Accuracy International Picture Thread

[blbennett1288]

@HD1911 @FUNCTIONAL @xxflyingturtlexx @M8541Reaper

Okay I’ll play TT fan boy. I have owned TT 525P, NF ATACR 7-35 & 4-16, S&B PMII 5-25, Minox ZP5 5-25, Vortex AMG and Razors, Steiner T5xi, Leupold MK6, and Kahles 525. I have not owned a Leupy MK5, Henny, nor ZCO, but have looked through and shot through enough to make a fair call on them.

I would honestly only consider TT, ZCO, Minox, S&B, and NF “top tier”.

Minox ZP5 reticle is awesome, pretty much set it and forget it parallax, and glass is in line with TT and ZCO. Cost is great, but you have to live with that a warranty issue will take a while to resolve or you have an expensive brick. Turrets are okay, not great.

ZCO I can’t get past the turrets, reticles, or parallax. The image is massive and a pleasure to look through, but it’s not enough to edge out over other options.

S&B and NF are not the best at any one thing, nor does anything really stand out as excellent / great, but is good at everything. Just all around solid scopes

TT parallax and turrets are second to none. Image is top tier, if not the best. The reticle Gen2XR and Gen3XR took a while to get used to, its not as intuitive as other reticles, but once figured out worked really well.

I sold my first TT for a Atacr 7-35 and I would have no problem going back to an ATACR 7-35 MIL-XT if I had to, but I am plenty happy with the TT.

 

[M8541Reaper]

@HD1911 @FUNCTIONAL @xxflyingturtlexx @M8541Reaper

Okay I’ll play TT fan boy. I have owned TT 525P, NF ATACR 7-35 & 4-16, S&B PMII 5-25, Minox ZP5 5-25, Vortex AMG and Razors, Steiner T5xi, Leupold MK6, and Kahles 525. I have not owned a Leupy MK5, Henny, nor ZCO, but have looked through and shot through enough to make a fair call on them.

I would honestly only consider TT, ZCO, Minox, S&B, and NF “top tier”.

Minox ZP5 reticle is awesome, pretty much set it and forget it parallax, and glass is in line with TT and ZCO. Cost is great, but you have to live with that a warranty issue will take a while to resolve or you have an expensive brick. Turrets are okay, not great.

ZCO I can’t get past the turrets, reticles, or parallax. The image is massive and a pleasure to look through, but it’s not enough to edge out over other options.

S&B and NF are not the best at any one thing, nor does anything really stand out as excellent / great, but is good at everything. Just all around solid scopes

TT parallax and turrets are second to none. Image is top tier, if not the best. The reticle Gen2XR and Gen3XR took a while to get used to, its not as intuitive as other reticles, but once figured out worked really well.

I sold my first TT for a Atacr 7-35 and I would have no problem going back to an ATACR 7-35 MIL-XT if I had to, but I am plenty happy with the TT.

I was hesitant about the Gen3XR Fine reticle but after using it in an ELR and PRS match, it’s kind of grown on me. I think the toolless zero feature is enough to get me to keep it moving forward.

Then again…another Arken video popped up randomly in my feed so maybe I should just sell it and buy 15 Arken scopes.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Any of the AXSR owners here ever compile an actual list of the hardware specs on the complete rifle?

Pic tax as it’s almost match time:

#TacClassSass
#TacSassHero
#GotStarsInHisEyes
#BuyMyBathWaterSoICanShootMore
#NotSponsored
#Yet

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

@HD1911 @FUNCTIONAL @xxflyingturtlexx @M8541Reaper

Okay I’ll play TT fan boy. I have owned TT 525P, NF ATACR 7-35 & 4-16, S&B PMII 5-25, Minox ZP5 5-25, Vortex AMG and Razors, Steiner T5xi, Leupold MK6, and Kahles 525. I have not owned a Leupy MK5, Henny, nor ZCO, but have looked through and shot through enough to make a fair call on them.

I would honestly only consider TT, ZCO, Minox, S&B, and NF “top tier”.

Minox ZP5 reticle is awesome, pretty much set it and forget it parallax, and glass is in line with TT and ZCO. Cost is great, but you have to live with that a warranty issue will take a while to resolve or you have an expensive brick. Turrets are okay, not great.

ZCO I can’t get past the turrets, reticles, or parallax. The image is massive and a pleasure to look through, but it’s not enough to edge out over other options.

S&B and NF are not the best at any one thing, nor does anything really stand out as excellent / great, but is good at everything. Just all around solid scopes

TT parallax and turrets are second to none. Image is top tier, if not the best. The reticle Gen2XR and Gen3XR took a while to get used to, its not as intuitive as other reticles, but once figured out worked really well.

I sold my first TT for a Atacr 7-35 and I would have no problem going back to an ATACR 7-35 MIL-XT if I had to, but I am plenty happy with the TT.

Gen 2xr is actually one of my top preferred reticles. I need something between the Gen2xr and Tremor3 to have a perfect reticle. I like how the gen2xr is less busy but I do like a lot of the features of the T3. If the T3 had a lot of the fluff thats not needed pulled from it, make the wind dots smaller, add a little on the top horizontal for hold unders and it would be perfect.

Other than that I agree with your overall assessment. The glass on the ZCO and TT are more clear but it was the edges that screwed with my head. Had I had either for a longer time I probably would have learned to like it but I also didnt feel they offered enough to abandon my S&Bs and ATACRs.

I owned a Premier 3-15 and like an idiot sold it. That was easily my second favorite scope I've ever owned. Turrets, zeroing, parallax were all perfect with exceptional glass. My 3-12x50 PMii is my gold standard when it comes to glass and parallax forgiveness. Nothing has topped it for me in those 2 categories.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

@HD1911 @FUNCTIONAL @xxflyingturtlexx @M8541Reaper

Okay I’ll play TT fan boy. I have owned TT 525P, NF ATACR 7-35 & 4-16, S&B PMII 5-25, Minox ZP5 5-25, Vortex AMG and Razors, Steiner T5xi, Leupold MK6, and Kahles 525. I have not owned a Leupy MK5, Henny, nor ZCO, but have looked through and shot through enough to make a fair call on them.

I would honestly only consider TT, ZCO, Minox, S&B, and NF “top tier”.

Minox ZP5 reticle is awesome, pretty much set it and forget it parallax, and glass is in line with TT and ZCO. Cost is great, but you have to live with that a warranty issue will take a while to resolve or you have an expensive brick. Turrets are okay, not great.

ZCO I can’t get past the turrets, reticles, or parallax. The image is massive and a pleasure to look through, but it’s not enough to edge out over other options.

S&B and NF are not the best at any one thing, nor does anything really stand out as excellent / great, but is good at everything. Just all around solid scopes

TT parallax and turrets are second to none. Image is top tier, if not the best. The reticle Gen2XR and Gen3XR took a while to get used to, its not as intuitive as other reticles, but once figured out worked really well.

I sold my first TT for a Atacr 7-35 and I would have no problem going back to an ATACR 7-35 MIL-XT if I had to, but I am plenty happy with the TT.

It took 15 shots with a 5-27 ZCO for me, nope! You are pretty spot on

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

A NF optic is like a Glock. You know it will always work and you can trust your life with it, but you’ll be looked down on by snobs because it isn’t cool anymore.

I’ll die on this hill… the toolless zero feature on the TT should be on EVERY high end optic out there. I just love it so much hahaha

Hey, I have been carrying a glock since 2003. I can own pretty much any pistol I want, but default setting is pretty kosher

 

[Dr. Strangeglove]

Any of the AXSR owners here ever compile an actual list of the hardware specs on the complete rifle?

Pic tax as it’s almost match time:
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#TacClassSass
#TacSassHero
#GotStarsInHisEyes
#BuyMyBathWaterSoICanShootMore
#NotSponsored
#Yet

Is that the SKB case cut for an AX from EuroOptic or is that a #TacClassHeroSpecial?

 

[M8541Reaper]

Hey, I have been carrying a glock since 2003. I can own pretty much any pistol I want, but default setting is pretty kosher

My main go to since 2006 has been my Gen3 G17. Might be getting a staccato P as an end of season gift in October. All the cool kids here have em so I obvi wanna be cool too…plus they’re tired of me outshooting them with my 17

Is that the SKB case cut for an AX from EuroOptic or is that a #TacClassHeroSpecial?

Sir…that is absolutely a #TacClassHeroSpecial hahaha

 

[diggler1833]

Are we still making fun of gun cases? Because I'm just going to take my Plano and go home if we are...

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

 

[M8541Reaper]

Are we still making fun of gun cases? Because I'm just going to take my Plano and go home if we are...

This is a safe space sir. A judgement free zone. The planet fitness of acceptance.

 

[diggler1833]

This is a safe space sir. A judgement free zone. The planet fitness of acceptance.

Post a photo of your rig wearing an Arken and then say that...

 

[taliv]

It’s judgement free because nobody has posted a pic of an arken yet

As for case, I’m just using the eberlestock scabbard. I kinda want a cool custom cut foam one but getting on a plane these days is a death wish so I don’t guess I need a hard case

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

Woah woah woah, nothing but good things with the vortex GenIII 6-36,
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

 

[Huskydriver]

Woah woah woah, nothing but good things with the vortex GenIII 6-36,
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

 

[diggler1833]

That's like a string a bad choices all in one photo...like every girl that's given you chlamydia lined up next to each other.

Maybe that's just me. Maybe I'm just projecting. Whatever.

 

[carbonbased]

This is a safe space sir. A judgement free zone. The planet fitness of acceptance.

Post a photo of your rig wearing an Arken Vortex G3 and then say that...

FIFY (in your case)

 

[diggler1833]

FIFY

Well, to tell a family secret... My AT-X wears a G3R.

And my Grandmother was Dutch.

 

[taliv]

Hey what do you guys use for height over bore on an AXSR?
(Ie height from center of bore to top of pic rail? Plus the 1.53” mount)

 

[Kopfjager1]

I think those 3 MARS-Mc completely negate any "poor person" optic.

I was using 2.78" with my Spuhr 1.5" mount (0 MOA), but with my COMM Maxx 1.54" Im getting 2.82", which obviously adds up.

 

[Huskydriver]

Hey what do you guys use for height over bore on an AXSR?
(Ie height from center of bore to top of pic rail? Plus the 1.53” mount)

Wut? No you fold the stock to the side get out your measuring stick and measure from the center of your scope occular to the firing pin cocking indicator

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

MARS Mc…… Those are just MARS.
Did get some time behind a MC for a day and thought is was a good alternative, but I enjoy having the IR capabilities

 

[wizardpc]

Post a photo of your rig wearing an Arken and then say that...

Accuracy International Picture Thread

Can you put the link up for the source of the Bipod, please? I'm wondering if that will work on an AI-AT... Here you go: https://www.eliteiron.com/product/revolution-bipod-standard-steel-model/ I’d check out the Long Range Accuracy bipod that EuroOptic carries as well

www.snipershide.com

 

[wizardpc]

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Fun fact my home range bans rifle cases. You have to uncase at your vehicle.

 

[its_sean]

I put an mlok attachment for a QD sling and didn’t realize for the last couple days it was pushing my barrel to the side.

Shouldn’t affect it right? Just rezero maybe. I’m sad lol barrel has scars now

 

[Huskydriver]

I put an mlok attachment for a QD sling and didn’t realize for the last couple days it was pushing my barrel to the side.

Shouldn’t affect it right? Just rezero maybe. I’m sad lol barrel has scars now

You realize that is the exact reason they come with keyslot

 

[its_sean]

You realize that is the exact reason they come with keyslot

I mean this one is made by AI too with mlok I guess I see that as an advantage of key slot but it was annoying being limited by things we could attach.

 

[its_sean]

I suppose the handgard moved not the barrel so probably not a big deal. The barrel contour gives less clearance there so I’ll have to be more careful.

 

[hafejd30]

I suppose the handgard moved not the barrel so probably not a big deal. The barrel contour gives less clearance there so I’ll have to be more careful.

You didn’t damage it if that’s what you’re worried about

This is exactly the argument made for the keyslot “penis” system.

Not only is the keyslot much stronger due to the design. But the screws sit flush with the inside of the forend

What you did is minimal. Having rails on there and removing/installing barrels with screws sticking could damage tenon threads or very least scratch the barrel. It also limits your barrel profile size as it takes up room inside the forend vs keyslot

Keyslot for the win. Other than rails and maybe a QD sling mount I can’t think of a lot more you’d really need to attach.

People mention cheaper accessories and I mean yeah the rails are expensive but if $80-$90 is holding you back from getting one for your $10,000 AI then you probably went down the wrong road to begin with

 

[its_sean]

You didn’t damage it if that’s what you’re worried about

This is exactly the argument made for the keyslot “penis” system.

Not only is the keyslot much stronger due to the design. But the screws sit flush with the inside of the forend

What you did is minimal. Having rails on there and removing/installing barrels with screws sticking could damage tenon threads or very least scratch the barrel. It also limits your barrel profile size as it takes up room inside the forend vs keyslot

Keyslot for the win. Other than rails and maybe a QD sling mount I can’t think of a lot more you’d really need to attach.

People mention cheaper accessories and I mean yeah the rails are expensive but if $80-$90 is holding you back from getting one for your $10,000 AI then you probably went down the wrong road to begin with

Yeah it all makes sense to me now. I just wanted a longer forend rail with integrated arca for my axsa so i grabbed the first one and it happened to be the mlok model. Wasn’t a money thing more of availability.

Only things I’m attaching are 2 round quiver (which doesn’t seem to touch the barrel even by the widest contour), weights, and a QD attachment.

 

[carbonbased]

I put an mlok attachment for a QD sling and didn’t realize for the last couple days it was pushing my barrel to the side.

Shouldn’t affect it right? Just rezero maybe. I’m sad lol barrel has scars now

I did that on an AR with MLOK.

Gah! MSUK is more like it.

 

[stanley_white]

I have filed down many an MLOK screw to avoid touching a barrel.

-Stan

 

[Huskydriver]

I mean this one is made by AI too with mlok I guess I see that as an advantage of key slot but it was annoying being limited by things we could attach.

They only made it cuz fudds from arfcom cried about it....

 

[hafejd30]

I have filed down many an MLOK screw to avoid touching a barrel.

-Stan

Right filing down is the best way. I had to file my screws down for my lmt mws I’m working on now. But that can’t change the barrel with mlok accessories on it

The mlok vs quad lmt reminds me of the mlok vs keyslot argument

The thickest part of the barrel has to pass the forend accessories on an AI like the lmt. Which if you have rails in every side can limit the barrel profiles.

I know guys here have tested straight 1.25 barrels on ATX and AX or 1.35 taper to 1.25 or whatever the AXMC/AXSR are and had issues with the forend making contact while firing.

Maybe I’m wrong but it seems mlok would be a tight squeeze if you wanted to run comp profiles

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

WTB - WTB m27 .308 24-26” ATX barres

As title says, looking for two .308 barrels for ATX. If you don’t have feedback, you will need to send barrels first before payment. Tell me what you got!

www.snipershide.com

Anyone have anything let me know!

 

[BurtG]

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Right. Maybe a soft cheapo to keep the dust and aluminum scars down.

 

[BurtG]

I enjoy having the IR capabilities

Night vision ? What is this 2005




I think I might have a 3rd 308 barrel Il look

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

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Night vision ? What is this 2005




I think I might have a 3rd 308 barrel Il look

Nice when you can turn on the ir laser walking up to a critter and shoot from the hip vs shouldering and looking through your clip on.
Or point targets out to guys with just NV

 

[Tperry]

Finally snagged a lefty AI. Only took about 3 years of looking. Seems like only the AXSRs are really available for lefties.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

26” AI 6cm barrel:

24” 6cm proof carbon barrel

24” proof carbon and Tbac Magnus SR

I will paint the atacr tomorrow after i shoot the rifle.

 

[goddamnox]

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Thanks to a member here buying my T6Xi and another selling me their ATACr, the AT got a solid upgrade.

Looks great! whats the Arca rail and tripod as thinking of one for my AW?

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

Whats a good barrel length for 6.5cm without too much compromise ? 22?

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

Depending on the distance you shoot, if it’s more practical you can drop to a lighter bullet and get some velocity back on the short barrels

 

[jbuck88]

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Whats a good barrel length for 6.5cm without too much compromise ? 22?

Depends on intent. I run a 24" at a middle node on my AI and get 2827fps. I run a 20" on my hunting rifle on the upper node and get 2730fps.

 

[HKSniper11B]

Ammo testing with 20" and 24" Lothar Walther 1:12 Twist barrels AT308s. They seem to like Federal Gold Medal match 175gr, and Norma Golden Target 175gr. The 24" barrel really likes Hornady Black A-Max 168gr but, I'm still testing to see how true this is. I still can't get either AT308 to shoot real well with Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr, but the tan AT is getting 0.8MOA from it, while I need to do more testing to know what the green AT can do.

I've removed and reinstalled both barrels, and torqued to 49 inch/lbs with Fixit Stick dedicated torque limiter. Tan rifle was 2 click, Green rifle 3 click to slightly over-torque. I'm still trying to find one round for both that 1) groups 0.6 MOA or better (10 round) and 2) gets me to 1000 yards effectively, 900 yards consistent. At this point, I'm completely open to factory ammo suggestions that both barrels would like. I'm considering a heavier ELD round, going with Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-x 178gr. If anyone has experience with this ammo from the Walther barrels, can you tell me about it?

 

[sethrrows]

I've been creeping around this thread for a minute, so figured I better contribute something, some photos from a club match we hosted last weekend.

 

[FUNCTIONAL]

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Ammo testing with 20" and 24" Lothar Walther 1:12 Twist barrels AT308s. They seem to like Federal Gold Medal match 175gr, and Norma Golden Target 175gr. The 24" barrel really likes Hornady Black A-Max 168gr but, I'm still testing to see how true this is. I still can't get either AT308 to shoot real well with Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr, but the tan AT is getting 0.8MOA from it, while I need to do more testing to know what the green AT can do.

I've removed and reinstalled both barrels, and torqued to 49 inch/lbs with Fixit Stick dedicated torque limiter. Tan rifle was 2 click, Green rifle 3 click to slightly over-torque. I'm still trying to find one round for both that 1) groups 0.6 MOA or better (10 round) and 2) gets me to 1000 yards effectively, 900 yards consistent. At this point, I'm completely open to factory ammo suggestions that both barrels would like. I'm considering a heavier ELD round, going with Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-x 178gr. If anyone has experience with this ammo from the Walther barrels, can you tell me about it?

No big offense to you, but are you capable of .6" 10rd groups consistently? I'd pick the ammo that's shooting best right now that you can get a lot of and get plenty of trigger time before you list criteria like that.

As for torque, many of us found 55inlb was a more constant torque when swapping barrels. Once it's clamped in at 49 or 65 the accuracy won't change, it just effects the repeatable poi when swapping.

 

[HKSniper11B]

No big offense to you, but are you capable of .6" 10rd groups consistently? I'd pick the ammo that's shooting best right now that you can get a lot of and get plenty of trigger time before you list criteria like that.

As for torque, many of us found 55inlb was a more constant torque when swapping barrels. Once it's clamped in at 49 or 65 the accuracy won't change, it just effects the repeatable poi when swapping.

Short answer: yes. 0.6MOA on a good day, 0.85MOA on a bad day. So, picking the right ammo to stock up on is my priority.

This is the sole time I was ever able to group Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr well; it was like a laser beam and felt effortless. This one box shot well the entire day across the board. This was in March 2024, and I haven't been able to replicate it since. I'm trying to get it to work again as it is the ammo I wish to use while also having the best BC and features for long range.	The entire day shooting Fed. GMM SMK 175gr was consistent like this with the 20" Walther barrel. If I had to grab just one ammo today I could count on, it'd be this. But, it has the worst range and BC.
This has been the current trend with Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr, tested with both the 20" and 24" barrel. Since removing and retorquing the barrels on both rifles, the groups have shrunk from 4MOA down to this. The 24" likes it a lot more, and without the flier, it would have been a 0.8 MOA group. I need to get more of the ammo and test more for a greater set of data.	Both rifles now, strangely, like Hornady Black A-Max 168gr: 20" above, 24" below. They were shooting around 2 MOA prior. This is was unexpected and also needs more shot data.

Considering these are 1/2 to 1/4 MOA rifles, this isn't hard to accomplish -- with the right ammo -- and I've been transparent on here, on r/LongRange and on Instagram with all my shot data. What I'm struggling to wrestle with are the quirks of a 1:12 twist barrel with modern ammunition. And so far, the 20" rifle feels different from the 24" which I'm also trying to understand: the 24" is notably easier to shoot, easier to handle.

There's gotta be guys here with years upon years of Arctic Warfare AW308 experience who can lend their thoughts, yea? What have been your experiences? What are you old dogs using besides custom loads? What factory ammo did you love best for your AWs? Right now, the best option I have is "Go with Fed. GMM SMK 175gr and accept being limited to 800 yards effective, 900 yards max." And I'm not satisfied with that.

 

[sidetoss20]

Short answer: yes. 0.6MOA on a good day, 0.85MOA on a bad day. So, picking the right ammo to stock up on is my priority.

View attachment 8503766 This is the sole time I was ever able to group Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr well; it was like a laser beam and felt effortless. This one box shot well the entire day across the board. This was in March 2024, and I haven't been able to replicate it since. I'm tring to get it to work again.	View attachment 8503767 The entire day shooting Fed. GMM SMK 175gr was consistent like this with the 20" Walther barrel. If I had to grab just one ammo today I could count on, it'd be this. But, it has the worst range and BC.
View attachment 8503768 This has been the current trend with Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr, tested with both the 20" and 24" barrel. Since removing and retorquing the barrels on both rifles, the groups have shrunk from 4MOA down to this. The 24" likes it a lot more, and without the flier, it would have been a 0.8 MOA group. I need to get more of the ammo and test more for a greater set of data.	View attachment 8503769 Both rifles now, strangely, like Hornady Black A-Max 168gr: 20" above, 24" below. They were shooting around 2 MOA prior. This is was unexpected and also needs more shot data.

Considering these are 1/2 to 1/4 MOA rifles, this isn't hard to accomplish -- with the right ammo -- and I've been transparent on here, on r/LongRange and on Instagram with all my shot data. What I'm struggling to wrestle with are the quirks of a 1:12 twist barrel with modern ammunition. And so far, the 20" rifle feels different from the 24" which I'm also trying to understand: the 24" is notably easier to shoot, easier to handle.

There's gotta be guys here with years upon years of Arctic Warfare AW308 experience who can lend their thoughts, yea? Right now, the best option I have is "Go with Fed. GMM SMK 175gr and accept being limited to 800 yards effective, 900 yards max." And I'm not satisfied with that.

If you’re open to handloading, I know that some tac-class guys in PRS push 178s around 2800 fps to stay super out to 1k. It’d be hot out of the 24” as I think this is usually done out of a 26 or 28.

 

[MK20]

You will NOT be limited on range with 175 FGMM. That stuff is 2700 fps out of a 24". I learned to shoot with Jacob Bynum shooting m118lr at sea level and that stuff is going 2550 fps. We could still get to 1k. You will easily be able to hit 1K with 175 FGMM and your barrel loves it. It should shoot in the .2 to .3 range with it in the 1:12 barrel.

If you ever get the itch to get rid of that factory 1:12 let me know and I'll buy it. I love those LW barrels.