Florida SRO resigns instead of being fired. He failed to react.
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I have a somewhat different take on this. I am appalled that it was allowed to happen at all but that is another scenario.
The security guard, IMHO, had a couple of functions, regardless of his title.
1. He should have assessed the situation. More on this later.
2. He should have immediately communicated his assessment to higher authority.
3. He should have taken action in accordance with his training and department policy and the orders of his superiors.
To item 1 above, this was a fluid situation. Yes, there was a gun or guns going off. It is a pretty big building containing 100s or more students and teachers, he was outside and noise changes character with distance and baffles like is normal in a school. Lots of rooms, corridors, floor levels and hallways and stair wells. Almost impossible to evaluate the source of the noise from outside the building through a closed door. Especially if you are unfamiliar with the sound of gunfire except on a range where you wear hearing protection and expect to hear gun fire.
2. Communication. Did he have access to 2 way communication with HQ or dispatch? Did he use it? In the first case, if he didn't have it, it is the department's fault. If he did have it and failed to use it, it is a training fault.
Communication is key here. Yes, he may have been confused (training), or even frightened (normal) but he should have done something.
3. Department policy enters into this as well as training. Many departments will have policy that requires that he report the incident and wait for backup. He may have been following that policy. He may well have frozen and done nothing more than take up station at a possible exit and hoped the killer chose a different one. That, or some variation of that based on what was going through his mind at the time. I cannot know the mind of another or his experiences that lead to his thinking.
The security guard, IMHO, had a couple of functions, regardless of his title.
1. He should have assessed the situation. More on this later.
2. He should have immediately communicated his assessment to higher authority.
3. He should have taken action in accordance with his training and department policy and the orders of his superiors.
To item 1 above, this was a fluid situation. Yes, there was a gun or guns going off. It is a pretty big building containing 100s or more students and teachers, he was outside and noise changes character with distance and baffles like is normal in a school. Lots of rooms, corridors, floor levels and hallways and stair wells. Almost impossible to evaluate the source of the noise from outside the building through a closed door. Especially if you are unfamiliar with the sound of gunfire except on a range where you wear hearing protection and expect to hear gun fire.
2. Communication. Did he have access to 2 way communication with HQ or dispatch? Did he use it? In the first case, if he didn't have it, it is the department's fault. If he did have it and failed to use it, it is a training fault.
Communication is key here. Yes, he may have been confused (training), or even frightened (normal) but he should have done something.
3. Department policy enters into this as well as training. Many departments will have policy that requires that he report the incident and wait for backup. He may have been following that policy. He may well have frozen and done nothing more than take up station at a possible exit and hoped the killer chose a different one. That, or some variation of that based on what was going through his mind at the time. I cannot know the mind of another or his experiences that lead to his thinking.
Yet some of you think we are not about to go to shit? Radical LE is a direct threat to this country right now as it was in Athens Tenn in 1946. Many city's, towns, county's an States prefer that their LEO's are nothing more than collection agents for the coffers. This way the law suites are kept to a minimum.
Research Athens Tenn 1946.
this is but one link
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...itizen-Revolt-Battle-Of-Athens-Tennessee-1946
Research Athens Tenn 1946.
this is but one link
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...itizen-Revolt-Battle-Of-Athens-Tennessee-1946
Except there is this little thing called TIME and TIME doesn’t allow for any of that SOP bull shit. Now I am not going to throw stones at this man because I have never been on a two way range, just wanted to point out the obvious.
100%
No time to deal with or even investigate real crime. All the time in the world to run radar and fuck with tax payers over petty shit
That's a load of Rubbish, It's nothing but BS printed in an Extremist Right Wing News paper and by printing crap like that They are proving them selves to be just as bad as the extremist them selves, The US Government would slam "ANY" Extremist they can get their hands on and have done since 9/11.
Thats just the tip of the iceburg. I had friends that live in a canaled gated community down there, They left because about once a month the cops would seal of the entry and allow loads of cocaine to be unloaded from private docks. Corrupt, low life pieces of shit.
It isn't too far from your suspicions to just doing them in wherever you find them, like in the parking lot at the Piggly Wiggly. People like you are the reason I always take precautions as I go about my day.
You sound very much like you have an axe to grind with anyone fitting the parameters of a certain physical description. If I'm mistaken, forgive me, but I've been on the wrong end of it before.
Oh really?
Like the underwear bomber?
Like the Boston bombers?
Fast and furious?
GTFO. There are a fair number in government that like these kind of attacks. They can take more rights more power and more money afterwards.
If such people were known to US LE they would be in Gitmo within 24 hours, Innocent People have vanished over night from the UK without being charged only to be returned 8 years later still without charge, If there were known Lunatics living in the US they would to vanish over night, That news paper is nothing but a load of redneck BS written by some self glorifying Turd who is nothing more than a self promoting Prick, The US Government has spent Trillions of Dollars trying to wipe out Extremists and to print and say such vile crap is the same as Pissing on the Graves of those who gave all they had to Give. And I find it bloody offensive.
You are talking about just a couple of events, that are totally unrelated to this shooting or the LE, The LE and the Mil have enough to deal with as it is without side tracking their attentions to deal with some Whore of a News Paper journalist that can't make it as a real reporter so the only way he can gain attention is to spread lies like that, Like it or not this young guy was a home grown Nut whose Cheese slipped of the Cracker.
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I've been carrying for 32 years. I get the condition orange thing. Let's cut right to the chase: people who look like they might be Muslim get a ton of grief from mouth-breathers, here included. Some have gotten killed for it without the least provocation. You wanna stop terrorists, fine, but if you go hunting them down and killing anyone who looks like one, you got zero justification. And some of them will righteously shoot back.
Yeah I agree, And that brings us back to that all time favourite that we all enjoy and that is Innocent till proven Guilty, Just because someone looks different does not deem them Guilty without a fair trial because if that is the way forward then it should apply to all people regardless of race creed or colour. The Colour of someone's skin does not decide or determine whether they are Guilty or not, The world saw the results of that type of thinking back in 1939.
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I don't think you can point to anything I wrote that says that I advocate killing anyone.
I've gone back and removed my off topic shit. It took this thread in the wrong direction.
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If the doer was cutting himself and gathering weapons, he should have been Baker acted. That would have prevented him from legally obtaining a gun or having deadly weapons in his possession. I read somewhere that that was tried on him and the social worker did not commit him.
There are so many errors surrounding this tragic event that it just sickens me. He was JROTC and on the rifle team, how the hell did that happen?
There are so many errors surrounding this tragic event that it just sickens me. He was JROTC and on the rifle team, how the hell did that happen?
Yeah so many silly mistakes that grew in to big ones and now so many people are hurting and past along with backlash that all dept's are having to face along with the Gun Owners and Dealers and factories are all going to feel the pinch because of how Social care was either missing or not carried out,
REALLY WHY IS ANYONE SUPRISED WHEN THE COPS DO NOTHING IN THESE SITUATIONS, THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED IN MOUT FASHION N TIME TO ANY INCIDENT SINCE THE TOWER SHOOTER IN TEXAS.
AND TO THINK THESE “FIRST RESPONDERS” CLAIM HONORED STATUS AS SERVICE MEMBERS OR VETERANS.
AND TO THINK THESE “FIRST RESPONDERS” CLAIM HONORED STATUS AS SERVICE MEMBERS OR VETERANS.
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My aunt has been a teacher for probably 20 years. Ex Air force flight nurse, married to a cop. Her brother and father (my dad and grandpa) were both cops. Shoots cowboy action comps regularly. I'd be all for having her with a gun protecting my kid in class. There are teachers out there that can and would do it.
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Holy crap teacher confirms that other girl's story i thought was bs.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-t...room-amid-221604904--abc-news-topstories.html
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-t...room-amid-221604904--abc-news-topstories.html
You get to do your fucking job.
You get to stop a major crime in progress.
You get to save human lives.
You get to shoot some whiny bitch ass millennial faggot in the face.
But no, you pussy out instead.
Fail.
You get to stop a major crime in progress.
You get to save human lives.
You get to shoot some whiny bitch ass millennial faggot in the face.
But no, you pussy out instead.
Fail.
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Shooter had a mask on......
Reports of multi shooters
Report of student on the stairway joking with accused shooter, after the shooting started - on a staircase, at the other end of the building.
At what point will America clue into the fact that in many (most) of these high profile mass events - there were "Training Ops" immediately proceeding, either on site or nearby, and that most all of them have reports of multiple shooters which conflict with the "official" narrative? What would be a legitimate reason to have crisis actors in the mix of such an event? What would be a legitimate reason to have crisis actors at a townhall televised by a major national network?
How many times does that have to happen until people realize they are being lied to?
*I want to be clear - I am not saying these events didn't happen or that people (children) didn't die. I am saying - just like LV, it is obvious it didn't happen like they say it did. Why would they lie? At what point is America going to wake up?
Reports of multi shooters
Report of student on the stairway joking with accused shooter, after the shooting started - on a staircase, at the other end of the building.
At what point will America clue into the fact that in many (most) of these high profile mass events - there were "Training Ops" immediately proceeding, either on site or nearby, and that most all of them have reports of multiple shooters which conflict with the "official" narrative? What would be a legitimate reason to have crisis actors in the mix of such an event? What would be a legitimate reason to have crisis actors at a townhall televised by a major national network?
How many times does that have to happen until people realize they are being lied to?
*I want to be clear - I am not saying these events didn't happen or that people (children) didn't die. I am saying - just like LV, it is obvious it didn't happen like they say it did. Why would they lie? At what point is America going to wake up?
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When real Americans get fed up an an those perping this start disappearing, or are found after their suicide.
(video) Second teacher says shooter was in full battle rattle - helmet / mask / armor.
Weather in Parkland that day 82 degrees https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/parkland-fl/33067/february-weather/337605
What doesn't look right - look at Nicholas Jacob Cruz on the ground as he is being arrested. Note that there is no build up of sweat on his shirt.
https://bcnn1wp.wordpress.com/2018/...s-no-ties-to-white-supremacist-militia-group/
ETA - understand that the accused shooter left the site and was apprehended @ 20 minutes later nearest a Subway.
I also understand that the CCTV feed into the SO was not in real time, had a 20 minute delay.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...-school-shooting-response-20180221-story.html
Weather in Parkland that day 82 degrees https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/parkland-fl/33067/february-weather/337605
What doesn't look right - look at Nicholas Jacob Cruz on the ground as he is being arrested. Note that there is no build up of sweat on his shirt.
https://bcnn1wp.wordpress.com/2018/...s-no-ties-to-white-supremacist-militia-group/
ETA - understand that the accused shooter left the site and was apprehended @ 20 minutes later nearest a Subway.
I also understand that the CCTV feed into the SO was not in real time, had a 20 minute delay.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...-school-shooting-response-20180221-story.html
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Isn't interesting how the story so often mimics other events?
Names and people involved that are obviously steering things?
Officials that seem less than reputable?
A patsy?
A purposeful and co-ordinated effort on the part of the MSM to shape the message / shape the history?
Where have we seen this before?
If you have never seen it - watch the SS driver turn around and kill Kennedy.
Names and people involved that are obviously steering things?
Officials that seem less than reputable?
A patsy?
A purposeful and co-ordinated effort on the part of the MSM to shape the message / shape the history?
Where have we seen this before?
If you have never seen it - watch the SS driver turn around and kill Kennedy.
“Body armor” probably mean he was wearing a $20 ‘tactical airsoft’ vest
I’ll shave my beard if he was actually wearing plates
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I wouldn't trust the description of what type of armor/weapon was being carried by a shooter from most anyone, but for things like helmets/masks/etc, yeah, I can kinda see how that's hard to flub.
The interesting part to me is:
You got one teacher and one student saying shooter had a helmet (among other things).
You got another teacher/coach saying shooter had a mask
You got chick in the hallway with the alleged shooter who gives no real description of the dude, but says they heard shots and she was surprised it wasn't him doing the shooting.
Then you got dude getting arrested without anything on him, after hitting wally world and mickey D's like it was any other day.
Then you got the news/LEO not mentioning any of that shit.
Am I retarded for thinking these things don't add up to a single shooter?
They also said artificial sweeteners were safe, there were WMD’s in iraq and Natalie Cole married for love.
I don't buy a lot (most, if any) of the conspiracy shit but a failure of the authorities to eventually provide a lucid account of the event with supporting facts makes this stuff ripe to be questioned. ( Vegas being one example that has me almost ready to buy in on something not smelling right) I hope the state can actually perform a real investigation in hows and whys this went the way it did and they release the entire report.
I am curious how this kid could afford all the firearms and ammo he had? I had heard he was up for an inheritance but didn't get it yet. Anyone heard otherwise? Was he drawing his late mother's SSI? I don't know many adults who could drop that much money on firearms in two years, and this was an unemployed 19 year old. I'd like to have this explained.
Also, this fucking sheriff gets stranger every day. I think he's trying to use this to catapult himself into state or federal politics but he comes off as a douchebag. He considers himself a lion? This guy has a Nepolian complex blinding him from seeing the truth right in front of him. I'm glad he can't keep his ass off TV, at least the voters get to see the real Scott Isreal.
I am curious how this kid could afford all the firearms and ammo he had? I had heard he was up for an inheritance but didn't get it yet. Anyone heard otherwise? Was he drawing his late mother's SSI? I don't know many adults who could drop that much money on firearms in two years, and this was an unemployed 19 year old. I'd like to have this explained.
Also, this fucking sheriff gets stranger every day. I think he's trying to use this to catapult himself into state or federal politics but he comes off as a douchebag. He considers himself a lion? This guy has a Nepolian complex blinding him from seeing the truth right in front of him. I'm glad he can't keep his ass off TV, at least the voters get to see the real Scott Isreal.
“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back”
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