magazine without trouble.

 

[4O6shootist]

You guys are really over thinking the BC and velocity aspect.

There’s a reason why the guys winning PRS matches are running 105 Hybrids sub 2900 fps and a lot sub 2850.

Sure the DTACs beat the 105s on paper and cost every time but it never seems to work out that way in competition.

You have another 3-4gr powder cap over the br variants that you're speaking of. So why not run a dtac or 112mb at the same velocity those guys are running 105s? Been running the 115s 2820/2880 in 26-30" tubes with 35.6-36.0 H4350. It works very well. My favorite is my 65cm with 153.5 Bergers at 2620-2630fps.

 

[GenericBadGuy]

You guys are really over thinking the BC and velocity aspect.

There’s a reason why the guys winning PRS matches are running 105 Hybrids sub 2900 fps and a lot sub 2850.

Sure the DTACs beat the 105s on paper and cost every time but it never seems to work out that way in competition.

I recognize Litz's point about BC consistency with the 105 hybrids.

But I'm over here like these shooters also win for reasons other than just bullet choice though. Like you give those shooters dtacs and it'll work out.

 

[4O6shootist]

I recognize Litz's point about BC consistency with the 105 hybrids.

But I'm over here like these shooters also win for reasons other than just bullet choice though. Like you give those shooters dtacs and it'll work out.

I mean, those guys shooting a 105s in a dasher at 2850 could run 110 atips at 2730 and have same wind holds. All these rifles do the same thing, some have more recoil, more energy on target, some less. There's so many ways a guy can play this game.

 

[Hickswr]

You have another 3-4gr powder cap over the br variants that you're speaking of. So why not run a dtac or 112mb at the same velocity those guys are running 105s? Been running the 115s 2820/2880 in 26-30" tubes with 35.6-36.0 H4350. It works very well. My favorite is my 65cm with 153.5 Bergers at 2620-2630fps.

Again it sounds good in theory, but when you shoot the matchburners at distance (on paper) against the bergers, you’ll understand why the berger is the better option. At least that was my experience with the 112MB and 110SMK.

I’ve never fired a DTAC but would like to play with some just to satisfy my curiosity. However I suspect I already know the answer or else the folks on the podium would be using them.

 

[Gogga]

N150 burns at a fair faster rate in my experience in the gt. My ladies first barrel was around 32.8gr with N150 to run a 107smk at 2950, the equivalent charge of H4350 was 36.1gr. I've never tried N160 in the GT. Fellas do use N555, and it's very much unlike the rest the N5XX series powders in that it's cool burning, although slower than H4350 by a bit, you'd likely need to run 37-37.5gr. But it'd be a nice full case!

I am keeping my eyes open for some N555 too but everything is sold out here at the moment. I'm aiming for midrange F-Class targets so I don't have some of the same issues the PRS guys have with recoil or splash. I want reduced wind drift most of all to keep me competitive with with the 6BR and 6.5CM people I shoot with

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Again it sounds good in theory, but when you shoot the matchburners at distance (on paper) against the bergers, you’ll understand why the berger is the better option. At least that was my experience with the 112MB and 110SMK.

I’ve never fired a DTAC but would like to play with some just to satisfy my curiosity. However I suspect I already know the answer or else the folks on the podium would be using them.

Are you saying specifically compared against Berger 105gr Hybrids or Berger in general? Like for example, what about the Berger 115gr VLDs or the new Berger 109gr Hybrids?

 

[Hickswr]

Are you saying specifically compared against Berger 105gr Hybrids or Berger in general? Like for example, what about the Berger 115gr VLDs or the new Berger 109gr Hybrids?

I’ve only used 105 & 109 Hybrids. I’ve read the VLDS are seating depth sensitive and I know the hybrids are not. Throat will erode 0.010 over the course of a 2-day match and tuneup, so I have no desire to shoot a bullet that is finicky about seating depth.

 

[ncyotecaller]

My first outing with 6GT. It’s a Bartlien that was a 6BR with 1500ish rounds on we chopped the entire chamber off and rechambered to 6 GT.

 

[CK1.0]

Again it sounds good in theory, but when you shoot the matchburners at distance (on paper) against the bergers, you’ll understand why the berger is the better option. At least that was my experience with the 112MB and 110SMK.

I’ve never fired a DTAC but would like to play with some just to satisfy my curiosity. However I suspect I already know the answer or else the folks on the podium would be using them.

There have been a lot of matches one with DTACs, and when guys win it has a lot more to do with the Indian than the arrow.

Realistically, if a guy was cheap and had a comparator and a good enough scale, he could beat Berger or anybody else's standards just by sorting.

Generally speaking, a $.60 bullet is going to be more consistent than a $.30 bullet (for the cost difference, it should be at least). But, guys are kidding themselves if they think a bullet that costs twice as much always means it's twice as good. The differences between a random box of Match Burners and/or boring Hornady HPBT's and a box of Hybrid Target's or A-Tips isn't as vast as some might think. I know more than a couple of guys who will never even make it into the mid-pack (let alone out of it) who only shoot Bergers and/or A-Tips lol.

 

[4O6shootist]

There have been a lot of matches one with DTACs, and when guys win it has a lot more to do with the Indian than the arrow.

Realistically, if a guy was cheap and had a comparator and a good enough scale, he could beat Berger or anybody else's standards just by sorting.

Generally speaking, a $.60 bullet is going to be more consistent than a $.30 bullet (for the cost difference, it should be at least). But, guys are kidding themselves if they think a bullet that costs twice as much always means it's twice as good. The differences between a random box of Match Burners and/or boring Hornady HPBT's and a box of Hybrid Target's or A-Tips isn't as vast as some might think. I know more than a couple of guys who will never even make it into the mid-pack who only shoot Bergers and/or A-Tips lol.

I can agree with this 100%. Even a 5% bc es spread isn't going to be noticeable on a target. Take a 112 MB for example, I've used them with a 308g7 to 1200y. Anyways, run a ballistics chart at 301g7, and another at 315g7. Difference is not even a tenth/elevation till you get to 1k yards. Now the 112s I had from 4-5 years ago, were junk. Huge bto variation, weights were all over, and the pressure rings were of different diameters. I only use those to season a new barrels first 100-150 rounds. However the last 2500 I bought this spring, have been very consistent. Sierra 107s are as consistent dimensionally as any Berger within the same lot. There is noticeable changes lot to lot, but my Berger 156s from last fall, have a base to ogive 0.030 longer than the ones I acquired 4 years ago, 30 thou is a huge fn difference. I've shot a lot of 109s, 140s, 154s, and there is always variation from lot to lot, all the newer from last 2 years seem to have longer bearing surfaces than my older lots.

 

[Hickswr]

There have been a lot of matches one with DTACs, and when guys win it has a lot more to do with the Indian than the arrow.

Realistically, if a guy was cheap and had a comparator and a good enough scale, he could beat Berger or anybody else's standards just by sorting.

Generally speaking, a $.60 bullet is going to be more consistent than a $.30 bullet (for the cost difference, it should be at least). But, guys are kidding themselves if they think a bullet that costs twice as much always means it's twice as good. The differences between a random box of Match Burners and/or boring Hornady HPBT's and a box of Hybrid Target's or A-Tips isn't as vast as some might think. I know more than a couple of guys who will never even make it into the mid-pack (let alone out of it) who only shoot Bergers and/or A-Tips lol.

Cost certainly isn’t always indicative of performance, even though I’d argue it should be. Bergers definitely aren’t twice as good as any bullet nor are they twice as expensive.

Who is winning 2-day PRS matches with DTACS?

I think Nick Gadarzi is winning with Nosler RDFs and those bullets don’t have the best “internet reputation” at all. I’ve never fired a RDF so I don’t have an opinion on them.

 

[CK1.0]

Cost certainly isn’t always indicative of performance, even though I’d argue it should be. Bergers definitely aren’t twice as good as any bullet nor are they twice as expensive.

Who is winning 2-day PRS matches with DTACS?

I think Nick Gadarzi is winning with Nosler RDFs and those bullets don’t have the best “internet reputation” at all. I’ve never fired a RDF so I don’t have an opinion on them.

IDK who's won using them most recently, but guys were winning matches with DTACs a couple/few years ago, so there's no reason why one couldn't win matches with them today. Most of the top guys are either shooting for Berger or Hornady, but they could win with anything because it's their skill that makes the difference.

Too many guys play follow the leader when it comes to gear and components without testing things for themselves to see what actually matters. Most shooters would probably be better off shooting a cheaper bullet if cost-wise it allowed them to get more time behind the rifle and practice more.

There's a lot of Ford versus Chevy style brand loyalty with components where guys make blanket statements about so-and-so's bullets being terrible after only trying a 100 when their usual they've shot thousands of aren't available, when in reality the difference between their usual and the other brand isn't as big as they think lol.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Anyone got any suggestions for hunting bullets for 6GT? would 109 Bergers work for white tail at ~300y?

The 108eld-m (and I assume 109s) are straight murder seeds on whitetail.

I shot berger 140 elite hunters (260) last year and they are violent especially sub 100yards.

Both pics are exit side. The shoulder hole would be the armpit essentially. Shot at about 75yds

 

[Kadams1563]

The 108eld-m (and I assume 109s) are straight murder seeds on whitetail.

I shot berger 140 elite hunters (260) last year and they are violent especially sub 100yards.

Both pics are exit side. The shoulder hole would be the armpit essentially. Shot at about 75yds

We will be finding out this year about the 109 eld’s.

 

[4O6shootist]

We will be finding out this year about the 109 eld’s.

Myself as well. I have 109eld at 3080 from a 22" barrel, shoots really well, 112 Barnes at 3050 same rifle, shoots equally as well. I'll be testing these two bullets on lots of game this fall. Had great luck with the 108 elite hunter last year at 3050mv from 400-730y.

 

[Hickswr]

Myself as well. I have 109eld at 3080 from a 22" barrel, shoots really well, 112 Barnes at 3050 same rifle, shoots equally as well. I'll be testing these two bullets on lots of game this fall. Had great luck with the 108 elite hunter last year at 3050mv from 400-730y.

Assuming this a 6GT, what powder are you using to obtain those velocities from a 22” barrel.

 

[4O6shootist]

Assuming this a 6GT, what powder are you using to obtain those velocities from a 22” barrel.

These are 6cm velocity. I do have a 112mb load for my 24" 6gt running H4350. Shoots really well at 2910. Bout 0.7gr below pressure signs.

 

[Gogga]

These are 6cm velocity. I do have a 112mb load for my 24" 6gt running H4350. Shoots really well at 2910. Bout 0.7gr below pressure signs.

Good speed. I'm thinking of a 26" barrel. Targeting 2850 with a 115gr.