Food riots thread…and energy.
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There are small scattered geothermal spots throughout the USA.. Pagosa Springs, Colorado (off the top of my head).
Greens won't let you take advantage of it.
Now Iceland could take advantage of their geothermal. build electrical plant, build Hydrogen convertor. Use spare electricity to sell hydrogen to all the 'Green' Nations.
A total Russian gas shutoff would plunge Europe into a 'multi-winter crisis,' says RBC's global commodity chief
"We're in this situation with Russia right now where we just don't know how far they're going to go in terms of weaponizing energy," RBC's Helima Croft said.
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I may be wrong, but I recall that dropping daily average indoor temps from 20c to 10C will require from 500 to 1000 more calories per day. At what point will the high cost of food and the lack of energy to heat homes will begin to impact health?
"Mean Tweets 2016" warned them while encouraging them to meet their NATO commitments - everyone laughed thenA total Russian gas shutoff would plunge Europe into a 'multi-winter crisis,' says RBC's global commodity chief
"We're in this situation with Russia right now where we just don't know how far they're going to go in terms of weaponizing energy," RBC's Helima Croft said.www.yahoo.com
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I wonder if that is because Russia wants to gain influence in the nations that grain is going to.Ukraine is getting grain out. 90 ships so far.
that's an all-inclusive graph showing:
happiness levels
population left in USA and World
people that can afford to drive cars
people that can afford to cool their houses
water supply available for farming
wheat supply
people's savings account
people that still have a place to live
Russia buys and sells food on world market, too. They don't want to starve their people too.
Which was how we got dragged into the quagmire that was Somalia!
They are not buying wheat from Ukraine. And those boats of wheat are not headed north either.
Let’s see their commitment level after a month of no utilities.
Flip side.
Let’s see their commitment level after a week of no food.
Now take a knee to your new masters.
Flip side.
Let’s see their commitment level after a week of no food.
Now take a knee to your new masters.
None of the possible responses to this will result in anything other than more socialism.
-Subsidize the power companies (with printed money) or cap the power bills (these are essentially the same thing)
-They actually cut off power to those that don't pay the bills. That will get interesting, and I dont think they have the long term balls for this.
-The "help" the consumers by allotting usage that will keep the bills affordable. This will also impact the GDP and tax collection.
This is a bigger deal than most realize. The follow-on effects could very well result in the collapse of the middle class as their savings go to nothing within a very short period of time. It can also completely upend the EU economy. It could also bring about a Hitler type in one or more of these countries that slides in under the auspices of saving the day. The boogey man that the politicians will use for all of this is Russia. Russia is now the adversary of the world, not their stupid green energy or their past poor decisions that brought them to this point (Germany, etc).
Exactly this.
Subsidies will increase the inflation rate ( they don’t have the money so they print it. ) Cap bills and the companies will stop producing. If they can’t make a profit why do it? They can just move operations or materials to where they can….or close the doors.
Then there is another option…..
Nationalize the utilities companies.
I suppose there is an even more radical option left. Open warfare with Russia.
The last option is to cave to Russia’s demands.
Pick one.
My guess based on how they acted over 2 years. Option X: send police with batons and guns to homes of delinquent payers, seize assets, evict etc. Homes become public housing for certain groups who will have zero energy restrictions.
I strongly suspect that nationalization of utilities and other necessary industries will occur where it hasn’t already. IMO this is already a foregone conclusion.
Or, just drop the sanctions and stop supporting a corrupt Nazi Ukrainian government?
They haven't been using logic or rationality during " The great pandemic". Sit down at a restaurant, take off your mask, it's safe for everyone. Stand up you better put on that mask or get jail time.
Pick the dumbest possible outcome and you will be closer to their next choice rather than figuring out what will keep things functioning. Because they aren't thinking about keeping things fully functional. If they were, the situation the population faces wouldn't be reality.
That would be caving.
There is WAY more to that nazi angle than most realize. It was born from the “ enemy of my enemy is my friend”. They went that way due to the way Russia treated them during that war.
But anyways….that is an entirely different topic for another thread.
Personally I hope both sides lose that war
"The boogey man that the politicians will use for all of this is Russia. Russia is now the adversary of the world, not their stupid green energy or their past poor decisions that brought them to this point (Germany, etc)." TRUTH
Just wait until the grain bins get full and need drying. LOL. Or pig and chicken barns need heat!!!
Politicians and their enablers think this stuff comes from pixie dust. For greens, who claim to think in terms of systems, they sure don't understand key systems very well.
Russia does not produce a lot of food.
Nor do they produce machine tools or electronics that support their industrial base.
They produce metals and energy and export it for what they need. That is what Russia has always done.
Putin does not care about the rest of the world, just Russia. He is like the old Nobility - stupid. WEF means nothing to him other than exporting stuff.
Had he signed a free trade pact with Ukraine and integrated them economically he'd have been a lot better off.
Europe has broken its ties to Russia and is now focused on long term fixes to their problems. We are exporting huge amounts of gas to them now and the EU will begin to drill again very soon and build nukes. I bet they will be hanging Greens come winter.
There are far more uses for fossil fuels than fuel alone. They will ALWAYS be needed.
"dropping daily average indoor temps from 20c to 10C will require from 500 to 1000 more calories per day. '
Does weight watchers advertise this nifty trick? Lose weight FAST FAST FAST.. drop the thermostat.. Yes, it's that easy.
Even fat Albert would have to put on a sweater at 50F
Does weight watchers advertise this nifty trick? Lose weight FAST FAST FAST.. drop the thermostat.. Yes, it's that easy.
Even fat Albert would have to put on a sweater at 50F
What what what?
So now Europe is fracking, coaling, and nuking?
Putin sure is fucking up that "green energy" fairytale story.
Right? When I took some grad geo courses, the Prof said something like 51 bar of carbon dioxide had been captured into coal, oil and carbonate rocks since life began. And that atmospheric pressure was likely 2X that of today prior to the Cretaceous and 3X during the carboniferous. The two most serious bio professors I know just laugh when someone mentions CO2. No serious Green today wants less CO2.
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