Beg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
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Beg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
psshhh... simple. FurlongsThose of you who keep referring to linear measurements at some given distance....
When you zero your rifle, how do you measure the group size created by say, 5 shots?
It's pretty clear that you think MOA is inches, it's not.That would be true for any mil/ mil or moa/moa setup so that’s not relevant since they’re identical in that respect.
I’m just saying I call the shot placement before a correction - you guys are twisting that. I call all corrections in mil/moa.
So therefore when are we stoping to describe misses? With new shooters (like I said and op is) because they are whole numbers.
If anyone thinks one is significantly or even marginally better than the other then you need help.
moving my scope 1 moa left at 800 yards will or will not cause my impact to shift to the left 8 inches??
In my part of the world it does and always has.
psshhh... simple. Furlongs
At this point, I would have to think that he just doesn’t realize he could just look through the reticle see the correction and just call it out.IPHY, yes.
MOA, no.
8.368" Is the correct answer. If your reticle is in MOA, it will have moved your impact 1 MOA, providing the range is correct and you have no further movement due to wind.
In other words, your impact will align with your 1MOA left hash mark.
I'm still trying to figure out why you insist on doing math when it's unnecessary.
For the sake of humanity, I’m gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope that this is the case.Or he does and he's fucking with everyone.
1 mil @ 100 yards (3600 inches) = 3.6 inchesBeg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
Calipers don't measure angles protractors do calipers measure the linear distance between two pointsMy calipers measure in angle??
If you look up radians you will find they are pare of the SI system this is the metric system a mil is 1/1000 of a radianBeg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
at ta boy at least you are not confusing metric and English systemspsshhh... simple. Furlongs
Except if it works with all units it is essentially unit less. It works with everything not just metric measurements. Too many people think you have to use metric only with mils. That isn't true.If you look up radians you will find they are pare of the SI system this is the metric system a mil is 1/1000 of a radian
You can interchange any part of the English or scientific (metric) system just use the proper conversion constants in this case 3.6Except if it works with all units it is essentially unit less. It works with everything not just metric measurements. Too many people think you have to use metric only with mils. That isn't true.
Here is another.
1 mil @ 1000 furlongs = 1 furlong.
So is a squirrel ball imperial or metric? It also works with possum or opossum balls. Is that imperial or metric?You can interchange any part of the English or scientific (metric) system just use the proper conversion constants in this case 3.6
Beg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
Incorrect. The spotter doesn't have to do any math whatsoever. He and I both know I was aiming center mass of that particular target at whatever distance. He sees in his reticle the impact of my shot is 1 unit measurement left and 0.5 unit measurement low of center mass. So the spotter says "up 0.5, right 1." I make that correction either by holdover in my scope reticle, or dial on turrets.Yes. Because he already did the math. Argument totally invalid because an inches to angular was still the basis
Differ all you want. You are wrong.Beg to differ Mils, associated with radians are used in metric calculations
So is a squirrel ball imperial or metric? It also works with possum or opossum balls. Is that imperial or metric?
The lesson is why the heck do you need to convert at all?
This isn't that complicated.
If you look up radians you will find they are pare of the SI system this is the metric system a mil is 1/1000 of a radian
Hi 308: haven't from you in a while, have trouble with your ass?Angular measurements, regardless of whether they are expressed in radians, degrees, or fractions thereof, are agnostic to unit systems (Imperial or SI).
And before the fucking mouthbreathers chime in, tenths, hundredths, and thousands of something are still fractions (1/10, 1/100, 1/1000}.
More conceptual errorIf you look up radians you will find they are pare of the SI system this is the metric system a mil is 1/1000 of a radian
Very good well saidHere is a thread on the subject.
Rifle Scopes - Mrad IS Meteric
I often see guys saying milliradians aka mrads are not metric. I can understand wanting to say it isnt as we often use it with yards and inches however a milliradian is equal to 1/1000 of a radian. A radian is a SI derived unit and therefore part of the metric system. If my logic is...www.snipershide.com
Aftermath did you ever take math? What conceptual error?More conceptual error
Oooooh! You got @Aftermath in a corner now!Aftermath did you ever take math? What conceptual error?
all in fun he should and everyone have a nice day even 308
What credentials do you have to make such a statement about a discussion that it appears you know nothing about I have a good book on Ballistics titled Modern exterior Ballistics by McCoy you should get a copy then talk to me. Ass hole the best you can do is call someone a dipshit pathetic@Maurygold @cuirc
There have been at least a dozen folks on here trying to point you in the correct direction, showing and explaining the error in your thinking.
At this point, if you still do not understand, you are nothing short of a dipshit.
Woah!!!! That’s a linear measurement. Holy shit!! It is possible
Where did you come from and what are you talking about do you know anything about ballistics and measurementsLinear measurements are of course possible, they're just pointless. (and as you noticed, poor approximations) Using the ruler in your scope to call out an adjustment that can be dialed or held is infinitely superior to calling out a correction in inches/centimeters/etc. There's just no reason to do it.
There's no reason for using MOA adjustments. You aren't correcting an inch per MOA, and you shouldn't measure your corrections in inches. When people tell me they prefer MOA, what they're really telling me is that they're using their scope wrong. MOA (or shooter's MOA) made sense "back in the day" when people zeroed their scope and then never dialed.
It's fine for someone using a plex reticle and getting a scope sighted in, but geez. There's no circumstance where MOA is superior to Mils.
If your spotter doesn't have a reticle, calling the hold in targets (assuming it's only a few) isn't that bad, but calling inches? Yikes.
He said to ponder his username.What credentials do you have to make such a statement about a discussion that it appears you know nothing about I have a good book on Ballistics titled Modern exterior Ballistics by McCoy you should get a copy then talk to me. Ass hole the best you can do is call someone a dipshit pathetic
Ah! clarity goodHe said to ponder his username.
One could guess, maybe he has a degree, maybe he was a certified math teacher, might have had a career in math, maybe he just loves math?
Like my username, I’m from the 208 and I’m just makin chips.
So by that logic, I’m just a cock?He said to ponder his username.
Like my username, I’m from the 208 and I’m just makin chips.
Good description Rooster haven't seen you in a while eitherSo by that logic, I’m just a cock?
Have a nice dayHe said to ponder his username.
One could guess, maybe he has a degree, maybe he was a certified math teacher, might have had a career in math, maybe he just loves math?
Like my username, I’m from the 208 and I’m just makin chips.
One time, at PRS Camp, I received corrections from my Soviet Spotter, Swedish Spotter, and British Spotter, and they were all different. I didn’t know what to do!True Milliradian is rounded to 6,283.185307179586…../circle
I might have these labels incorrect, but I believe it to be.
NATO 6,400/circle
Warsaw pact (USSR) 6,000/circle
Swedish 6,300/circle
I would guess that all modern riflescopes in the US market are based on true Milliradians.
He said to ponder his username.
One could guess, maybe he has a degree, maybe he was a certified math teacher, might have had a career in math, maybe he just loves math?
Like my username, I’m from the 208 and I’m just makin chips.
Not your fault. This happens basically every single time this topic comes up. It's normal. Hopefully we can help people learn the truth over time.Guys please if I could delete the thread I would