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Port strike coming… not going to be good!
- Thread starter sirhrmechanic
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The Longshoremen are total fucking bullshit, and our ports fucking suck worse than many parts of the third world.
Read ‘em and weep.
Read ‘em and weep.
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I'm sure one of my ancestors had similar thoughts when tractors were invented, and yet we're still employed even as farm employment dropped from about 14M a century ago (about 15% of the total population) to 3M today (less than 1% of the population).
If automation is so bad for the labor environment, why are we even bothering with containerization and heavy equipment? Load individual boxes into a cargo hold and unload the whole fuckin' thing by hand. Think of all those jobs that we'd create!
She/he wannabe is! Too much stupidity runs in that family reasons to block this fucktard.
NO shit, hence why they are taking the actions they are. You make it as painful and costly to the point preservation of American Jobs are the least bad choice. Loosing 5B a day in trade is costly. If the US Gov was doing their job, they wouldn't have allowed these companies control of our ports in the first place. If the Gov was doing their job, they would be taxing the fuck out of these companies to keep the Money circulating in the US Economy. If the US gov was doing their job they would force these companies to maintain their ships and crew to at least basic US minimum standards so they don't know down fucking bridges. A few of these ships could do the same amount of damage as dropping ballistic missiles on our bridges to block shipping channels.
If some eurotrash faggot billionaire only makes 20 billion instead of 22 billion in profit this year, is that really so sad?
If it was US companies it would at least be more palatable.
Most of you sound like defeatist cucks. Roll over and die. Give up. Talk shit about the people trying to fight. Its pathetic.
I can't wait until automation and AI puts you out of a job. When your sucking cock under the freeway so you kid can have a happy meal, at least I can say I told you so.
This seems appropriate about now.
What is the employment rate? What was the percentage of people living in poverty? How many people starved to death?
Only an autistic fuck would say ALL automation is bad. Only an autistic would compare machinery that took us out of the agricultural age and into the industrial revolution to the Information age to the AI age. Machines are replacing humans, not supplementing them. The whole point is to increase profit, decrease labor costs and increase throughput. What happens when Doctors and Lawyers and Accountants and Engineers are replaced by AI, since they can do it better. Are there going to be 1 for 1 job replacements for the Billions of people who are going to loose their job to automation? What happens then? You are disposable, in fact, you become a liability as someone needs to now cloth, feed and house you. Less people working = Less tax revenue. You think the elites who write the fucking tax codes for their benefit are going to allow them to re-write it so they pay the difference?
You can have modern conveniences and technology without making the human race obsolete. Unless you plan to kill off 95% of the world population, there is going to be a reckoning. Maybe its a virus, maybe its war, maybe people just starve to death since the means of production will be controlled by an elite few.
Is a company making less profit/margin but gainfully employing people who are productive members of society better or worse than a small wealthy oligarchy and the rest of the masses being poor peasants. These are all things society has to figure out before its too late. Automating entire industries out of existence, when there is so much fucking money being made they can EASILY pay everyone and still make money hand over fist sounds foolish. Is some euro trash faggot going to take on the burden of supporting 45k workers and their families? Are they going to pay the US gov the lost tax revenue? Are they going to pay for all the welfare and social programs those people will consume?
You better pray the longshoreman prevail because it may be your industry they come for next. Lets hope you have the balls and foresight to do something about it before its too late.
World Bank, same people who loan money to nations with terms they can never meet and then enslave them raking in the money. They are one of the most evil entities on the planet and almost anything they say or so is the opposite of good. They are balls deep in most of the NGO bullshit that fuels conflict and corruption around the globe.
The brainwashing and ignorance in here is stunning.
Why do you have such a hard on love for the unions and want them to be able to hold hard working American Citizens hostage to their ever increasing demands for some ever increasing huge pay scale "that they deserve" according to you?
It's almost like you want everybody else (who by the way hasn't seen wages go up at all and are struggling to still make ends meet) to have to pay way more money for everything so these union types you worship can get tons of money and keep being inefficient and their thuggish unions having a stranglehold on part of the economy.
Why?
You seem to not realize that it's NOT any "big foreign company" that will be paying this, it's all those hard working average american citizens you seem to despise who are doing all the stuff that makes the country run, silently, quietly without drama. All those types that are hard pressed to make ends meet will have to pay more for everything so the union folks you seem to worship can have a grand rich lifestyle and be powerful thugs?
Why?
What's your actual connection with loving the Unions so much?
I gotta disagree
If things were produced here there'd be no need for all this. Companies moved production to foreign nations because the labor plus the cost of shipping combined is cheaper than producing here at the living standard that Americans require. To push for these guys to make less, is to make the outsourcing even more profitable.
Don't shit on people who make a higher wage than you simply because they make a higher wage. You look like a whining loser. Nobody keeps you at your own shitty job other than yourself
Has nothing to do with unions. It has to do with good paying American Jobs that support a strong middle class that highly correlates with the individuals right... IE freedom.
I have been on the opposite end of the table with unions during CBA negotiations. If you can't be objective and try to understand something from the other sides point of view, and try to come up with a solution that works for everyone, then you have no place to speak.
ALOT of wages have gone up from 2017 until now. Its probably the most wage growth in the history of the US. The problem is, inflation has also been sky high and has erased alot of that purchasing power. I got by biggest COL adjustment ever last year.
Its real easy. We have American Workers and Foreign owned companies. American workers pay taxes, buy houses, shop, have kids and send them to school,ect. Foreign corps are literately extracting wealth from this nation. They are not paying US taxes on their profits. They are running decrepit equipment that would never be allowed. They are running cheap, poorly trained and skilled crews to keep costs down and profits up. They are a danger to the US from a strategic perspective.
As far as the American population bitching about short term pain to preserve these jobs. Well that sucks. Every single person bitching would do the exact same fucking thing the union members are doing to protect their jobs and families. If you want to be mad at someone, Be mad at the shipping companies making record profits, spending it overseas , and forcing the longshoreman hand. No one cared about the longshoremen or their jobs being lost before it started to personally effect them.
Be mad at your government for allowing this situation to happen. Be mad at your politicians for letting foreign owned companies control our trade. Be mad at politicians for not enforcing the same standards for them to operate within US waters. Be Mad at the shipping owners who dont give a fuck about any American, except extracting as much wealth as possible , as fast as possible.
Saying they wont pay for it and will pass on the cost is bullshit retarded talking points. If the government was doing whats in the best interest, it would force these companies to operate on a fair playing field where domestic competition has a chance. There are levers and buttons (Tariffs, taxes, regulations, enforcement,ect) that can be pushed and pulled to make this happen, but they don't give a fuck about you or doing whats best for the American People.
There is a world where a company can make plenty of money, there be a bunch of good paying middle class jobs and US remains strategically strong. But for some reason, most of you dickheads are rooting for the enemy.
I know it's going to open a childish shit storm, but so be it.
Union wages are what sets the bar for open shop wages, at least in the building trades. Open shop companies charge customers just enough less to be appealing, but pay their workers significantly less, therefore making a greater profit for themselves.
There are shitbag workers in both sectors. It's just jealous rhetoric to rail against a group of people that you don't really know anything at all about other than caveman tribalism
ETA: "This guy makes too much money because it's more than I think it should be"
Union wages are what sets the bar for open shop wages, at least in the building trades. Open shop companies charge customers just enough less to be appealing, but pay their workers significantly less, therefore making a greater profit for themselves.
There are shitbag workers in both sectors. It's just jealous rhetoric to rail against a group of people that you don't really know anything at all about other than caveman tribalism
ETA: "This guy makes too much money because it's more than I think it should be"
Exactly. We saw an explosion in manufacturing under TRUMP as regulations were relaxed and foreign competitors who DO NOT PLAY BY THE SAME RULES, were forced to compete. Its totally viable from manufacturing, to mining to energy and logistics. We just have to have the stomach to do it but so many of our leaders are bought and paid for by our adversaries its an uphill battle.
Oldest game in town. Divide and conquer. Get everyone fighting each other so they don't fight the idiots in charge making the bad decisions. It happens with politics every cycle.
People are letting the news and talking heads shape their opinions not understanding who pays those talking head salaries....Brought to you by Pfizer and Merck
"I don't have the ability to periodically neogtiate an increase in my compensation, so fuck those who do."
Typical Hide union thread...
Sooner or later, folks might start to realize that labor (union and nonunion, blue and white collar) has seen their pay increase at a mere FRACTION of the rate that corporate management has over the last 2-3 decades. Yeah everybody with a 401k benefits from a rising stock market, and being responsible for large corporations is a huge responsibility befitting appropriate compensation, but the people near the bottom are losing ground relative to inflation (I'm not talking the last two years) while the people near the top continue to move futher ahead.
And I say that as somebody who would likely be considered as somebody nearer to the top than the bottom.
Typical Hide union thread...
Sooner or later, folks might start to realize that labor (union and nonunion, blue and white collar) has seen their pay increase at a mere FRACTION of the rate that corporate management has over the last 2-3 decades. Yeah everybody with a 401k benefits from a rising stock market, and being responsible for large corporations is a huge responsibility befitting appropriate compensation, but the people near the bottom are losing ground relative to inflation (I'm not talking the last two years) while the people near the top continue to move futher ahead.
And I say that as somebody who would likely be considered as somebody nearer to the top than the bottom.
We've all seen the video of Harold Dagget (a millionaire) bragging about how many people will get laid off if the ILA demands aren't meant. He didn't seem very worried about the effect on those families, did he?
To be fair, and somewhat even:
Unions buy corrupt politicians, and they are expensive. Company owners do the same, but they don't have the buying power of a big union.
The system sucks, but it's not exactly the working man's fault. It's more of a "swamp" issue
Unions buy corrupt politicians, and they are expensive. Company owners do the same, but they don't have the buying power of a big union.
The system sucks, but it's not exactly the working man's fault. It's more of a "swamp" issue
What are you talking about? Try and make sense.
His allegiance is to his union members. That's why he was elected their leader and gets compensated that way. No one gave a shit about the Longshoremen before....all of a sudden when it effects their job they will start to care.
His compensation by the way, is lower than most people in similar position. Union leaders of unions that size, CEOs, People who run Non-profits ect. Hell people who work at colleges and football coaches make more money. And that's taxpayer dollars, not from union dues.
He likely doesn't care one bit. His job is to be a shitbag negotiator and make the best deal possible. He's paid to be an asshole
Oh they do the same. I live outside DC and know a ton of people who are lobbyists. There are 10 times the number of full time lobbyists as members of congress. Corporations buy votes to kill competition. Regulation really only hurts small business, as its a bigger percentage of their overhead. Big Corps fucking LOVE regulation. Its a huge barrier to entry.
The point is companies, hell even non profits and NGO's are all buying politicians. Unions are no different, just a different special interest.
While unions can absolutely lobby politicians for policies favorable to their members, it is a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act and CWA v. Beck for direct member dues to be used for political activity (ie. campaign contributions).
That's what PACs are for.
That's what PACs are for.
I have always said the difference in union and non union is. when the customer bids job they charge same rate. But non union pays there employees less so it’s more money in pocket. In ky when they did away with prevailing wage even the non union companies got pissed cause they used those wages to bid against union on jobs.
They dont pay taxes either. And your kids are poorer as a result. Congrats Cuck
I'm totally with you on everything accept feeling bad because they work difficult hours. They get paid very well and they want 10% more per year guaranteed and will get a lot of what they want. There's even a good point there about automation and the potential for foreign control of it, maintenance ect...
If it wasn't such a great job, they wouldn't want their kids to do it and be so adminant about that so spare me the long hard hours. Many many other jobs do too and then some
Not trying to be argumentative, but the exact same logic could be applied to these longshoremen. If they don't like their pay, work conditions, etc., all they have to do is hunt another job.
Not the same thing.
If your job hits a ceiling with no chance of progression, that falls behind the inflation rate causing you to lose buying power, and all you do is complain that others make too much. That's what I'm referring to.
I don't know the conditions that longshoremen have or are fighting for, but this is how negotiations have always gone. Both sides say crazy shit and settle in the middle somewhere that both sides will accept. These aren't dead end jobs as above
DBD is in a berserker rage lashing out in all directions at anything that moves. He can't tell friend from foe.
The World Bank has a pretty straightforward ranking system according to efficiency. They collected the data. I don't want to marry them.
The World Bank has a pretty straightforward ranking system according to efficiency. They collected the data. I don't want to marry them.
It's the exact same thing. It is called free will, the most important aspect of a free society. No one has welded anyone to a job or a career, military service aside. The unions have simply brought a little bit of collectivism into America, it's that simple. Lots of people move jobs to get raises that wouldn't otherwise come about. Why union jobs are sacrosanct is beyond me. Unless they are actually afraid to find other jobs because they are already being paid more than the market will bear for the jobs they perform and they know it. Or they don't have the skills to find other jobs. But those are realities everyone has to face and get over or get left behind.
A woefully incomplete list of things that also don't pay taxes:
- CAD workstations
- CNC machines
- printing presses
- cordless power tools
- man lifts and boom trucks
- combine harvesters
- ice makers
- plastic injection molding machines
- floor scrubbers
- PCB auto-routing software tools
- security cameras
- onboard diagnostic systems
I'd call this sort of hand-wringing about automation a "midwit take", but that's unfair to midwits since many of them have successfully passed a freshman introductory course in economics.
yea,expect a full on continuation if trump gets in_LOL. 1 of many things they have planned to wreck the country and blame on him.
yea,i often think that they would be better served by letting him win. the plan to destroy the country is locked in. when they turn it up-haitians,chinese,cartel invaders just to start. the cnn watchers will buy into their explanations. might never have to steal another election.
they clear the way for big mike and newsome,which i believe is in the works.
they clear the way for big mike and newsome,which i believe is in the works.
Not speaking to you specifically, but everyone in general... If you hit a pay ceiling and are unhappy with it, then it's time for developing new skills and start a new career. I speak from experience because that's exactly what I did. I used to be a heavy equipment mechanic and hit the ceiling. I went back to college and earned a mechanical engineering degree. It was well worth the blood, sweat and tears to get it. It's not the responsibility of the employer to pay you more just because you're unhappy you hit the ceiling. It's not "your' job. It's the employers job. You are replaceable by someone who would be happy with your pay ceiling.
He has been banned multiple times. Has been here much longer under other names. Some crab and football related.
union troll? what the fuck are you yammering about. not a union fan,even a little. never had much to say about them.
My sincere apologies. I thought I was quoting a DeathbeforeDismemberment post. Sorry, too much posting on a Friday evening.
That is who I thought you were talking about as well.
He was CobraCutter, crabsandfootball, clamhammer, and probably a few others. Search any of those and you will see.
“Union negotiation” by any other name…
Interesting. Last place I worked the HMEM (Heavy Maintenance / Equipment mechanics) made more than any engineer at the agency, including SES. 200K+ with overtime/Per diem/differential. Hard fucking work but one of the most in demand jobs out there.
Then again you stay a lot cleaner and can work alot longer without your body breaking down in an office.,
