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What about a turbine powered carNuclear powered passenger vehicles. Interesting concept.
There would be plenty of power if we'd build more nuclear power plants and recycle fuel efficiently.
Or if the powers that be would let some of the technology that has been held back from the world come out and play.
You don't need a crazy new hookup to your house for EV charging.
Most modern decent houses already can support it if they have enough space for a 50A circuit to be added to the electrical panel (220V) and be done with it.
We are pretty much looking at the same power as running your AC unit on heating mode or a dual oven stove.
Now as far as the grid goes, that's another story, significant changes would need to be made.
What about a turbine powered car
Using the reactor to generate the steam to spin the turbine.... that is the basis of what I was speaking. Miniature version of what is in an SSBN.What about a turbine powered car
One of the main guys, Dr Sam Williams, then left and founded Williams Research Corporation which is now Williams International.Chrysler Corp back in the 60s
Does hazard cuntucky even have electricity and running water? I used to work with a guy from that county, and he always talked like they didn’t have those luxuriesI see several of you are wondering how much it might raise your electricity bill, for me 1$ per day and I drive about 100 miles a day, approx 30$ a month and 3000 miles is what I've averaged on this tesla.
that's all home charging costs, supercharging on road trips is MUCH higher, similar to gasoline but still cheaper.
you guys should test drive a tesla.
not a different brand, tesla specifically. the model Y is a value that can't be beat imho. I could have spent more, but why? my car has the FSD for 8k and the performance package that gives it 505 wheel horse power(instant electric)
the new model 3 performance has 610 at the wheels and honestly I'm so jealous even though I absolutely do not need a faster car.
I will say IMHO my Y is a borderline ugly vehicle. I got 3 kids so I needed the room of a crossover.
What about a turbine powered car
Another thing that kinda sticks in my throat, is all this data comes from northern Europe. Heck, I can ride my bike across parts of Sweden or Norway quicker than I can get to the nearest large city by car here in North Central Louisiana, much less to our son’s home a bit under 500 miles away. I am sure that an electric powered vehicle is the Bees Knees in Luxenburg. One of my favorite places is Andorra, An EV would be great there, in the summer. Of course, in Andorra’s winter, being a Mountain Principality, the temperatures might put a bit of a crunch on an ev’s ability to climb up the drive, considering the battery being a bit DEAD from the cold.
Most folks here would also love Andorra, Nice Place. Beautiful countryside. Oh, ALL Abled body Males between the ages of 16 and 60 are Required BY LAW to Own at least One Rifle and Regularly practice with it!
If a citizen of Andorra does not own a rifle, the POLICE will provide them with one. They literally take Well Armed MilItia seriously.
OK, I hijacked the shit out of this thread. In case folks are wondering, I don’t hate Electric Cars. I just think there are so many better ways to provide transportation for Americans, who live in a Large, Spread Out Nation. (But I do HATE EV’s being forced on us)
I did not re read this specific article, but I have read one that talked about an early electric taxi company in New york.No hijack.. good points.
All-electric vehicles seem ideal for cities and places where trips are short and slow.
So then why, for example, is NYC or DC or Similar cities not going all EV’s on their fleets of taxi’s and police vehicles? Seems totally logical. As city cars the EV seems like a no-brainer. Especially for more temperate urban areas!
Except for, again, that whole energy density and convenience. A “fleet” of NYC taxi’s or police cars can run 24x7 with stops only for maintenance (ha!!!) and gas fill ups. Switch to EV’s and you need two or three times as many vehicles because each car in Your fleet needs to spend 1/3rd to 2/3rds of its time charging. Ideally slow charge to optimize battery life.
A bit of Google shows that there are 100,000 “legal” taxi’s in NYC. Not to mention probably half-that-again in illegal cabs or Uber’s. And there are 9,000 police vehicles in the NYPD fleet at any one time.
So that would have to double or triple.
So where is one going to park those (now) 220,000 vehicles for 1/2 to 1/3 of each day to charge? A private parking space in NYC sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars. A parking space is 160 square feet. 220,000 cars takes up 808 acres of space. By comparison, Central Park is 840 acres. So you would need an area half the size of Central Park just to keep half your fleet plugged in at any time.
Again… it sounds like the perfect solution for cities and dense areas. And in some places it could be! Western Europe… is a good example.
Sprawling communities in the U.S. South and West perhaps… places where seniors are already using golf carts and ATV’s. Places with lots of sun and cheap land! Bring it on! If EV’s are the best solution in those places, let market forces decide!
But with all their eco-faggotry and green carrying on… if “market forces” in places like NYC can’t justify their little electric cars except to be seen in them at Met Gala’s or driving around their snooty Greenwich Village or Cos Cob CT neighborhoods… then they remain fashion accessories, not economically viable or ecologically sound transportation for the time being!
Sirhr
Challenge with turbine power is you lack immediate acceleration and they don’t run transmissions well.
BUT Generators are most efficient at higher RPM’s. Back when we were looking at “hybrid” options for powering military vehicles in the early 2000’s (heavy fuel mandate and green shit) the “logical” way of doing hybrids (aka the proper engineering solution) was to couple a micro-turbine engine to a dynamo spinning at high speeds. NOW you get turbine efficiency can make a lot of power with a small efficient high-RPM dynamo… with the “launching” power of electric motors.
At the time there was a company in Ct making really cool 2.75” diameter jet turbines that could have turned our 2.75” “dumb” rockets into long loiter mini cruise missiles. This sort of tiny turbine scaled correctly could make a very efficient hybrid
But the hybrid industry insists on running “dynamos” with the same low RPM way-too-large torque-producing engines that they use to power traditional cars. Why? Because developing a new engine at the time the Prius was introduced was a billion dollars. Making a “roadworthy” turbine hybrid work probably costs more billions. And they didn’t “need” a billion dollar optimized engine to start selling boatloads of hybrids. They needed the illusion of an electric car. Aka a fashion statement with blue and green trim and a fancy badge.
Turbines could definitely have a role! But no one wants to go there. And it would “probably” meet consumer resistance and I am not sure you could put a catalytic converter on one.
Sirhr
Hunt up Jay's video on the Chrysler turbine car. He has IIRC the only one in private hands and the only one that is turn key ready to drive.
It was not really a transmission issue as I understand things, they got around that with different torque converters with a REAL high stall. The issue is fuel burn, remember the thing idles at 20,000 rpm. It is going to burn more fuel, and again it will run on anything that will burn. It ran on perfume when tested in france, and tequila in mexico back in the day. If it will burn it will run on it. There was also never an issue of it melting pavement or catching grass on fire. This is back in the day when the US built fantastic things. It did work as a car.
Screw it I want to watch the video again.
I did not re read this specific article, but I have read one that talked about an early electric taxi company in New york.
In 1899 Ninety Percent of New York City’s Taxi Cabs Were Electric Vehicles
Today I found out in 1899 ninety percent of New York City’s taxi cabs were electric vehicles. This fleet of electric cars was built by the Electric Carriage and Wagon Company of Philadelphia. Not only that, but in 1899 and 1900, electric cars outsold all other types of cars, such as gas and...www.todayifoundout.com
Story goes that they even had hot swap batteries, so the cars could just keep going. It did not survive the on rush of gas cars. There are several reasons for this, but the big one is expense. The same thing that hits them now. We are all seeing it now, as the cars start to loose the .gov cheeze the sales start to dry up.
Problem with tiny turbines is materials, speeds required, and time of components life. 6" rotor military usage rotor spins 60k rpm and is made of Mar m 247. Lots of inconel as well. Go smaller and speeds go up like 100k or even 120k. Turbine parts only last so long. I'm not on that side of the house but how well will people actually go in for parts needing changed/ inspected at the correct hour marks?Challenge with turbine power is you lack immediate acceleration and they don’t run transmissions well.
BUT Generators are most efficient at higher RPM’s. Back when we were looking at “hybrid” options for powering military vehicles in the early 2000’s (heavy fuel mandate and green shit) the “logical” way of doing hybrids (aka the proper engineering solution) was to couple a micro-turbine engine to a dynamo spinning at high speeds. NOW you get turbine efficiency can make a lot of power with a small efficient high-RPM dynamo… with the “launching” power of electric motors.
At the time there was a company in Ct making really cool 2.75” diameter jet turbines that could have turned our 2.75” “dumb” rockets into long loiter mini cruise missiles. This sort of tiny turbine scaled correctly could make a very efficient hybrid
But the hybrid industry insists on running “dynamos” with the same low RPM way-too-large torque-producing engines that they use to power traditional cars. Why? Because developing a new engine at the time the Prius was introduced was a billion dollars. Making a “roadworthy” turbine hybrid work probably costs more billions. And they didn’t “need” a billion dollar optimized engine to start selling boatloads of hybrids. They needed the illusion of an electric car. Aka a fashion statement with blue and green trim and a fancy badge.
Turbines could definitely have a role! But no one wants to go there. And it would “probably” meet consumer resistance and I am not sure you could put a catalytic converter on one.
Sirhr
Damn, I been pushing hot swap batteries for close to a decade now, and every time I even mention it, I am shouted down as to what a bad idea it is.I did not re read this specific article, but I have read one that talked about an early electric taxi company in New york.
In 1899 Ninety Percent of New York City’s Taxi Cabs Were Electric Vehicles
Today I found out in 1899 ninety percent of New York City’s taxi cabs were electric vehicles. This fleet of electric cars was built by the Electric Carriage and Wagon Company of Philadelphia. Not only that, but in 1899 and 1900, electric cars outsold all other types of cars, such as gas and...www.todayifoundout.com
Story goes that they even had hot swap batteries, so the cars could just keep going. It did not survive the on rush of gas cars. There are several reasons for this, but the big one is expense. The same thing that hits them now. We are all seeing it now, as the cars start to loose the .gov cheeze the sales start to dry up.
Damn, I been pushing hot swap batteries for close to a decade now, and every time I even mention it, I am shouted down as to what a bad idea it is.
Well why not! “Filling stations” with batteries on the charger, ready to go, opearators with the equipment on hand to pull the low battery out of the car, put it on the charging rack, install a freshly charged battery in the vehicle, charge for the amount of amperes the freshly charged battery holds and off you go.
I foresee a forklift type of battery extractor/installer, with a flat battery that fits under the passenger compartment. Neat little local small nuclear generating stations humming away, (well how bout “radiating away”) generating the electricity the community needs. Rivers flow free (except for Caney Creek Lake of course ) Eagles don’t have to worry about getting hit by windmill blades, rabbits get to eat grass instead of starving or boiling to death under acres and acres of semi dead, red chinese made solar cells. It’s all so simple. What is wrong with people,
If we have to have electrics, why not practical electrics?
Damn, I been pushing hot swap batteries for close to a decade now, and every time I even mention it, I am shouted down as to what a bad idea it is.
Well why not! “Filling stations” with batteries on the charger, ready to go, opearators with the equipment on hand to pull the low battery out of the car, put it on the charging rack, install a freshly charged battery in the vehicle, charge for the amount of amperes the freshly charged battery holds and off you go.
I foresee a forklift type of battery extractor/installer, with a flat battery that fits under the passenger compartment. Neat little local small nuclear generating stations humming away, (well how bout “radiating away”) generating the electricity the community needs. Rivers flow free (except for Caney Creek Lake of course ) Eagles don’t have to worry about getting hit by windmill blades, rabbits get to eat grass instead of starving or boiling to death under acres and acres of semi dead, red chinese made solar cells. It’s all so simple. What is wrong with people,
If we have to have electrics, why not practical electrics?
Consider this: f@$kkkkkkkk china!!!!The Chinese NIO brand has quick swap batteries.
It takes about 10 minutes start to finish to pull into one of their stations and drive off with a fresh set of batteries.
They have those setup in Europe and China
BUT also consider this, most folks going on about the charging times have no clue about the latest generation of charging abilities.
The latest gen cars with the latest gen chargers pretty much top you up to 80% or so in about 30 minutes, and the next generation of 1kw charging will take that down to 20 minutes or less.
So it's a bit of a question about time.
Now that being said, NIO and others with removable quick swap batteries solved the issue of your battery going bad and being a high cost.
You buy the car and essentially rent the battery on a support contract. So you always pay a small fee but the battery is always swapped out or replaced when it has a problem at no cost to you, as part of that battery rental contract. (You also have the option to just buy the battery instead if you don't want that, but if you are going to go around having batteries swapped in and out, it makes sense).
Consider this: f@$kkkkkkkk china!!!!
Ethanol - don’t forget to spank the hell out of that decision.
Why do we have to have three grades, or more, of gasoline at the pumps?
Logic no longer prevails.
battery swap is a stupid idea at this point. my cheap car can charge from like 10 to 70 in 20 ish mins. that's just enough time for me to waddle over to a restaurant and pee and get a burger and drink.
That's like an article the other day. It was all about how this new invovatinve company than now recycles wind turbine blades. At the end the article it says, "the end product is not usable. They had to change the definition of recycling. Now smashing it up and sending it to the dump is recycling.The "recycle" process is a little like how plastic is recycled. Do some deep digging.
There are a few things that are set in stone. The faster you charge a battery the hotter it will get and the shorter it will live. That is just a given. What they are doing with this fast charging is banking on people unloading these cars at the end of their two year lease before battery life becomes an issue. We all know just what the market is now for used battery vehicles, I can only imagine what it will be after the used cars last for one year before the range drops by half. It will not make a bit of difference to the people building the battery cars, they make money on new car sales, the people that lease them don't care as they unload it before the issues start, so why care a single thing about the used market. It will only hit if the "buy back" price at the end of the lease is too low, and that can be offset by your tax money. Everyone wins, see how that works.The Chinese NIO brand has quick swap batteries.
It takes about 10 minutes start to finish to pull into one of their stations and drive off with a fresh set of batteries.
They have those setup in Europe and China
BUT also consider this, most folks going on about the charging times have no clue about the latest generation of charging abilities.
The latest gen cars with the latest gen chargers pretty much top you up to 80% or so in about 30 minutes, and the next generation of 1kw charging will take that down to 20 minutes or less.
So it's a bit of a question about time.
Now that being said, NIO and others with removable quick swap batteries solved the issue of your battery going bad and being a high cost.
You buy the car and essentially rent the battery on a support contract. So you always pay a small fee but the battery is always swapped out or replaced when it has a problem at no cost to you, as part of that battery rental contract. (You also have the option to just buy the battery instead if you don't want that, but if you are going to go around having batteries swapped in and out, it makes sense).
Don't have to ruin any landscapes if you put 'em on existing farm and grazing land! Won't be needing those 'cause we'll all be eatingjust think.. a few of these destroying the landscape, so we can have a 0 net carbon footprint.