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Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!
- Thread starter karagias
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So, some variety of ARC prefit currently on the market will fit or won't?
This action sounds great with all it's features and whatnot, but I'm just trying to figure out why I should buy this when I can get a Defiance Tenacity for a mere 77% upcharge....
Man, just bought a nuc from you all during that killer Black Friday deal, which will be my first semi custom build. Hard to pass this up at that price as well. Maybe I’ll finally touch tips with the 6.5cm bunch with this one.
The more I look at it the prettier it gets. Now there is an ARC action that has the unique look to match the unique features. Love it. I can see me doing a steampumk/retro scheme/build with one of these.
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Indeed, it's damned good looking receiver, it'll look even better in steampunk/Quigley Down Under fusion guise with that 34" .45-110 barrel and brass unertl scope.
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We need another maker of an Africa caliber action.
Controlled round feed and 100% reliable.
Works with 505 Gibbs, 500 Jeffery, 460 Weatherby, 416 Rigby and so on...
Just in case you want another project and want to help those of us gearing to stop big things from running us over.
Controlled round feed and 100% reliable.
Works with 505 Gibbs, 500 Jeffery, 460 Weatherby, 416 Rigby and so on...
Just in case you want another project and want to help those of us gearing to stop big things from running us over.
If you are going old school and don't mind belted magnums, you could build a .458 Win Mag pretty easily that would knock the stuffing out of just about everything except maybe Elephants.
Peter Capatick killed dozens of them during his culling operations back in the day with a .458 Win Mag. The key is to not leave the one in the bottom of the magazine and shoot 15 times otherwise it gets extra spicy due to the compression.
As for the action I’m in for a short and a long, what I’ll use them for I have no idea but with an M3, Original M5, M7 and M9 I’m just stacking the ARC actions deep at my house.
Guess s that means no single digit serial like my arch pre-order then
. But I'm glad to see you pushing and dragging the market forward Ted
That's absolutely beautiful Ted. Thanks for sharing. How about accepting pre-orders from customers who pre-ordered Mausingfields and Nucleus and never bitched about delivery?
Open a pre order and take my money.
That’s the best looking action ever and sounds like awesome features. Well done Ted.
I’ll definitely be buying 1 or 2. A few questions @karagias :
Is the Archimedes being discontinued? Should I be stocking up on wear parts for mine?
Will my Arch action wrench work with the new action?
Are there meaningful compromises in extraction compared to the claw on the Arch/Nucleus?
Is the Archimedes being discontinued? Should I be stocking up on wear parts for mine?
Will my Arch action wrench work with the new action?
Are there meaningful compromises in extraction compared to the claw on the Arch/Nucleus?
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Will this action have the “slop” in the bolt especially at the back of the throw like an archimedes? That’s is what got me to sell my archimedes, I just really enjoy that tighter feel like an impact or defiance.
I do really miss the short bolt throw and mechanical ejector, this looks like a home run.
I do really miss the short bolt throw and mechanical ejector, this looks like a home run.
@Baron85 You’ll be able to swap out the bolt handle for a non-pivoting one that won’t have the slop.
I’m not referring to the pivoting bolt handle, I was referring to the bolt body to action slop at the back of the bolt travel. Basically open the bolt and slide it all the way open, then grab the back of the bolt and there was a lot of slop basically the bolt body would shake around vs impact/defiance ect has minimal movement.
I’m not referring to the pivoting bolt handle, I was referring to the bolt body to action slop at the back of the bolt travel. Basically open the bolt and slide it all the way open, then grab the back of the bolt and there was a lot of slop basically the bolt body would shake around vs impact/defiance ect has minimal movement.
While Ted will have to be the one to tell you for certain from the renderings atleast, the bolt body appears much thicker and fills the raceway much more and is why I assume Ted added the fluting. I'm guessing he did this to appease the crowd that complained about the slop even though that was part of the arch design with the tapered bolt design of it to be able to run no matter the conditions
@karagias
Ted, will you provide more specifics about barrels? Will the current prefit barrels for the Archimedes work?
Ted, will you provide more specifics about barrels? Will the current prefit barrels for the Archimedes work?
I can guarantee you that you’re the only one “reading“ the second point.
Maybe, but the pic below should address your concern, which by the way is rather insightful. The case is a 308 Win, representative of many 0.473" diameter heads and you can clearly see that it is fully supported. You can also see that the extractor is in close proximity to the inner wall of the receiver making quite tolerant of case head separations.
It's worth noting that case heads are surprisingly strong. New brass is all but useless for testing case head separation events. The breech faces of the test barrels need to be cut away so that the thinner part of the case, well ahead of the web, is left unsupported, said case also requiring a groove to better initiate failure.
Ted
Love all the actions Ted. One thing that held me up in the past was lack of shouldered prefit availability. Being able to order up a proof barrel in a new caliber, similar to how easy it is to do for Zermatt action, would be awesome on the ARC actions. Any chances of broader shouldered prefit availability?
Edit: Updated to be clear that it's shouldered prefit availability, as I've done a Archimedes build with a savage barrel nut prefit.
Edit: Updated to be clear that it's shouldered prefit availability, as I've done a Archimedes build with a savage barrel nut prefit.
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Go to a smith that makes them then? PVA already said they’ve been testing and are ready to cut em
Curious to know if savage prefits will work as I use them with the Barloc on all my other ARC actions.
I avoid PVA. And I've noticed that ARC action prefits are not that common from other smiths. That was more of the question. If people look at most smiths and see other manufacturers but not ARC then that may be steering them away from ARC's great actions.
Alamo Precision Rifles uses Defiance actions. In another forum there was a discussion with them on possible other actions after Defiance's price increases . Someone mentioned ARC and APR didn't go in to details but did say they wouldn't want to work with them day in and day out. Addressing concerns like that from smiths can get more people using ARC actions.
I'd bet on Savage prefits working like they do for other ARC actions. This was more around shouldered prefits.
My smith mapped tenon specs on my nuke and Archimedes, thread diameter and headspace were both within .001" granted a sample of 2. But ARC prefits are totally doable from a good smith.
@karagias
How would this new extractor rate against the Nucleus, Archimedes and Mausingfield extractor? If I recall correctly, in the Nucleus video, you've stated something to the effect of not needing a spring to bias the extractor radially inwards is superior and demonstrated the strength of the "leaf spring" type extractor by bending a cartridge against a table. Will this new design be as robust?
How would this new extractor rate against the Nucleus, Archimedes and Mausingfield extractor? If I recall correctly, in the Nucleus video, you've stated something to the effect of not needing a spring to bias the extractor radially inwards is superior and demonstrated the strength of the "leaf spring" type extractor by bending a cartridge against a table. Will this new design be as robust?
Looking at the coned breach drawing Ted posted above, there is quite a bit of detail on the extractor exposed in the drawing. It appears that it has been designed such that rearward bolt movement engages a surface on the extractor piece and cams the extractor claw into the brass rim? I’m sure Ted will jump in and elaborate, but to my eyes it looks like another one of his well thought out and deliberate design tidbits that works in our favor.
F me, there goes another 900$! @karagias is the bolt lift the same as an Archimedes with the swivel handle installed? I well know the Archimedes issue with triggers, mine will NOT run a bna with any of the 3 sear heights, however a TT diamond has been issue free for 500 rounds.
I hope this doesn't mean any other action in the line is discontinued.
People about shoulder barrel prefits there is- PVA, straightjacket, LRI, deepsouth tactical and fisher T&C. There is others too but don't remember. But most smith's just need to measure your action doesn't take to long either.
People about shoulder barrel prefits there is- PVA, straightjacket, LRI, deepsouth tactical and fisher T&C. There is others too but don't remember. But most smith's just need to measure your action doesn't take to long either.
I never knew people had issues with triggers in the arch? My bix tacsport pro worked great and the tt diamond in it now has the sear slide over when going as fast as possible but every tt does that in every action I’ve ever put one in.
I want a pretty bolt knob for my other arc actions now.
I want a pretty bolt knob for my other arc actions now.
Im jealous! All I normally run are BnA, can't for life of me get one to work with my Arch. Diamond......no problems, go figure. What sear height you running? Sorry for derailment.
Low 3.6 sear I believe. You measured your action for it? From the bottom of the trigger pin to the bottom of the firing pin sear?
I do not need a centerfire right now but I am ordering ASAP. ARC just read my mind with this design and hit everything I have been waiting in one action but haven’t been able to find. Well done Ted and crew!
I’m in for a short action and possibly a long action.
Ted,
Will the long action feed from the Hawkins Hunter magazine?
Thanks
Ted,
Will the long action feed from the Hawkins Hunter magazine?
Thanks
^^^This right here....I'm in for a pre-order.
