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lots of possibilities from one local with that very cool. not hard to make either
lots of possibilities from one local with that very cool. not hard to make either
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That looks like lots of fun. I shot one match once that used scaffolding. The shooting position was 3 stories up and was about 18x48 inches, so you had to squeeze yourself onto it. If you either couldn't make it to the top, or if you choose to shoot from a lower platform, every lower platform cost you possible points. It was lots of fun, but climbing up 3 stories of scaffolding with all your rifle, ammo, gear, will really have you sucking wind if you do it within the time limit.
Anything like that presents some really interesting problems.
That looks like lots of fun. I shot one match once that used scaffolding. The shooting position was 3 stories up and was about 18x48 inches, so you had to squeeze yourself onto it. If you either couldn't make it to the top, or if you choose to shoot from a lower platform, every lower platform cost you possible points. It was lots of fun, but climbing up 3 stories of scaffolding with all your rifle, ammo, gear, will really have you sucking wind if you do it within the time limit.
Anything like that presents some really interesting problems.
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Scott look good but, I don't have to wear the helmet do I? I will sign a release if necessary.
Scott look good but, I don't have to wear the helmet do I? I will sign a release if necessary.
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Just wanted to say thanks for the match. I was the most fun I've had in a long time.
Good people good guns and lots of noise.
I'm still looking into a setting up a match (maybe with a uspsa feel to it) would like your input on ranges and target sizes.
Just wanted to say thanks for the match. I was the most fun I've had in a long time.
Good people good guns and lots of noise.
I'm still looking into a setting up a match (maybe with a uspsa feel to it) would like your input on ranges and target sizes.
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Thanks for another great event, Scott,... You really know how to organize a great COF,... This was easily the most frustrating event I've ever taken part in as everything from my dope sheet (wrong for the conditions), zero (way off due to damn Premier locking (HAH!) knob), and my eye-sight (blurry and stinging from spray-on sun-screen,... don't recommend it) rendered my shooting totally worthless,... Excuses aside, it was fun to meet some great folks and as usual, everything OUT of my control went smoothly
Thanks again,...
Ry
Thanks for another great event, Scott,... You really know how to organize a great COF,... This was easily the most frustrating event I've ever taken part in as everything from my dope sheet (wrong for the conditions), zero (way off due to damn Premier locking (HAH!) knob), and my eye-sight (blurry and stinging from spray-on sun-screen,... don't recommend it) rendered my shooting totally worthless,... Excuses aside, it was fun to meet some great folks and as usual, everything OUT of my control went smoothly
Ry
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott look good but, I don't have to wear the helmet do I? I will sign a release if necessary.</div></div>
Marty.... we've got a "special" helmet for you....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott look good but, I don't have to wear the helmet do I? I will sign a release if necessary.</div></div>
Marty.... we've got a "special" helmet for you....
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I need some opinions here... I really don't feel a "connection" with my TRG. It shoots amazingly well, and as I got a bit more comfortable shooting it over the weekend I did pretty well with it on day 2 of TSI's match, but for some reason I just think I prefer the feel of a rifle with a traditional stock. It's one of those intangible things. Have you guys ever found yourselves feeling that way towards a rifle that is a great rifle, but you just can't love it?
I need some opinions here... I really don't feel a "connection" with my TRG. It shoots amazingly well, and as I got a bit more comfortable shooting it over the weekend I did pretty well with it on day 2 of TSI's match, but for some reason I just think I prefer the feel of a rifle with a traditional stock. It's one of those intangible things. Have you guys ever found yourselves feeling that way towards a rifle that is a great rifle, but you just can't love it?
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Craig let me know if you are going to let any of it go because I love your rifle.
Craig let me know if you are going to let any of it go because I love your rifle.
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Chad, thanks for being so thoughtful about the helmet issue, I was really concerned it was going to mess up what little hair I have left. Craig, spend some more time behind that stock, I think most will agree its a really ergonomic friendly stock, but it just takes a little time getting used to it.
Chad, thanks for being so thoughtful about the helmet issue, I was really concerned it was going to mess up what little hair I have left. Craig, spend some more time behind that stock, I think most will agree its a really ergonomic friendly stock, but it just takes a little time getting used to it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
Aren't you enabling Scott's rifle ADHD?
Kinda like give an alcoholic a drink!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
Aren't you enabling Scott's rifle ADHD?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: akmike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
Aren't you enabling Scott's rifle ADHD?
Kinda like give an alcoholic a drink!</div></div>
sorry to dissapoint guys i am not buying it and never was interested in buying the whole rifle. I currently have a trg 22 and 42 at benchmark both of which are getting new barrels 243,7rem mag (aka fuck barrel life i wanna go fast mama!!!!)
However this is the exact rifle my teammate 264win just built so it was alittle tempting, but not in the cards right now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: akmike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
Aren't you enabling Scott's rifle ADHD?
sorry to dissapoint guys i am not buying it and never was interested in buying the whole rifle. I currently have a trg 22 and 42 at benchmark both of which are getting new barrels 243,7rem mag (aka fuck barrel life i wanna go fast mama!!!!)
However this is the exact rifle my teammate 264win just built so it was alittle tempting, but not in the cards right now.
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Market Garden,
I know exactly what you are talking about. I spent lots of time with the various Steyer Augs, and never did warm up to them. I think it is because I have so much time on rifles like AR-15's, M1A's, Garands and the like that I just couldn't get to where I liked the rifle's ergonomics.
There was nothing wrong with either my short black Aug, or my longer Green one. I even ordered the crosshair reticle. They shot just fine, were amazingly reliable, even in matches where I was required to roll through the sand 3X with the rifle at my chest prior to starting the stage. And what was weird was that they always returned exactly to zero even after I removed the barrel for cleaning....not just close, but perfectly on zero every damned time.
I eventually sold them all (3 of 'em) and have stayed with the AR15 and other platforms that I'm used to.
The Augs were fine rifles, just not for me.
I have a TRG22, and it is one of the rifles I just love. For me, it is one of the easiest rifles I have to shoot well. I did find that the height of the cheekpiece makes a HUGE difference in how well the rifle shoots for others.
I let a Ranger designated marksman shoot my TRG. He is a fabulous shot...but he couldn't shoot my TRG worth a damn until we raised up the cheekpiece about a quarter of an inch. Then it shot great for him, and he loves the rifle. That may be an issue for you to consider.
Market Garden,
I know exactly what you are talking about. I spent lots of time with the various Steyer Augs, and never did warm up to them. I think it is because I have so much time on rifles like AR-15's, M1A's, Garands and the like that I just couldn't get to where I liked the rifle's ergonomics.
There was nothing wrong with either my short black Aug, or my longer Green one. I even ordered the crosshair reticle. They shot just fine, were amazingly reliable, even in matches where I was required to roll through the sand 3X with the rifle at my chest prior to starting the stage. And what was weird was that they always returned exactly to zero even after I removed the barrel for cleaning....not just close, but perfectly on zero every damned time.
I eventually sold them all (3 of 'em) and have stayed with the AR15 and other platforms that I'm used to.
The Augs were fine rifles, just not for me.
I have a TRG22, and it is one of the rifles I just love. For me, it is one of the easiest rifles I have to shoot well. I did find that the height of the cheekpiece makes a HUGE difference in how well the rifle shoots for others.
I let a Ranger designated marksman shoot my TRG. He is a fabulous shot...but he couldn't shoot my TRG worth a damn until we raised up the cheekpiece about a quarter of an inch. Then it shot great for him, and he loves the rifle. That may be an issue for you to consider.
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If there are any spare TRG22 barrels out there, I wouldn't mind finding out what people want for them. My rifle has about 3000 rounds through it, and eventually will need a new barrel. Although I'm not sure if the TRG's will headspace up correctly if they are just screwed onto the action.
The barrels have a chromed bore, so I don't think the headspace can be adjusted on them. But with the way Sako builds things for the Military, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that spare barrels just screw into place if the proper amount of torque is applied.
If there are any spare TRG22 barrels out there, I wouldn't mind finding out what people want for them. My rifle has about 3000 rounds through it, and eventually will need a new barrel. Although I'm not sure if the TRG's will headspace up correctly if they are just screwed onto the action.
The barrels have a chromed bore, so I don't think the headspace can be adjusted on them. But with the way Sako builds things for the Military, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that spare barrels just screw into place if the proper amount of torque is applied.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I was really concerned it was going to mess up what little hair I have left. </div></div> Marty-I haven't found a razor or a hairdresser in a while(aka Mountain Man). Just ask the folks from the shoot last weekend. I'm sure I could give you a lock or three if you'r worried, or we could all chip in and get you a wig.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I was really concerned it was going to mess up what little hair I have left. </div></div> Marty-I haven't found a razor or a hairdresser in a while(aka Mountain Man). Just ask the folks from the shoot last weekend. I'm sure I could give you a lock or three if you'r worried, or we could all chip in and get you a wig.
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any idea what the thread pitch and related dimensions are on the action threads for a TRG?
any idea what the thread pitch and related dimensions are on the action threads for a TRG?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
I'd give you shit, but it would be too predictable of me
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am seriously considering selling it. I feel guilty about it because it's such a great rifle, but I just don't love it. If I sell it and you want it Scott I'll give you first shot at it. </div></div>
I'd give you shit, but it would be too predictable of me
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need some opinions here... I really don't feel a "connection" with my TRG. It shoots amazingly well, and as I got a bit more comfortable shooting it over the weekend I did pretty well with it on day 2 of TSI's match, but for some reason I just think I prefer the feel of a rifle with a traditional stock. It's one of those intangible things. Have you guys ever found yourselves feeling that way towards a rifle that is a great rifle, but you just can't love it? </div></div>
You realize that you are getting TSI syndrome. That is such a nice rifle I hope you think about it again before you decide to sell it.
SScott
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need some opinions here... I really don't feel a "connection" with my TRG. It shoots amazingly well, and as I got a bit more comfortable shooting it over the weekend I did pretty well with it on day 2 of TSI's match, but for some reason I just think I prefer the feel of a rifle with a traditional stock. It's one of those intangible things. Have you guys ever found yourselves feeling that way towards a rifle that is a great rifle, but you just can't love it? </div></div>
You realize that you are getting TSI syndrome. That is such a nice rifle I hope you think about it again before you decide to sell it.
SScott
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alan_H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TSI syndrome.....ha! i love it!</div></div>
hey i resemble that remark, only issue is i absolutely love my trg's and after all the damn rifles i have owned it is by far my favorite. Not gonna go crazy with any bold statements about never selling, but i am not planning on it. Only thing that i still have interest in trying is the trg folder one of these days.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alan_H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TSI syndrome.....ha! i love it!</div></div>
hey i resemble that remark, only issue is i absolutely love my trg's and after all the damn rifles i have owned it is by far my favorite. Not gonna go crazy with any bold statements about never selling, but i am not planning on it. Only thing that i still have interest in trying is the trg folder one of these days.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tribe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure you don't want to double down?
</div></div>
Well what are the terms?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tribe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure you don't want to double down?
Well what are the terms?
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<span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"> <span style="color: #000099"> Tribe- didja ever get the 100 bucks from the LAST bet on rifle retention?
</span> </span> </span> </span>
<span style="font-style: italic"> However,</span> TeamSendIt does keep us entertained with his disease. Just saying....
<span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"> <span style="color: #000099"> Tribe- didja ever get the 100 bucks from the LAST bet on rifle retention?
<span style="font-style: italic"> However,</span> TeamSendIt does keep us entertained with his disease. Just saying....
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If there's one thing Scott is, it's a man of his word...
No terms man... I actually think this TRG thing might stick..... the last dozen or so.... not so much...
If there's one thing Scott is, it's a man of his word...
No terms man... I actually think this TRG thing might stick..... the last dozen or so.... not so much...
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Hey MG. Look into the folding stock before you sell. It looks like a more traditional pistol grip with a lot of adjustments for LOP, & cheek height. Maybe you'll feel a better "connection" with that.
Hey MG. Look into the folding stock before you sell. It looks like a more traditional pistol grip with a lot of adjustments for LOP, & cheek height. Maybe you'll feel a better "connection" with that.
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FYI guys...
I had someone contact me with some real estate questions, so I wanted to let everyone here know I'm a Real Estate Broker that specializes in selling Bank Owned Properties, Foreclosures, etc and I'm an Accredited Buyer's Representative. THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR SERVICES, but if you ever have questions regarding someone you know or yourself and need honest answers or help please feel free to call or e-mail me. If you're working with an Agent or in a contract please call your agent as legally I can't assist you without violating real estate law. There is a LOT of mis-information regarding foreclosures and it can be hard to know your rights or what to do. In this economy we all know someone affected in some way and unfortunately not everyone in my profession is ethical or staying within the law.
- Nick Setting
FYI guys...
I had someone contact me with some real estate questions, so I wanted to let everyone here know I'm a Real Estate Broker that specializes in selling Bank Owned Properties, Foreclosures, etc and I'm an Accredited Buyer's Representative. THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR SERVICES, but if you ever have questions regarding someone you know or yourself and need honest answers or help please feel free to call or e-mail me. If you're working with an Agent or in a contract please call your agent as legally I can't assist you without violating real estate law. There is a LOT of mis-information regarding foreclosures and it can be hard to know your rights or what to do. In this economy we all know someone affected in some way and unfortunately not everyone in my profession is ethical or staying within the law.
- Nick Setting
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TSI syndrome.. I always thought it was MG syndrome. Now the question is who contracted it first?
TSI syndrome.. I always thought it was MG syndrome. Now the question is who contracted it first?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI guys...
I had someone contact me with some real estate questions, so I wanted to let everyone here know I'm a Real Estate Broker that specializes in selling Bank Owned Properties, Foreclosures, etc and I'm an Accredited Buyer's Representative. THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR SERVICES, but if you ever have questions regarding someone you know or yourself and need honest answers or help please feel free to call or e-mail me. If you're working with an Agent or in a contract please call your agent as legally I can't assist you without violating real estate law. There is a LOT of mis-information regarding foreclosures and it can be hard to know your rights or what to do. In this economy we all know someone affected in some way and unfortunately not everyone in my profession is ethical or staying within the law.
- Nick Setting
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Nick that is some valuable information for fellow wa hiders, having an agent you can trust is huge. I know this because I am an Insurance Agent which most of you already know. It was good to meet you this weekend even though i didn't get to see you much (good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
Being at a good agency is what allows me the days off to setup matches for you guys, so if you guys ever have insurance questions or would like quotes on virtually anything auto, home, boat, rv, motorcycle, life, health or commercial interests please give me a call first.
Scott Stuurmans
Porter Stuurmans Insurance
work phone 360 678 5855
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI guys...
I had someone contact me with some real estate questions, so I wanted to let everyone here know I'm a Real Estate Broker that specializes in selling Bank Owned Properties, Foreclosures, etc and I'm an Accredited Buyer's Representative. THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR SERVICES, but if you ever have questions regarding someone you know or yourself and need honest answers or help please feel free to call or e-mail me. If you're working with an Agent or in a contract please call your agent as legally I can't assist you without violating real estate law. There is a LOT of mis-information regarding foreclosures and it can be hard to know your rights or what to do. In this economy we all know someone affected in some way and unfortunately not everyone in my profession is ethical or staying within the law.
- Nick Setting
</div></div>
Nick that is some valuable information for fellow wa hiders, having an agent you can trust is huge. I know this because I am an Insurance Agent which most of you already know. It was good to meet you this weekend even though i didn't get to see you much (good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
Being at a good agency is what allows me the days off to setup matches for you guys, so if you guys ever have insurance questions or would like quotes on virtually anything auto, home, boat, rv, motorcycle, life, health or commercial interests please give me a call first.
Scott Stuurmans
Porter Stuurmans Insurance
work phone 360 678 5855
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
</div></div>
Let's just say it's being dealt with and could have been handled better. No one who buys a $3k rifle should ever have to ask "You aren't going to make me pay to ship it back are you?" for a known defect...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
</div></div>
Let's just say it's being dealt with and could have been handled better. No one who buys a $3k rifle should ever have to ask "You aren't going to make me pay to ship it back are you?" for a known defect...
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Apparently I have 1 of 22 GAP-10's that had a bad reamer used on it and the chamber as a result is too tight. Every time I had to eject a live round I would have to yank on the tac latch and it pulled the casing off dumping grain everywhere and leaving the bullet jammed in the chamber. Then I'd have to knock the bullet tip out with a rod and field strip it to clean out the grain. I ended up not even getting to shoot 2 stages and having problems completing a couple others. That compiled with the frustration of having to fix it 4x and clean it each time... well... lets just say my performance wasn't that great. Then when I called GAP they told me they knew about the problem and all I had to do was ship it back and they'd turn it around same day. After an awkward silence I had to ask if they were going to make me pay to ship it back which was followed by another awkward silence and them saying they could send me a call tag to ship back. The whole thing that annoys me is that if they knew there was an issue they could have sent some form of letter and/or email to the people that might have had an issue and then they should have right off the bat offered to have it shipped back on their dime. For $3K I should never have had to even ask. Not once did I ever hear an apology for the inconvenience either. It cost me well over $20 in ammo, the 8 hrs round trip of driving to a match that I spent 1/2 the time dealing with it, and then the cost of the shipping tube etc etc. A simple "Sorry about that..." would have helped. All this after I was even nice enough to send them back Badger Ordinance rings I never ordered or paid for that they sent me by mistake, and when they almost sent me a uni-mount for free I again did the right thing and reminded them I needed to pay for it still which at least they were good enough to give me a 10% discount and take off what it cost me to ship the rings back to them.
After everything I've read about their customer service I expected more I guess. Hopefully it will still have the same accuracy as before which I was very pleased with. I know shit happens and I'll get off the Waaambulance eventually lol...
Apparently I have 1 of 22 GAP-10's that had a bad reamer used on it and the chamber as a result is too tight. Every time I had to eject a live round I would have to yank on the tac latch and it pulled the casing off dumping grain everywhere and leaving the bullet jammed in the chamber. Then I'd have to knock the bullet tip out with a rod and field strip it to clean out the grain. I ended up not even getting to shoot 2 stages and having problems completing a couple others. That compiled with the frustration of having to fix it 4x and clean it each time... well... lets just say my performance wasn't that great. Then when I called GAP they told me they knew about the problem and all I had to do was ship it back and they'd turn it around same day. After an awkward silence I had to ask if they were going to make me pay to ship it back which was followed by another awkward silence and them saying they could send me a call tag to ship back. The whole thing that annoys me is that if they knew there was an issue they could have sent some form of letter and/or email to the people that might have had an issue and then they should have right off the bat offered to have it shipped back on their dime. For $3K I should never have had to even ask. Not once did I ever hear an apology for the inconvenience either. It cost me well over $20 in ammo, the 8 hrs round trip of driving to a match that I spent 1/2 the time dealing with it, and then the cost of the shipping tube etc etc. A simple "Sorry about that..." would have helped. All this after I was even nice enough to send them back Badger Ordinance rings I never ordered or paid for that they sent me by mistake, and when they almost sent me a uni-mount for free I again did the right thing and reminded them I needed to pay for it still which at least they were good enough to give me a 10% discount and take off what it cost me to ship the rings back to them.
After everything I've read about their customer service I expected more I guess. Hopefully it will still have the same accuracy as before which I was very pleased with. I know shit happens and I'll get off the Waaambulance eventually lol...
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Would it be possible they didn't know which people got the bad batch? That really sucks that it had to happen to you.
Would it be possible they didn't know which people got the bad batch? That really sucks that it had to happen to you.
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Another reason I test fire all my builds before they leave the shop. It amazes that the larger shops don't do this.
Another reason I test fire all my builds before they leave the shop. It amazes that the larger shops don't do this.
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At least GaPrecision admitted there was a problem.
I bought a DPMS LR308 that had a short throat. A gunsmith at the range verified the short throat, and even noted the throat retained the bullet while the powder in the pulled case went all over the action. You could see the lands and grooves in the bullets I knocked out of the throat.
The rifle was returned to DPMS who said there were feeding problems that they corrected, but the throat was fine. Fortunately, the same gunsmith was there to call BS on that...he noted that the throat no longer retained the bullets, and all the unusual pressure signs had disappeared.
The rifle shoots fine now, but I just don't trust a company that denies there is an issue, fixes it, and still won't admit to having cured a problem. Occasional problems happen, and as long as they are corrected, I'm OK with that. Although I would expect half as many problems with a $3,000 rifle as with a $1500 rifle. At least GA precision admits there was an issue... I couldn't get DPMS to admit that there was even a quality control issue.
If you make enough of anything, there will eventually be some kind of problem. Just man up and take care of it. That is simply being honorable. Expecting constant perfection isn't realistic, but expecting basic honesty isn't asking too much of any company. At least GA precision is honest about it. DPMS, not so much.
At least GaPrecision admitted there was a problem.
I bought a DPMS LR308 that had a short throat. A gunsmith at the range verified the short throat, and even noted the throat retained the bullet while the powder in the pulled case went all over the action. You could see the lands and grooves in the bullets I knocked out of the throat.
The rifle was returned to DPMS who said there were feeding problems that they corrected, but the throat was fine. Fortunately, the same gunsmith was there to call BS on that...he noted that the throat no longer retained the bullets, and all the unusual pressure signs had disappeared.
The rifle shoots fine now, but I just don't trust a company that denies there is an issue, fixes it, and still won't admit to having cured a problem. Occasional problems happen, and as long as they are corrected, I'm OK with that. Although I would expect half as many problems with a $3,000 rifle as with a $1500 rifle. At least GA precision admits there was an issue... I couldn't get DPMS to admit that there was even a quality control issue.
If you make enough of anything, there will eventually be some kind of problem. Just man up and take care of it. That is simply being honorable. Expecting constant perfection isn't realistic, but expecting basic honesty isn't asking too much of any company. At least GA precision is honest about it. DPMS, not so much.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
</div></div>
Let's just say it's being dealt with and could have been handled better. No one who buys a $3k rifle should ever have to ask "You aren't going to make me pay to ship it back are you?" for a known defect...
</div></div>
Hey Broker, that sucks. I hope we'll hear a good report on accuracy when you get the fixed rig back. Your first pics of groups were really impressive. I hope I can get my OBR to shoot as well as what your GAP was doing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(good luck getting the gap ar 10 fixed)
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Let's just say it's being dealt with and could have been handled better. No one who buys a $3k rifle should ever have to ask "You aren't going to make me pay to ship it back are you?" for a known defect...
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Hey Broker, that sucks. I hope we'll hear a good report on accuracy when you get the fixed rig back. Your first pics of groups were really impressive. I hope I can get my OBR to shoot as well as what your GAP was doing.
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I agree about the honestly thing 100%. I just need to get over it and not expect more than everyone else. It happens and it's not like they did it with malicious intent. George makes great stuff and I have no doubts it will drive nails still.
And no Ryo they had no way of knowing who got the bad batch but it wouldn't have hurt to notify all in a quick general e-mail. It was a safety issue and anytime there's a safety issue you should notify your clients.
I agree about the honestly thing 100%. I just need to get over it and not expect more than everyone else. It happens and it's not like they did it with malicious intent. George makes great stuff and I have no doubts it will drive nails still.
And no Ryo they had no way of knowing who got the bad batch but it wouldn't have hurt to notify all in a quick general e-mail. It was a safety issue and anytime there's a safety issue you should notify your clients.
Re: SHWW Group
Broker, I'm glad you are getting your rifle fixed, it was almost painful watching you struggle with your rifle at the match this past weekend. The good thing is that you got your first match out of the way, so you got a taste of what they are about and you can prepare for the next one.
See you next time,
SScott
Broker, I'm glad you are getting your rifle fixed, it was almost painful watching you struggle with your rifle at the match this past weekend. The good thing is that you got your first match out of the way, so you got a taste of what they are about and you can prepare for the next one.
See you next time,
SScott
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sunnyside Scott</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Broker, I'm glad you are getting your rifle fixed, it was almost painful watching you struggle with your rifle at the match this past weekend. The good thing is that you got your first match out of the way, so you got a taste of what they are about and you can prepare for the next one.
See you next time,
SScott </div></div>
Exactly! I did get a free PMAG out of it and have fun despite the equipment and operator issues lol.
I'll be better equipped next time and have a dope to work from.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sunnyside Scott</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Broker, I'm glad you are getting your rifle fixed, it was almost painful watching you struggle with your rifle at the match this past weekend. The good thing is that you got your first match out of the way, so you got a taste of what they are about and you can prepare for the next one.
See you next time,
SScott </div></div>
Exactly! I did get a free PMAG out of it and have fun despite the equipment and operator issues lol.
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Yes! our very own site for the Findlay Cup
(even has a lot of your ugly mugs in the picture section)
http://www.findlaycup.net
Yes! our very own site for the Findlay Cup
(even has a lot of your ugly mugs in the picture section)
http://www.findlaycup.net
Re: SHWW Group
just made a 2009 photo disk for Monte to include, even have some pictures from the first shoot (will have to dig them up ASAP)
and if you guys have some pictures that aren't here - give us a link or get them to us please.
just made a 2009 photo disk for Monte to include, even have some pictures from the first shoot (will have to dig them up ASAP)
and if you guys have some pictures that aren't here - give us a link or get them to us please.
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