Still have it for now but my buddy is trying hard to get it from me. I’m really liking this PDC but I’ll see how much I like it after a match or two.
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The whole box at 100 yards
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I’m just glad I got things all lined out and Custom Gun Coatings aka Shortbus does a heck of a job. He’s done 4 stocks for me so far.
Shooting indoors definitely helps eliminate variations in wind.Daaayyyyuuuummm!
Nicely done DrG.
CCI 17hmr 20 grain fmj Gamepoint rated 2375 fps
CZ 455 Barrel block Fuglie with Lilja 20 inch heavy barrel
Visual check showed variations in seating depth and angle.
Roll the cartridges on a flat surface and visible tip wobble.
Brass dimensions varied as well. Some chambered easily,
others required extra oomph to seat and close the bolt.
ES in excess of 200 fps.
Cartridge defects explain the spread on target.
2.5 inch spread for 50 shots at 100 yards
CZ 455 Barrel block Fuglie with Lilja 20 inch heavy barrel
Visual check showed variations in seating depth and angle.
Roll the cartridges on a flat surface and visible tip wobble.
Brass dimensions varied as well. Some chambered easily,
others required extra oomph to seat and close the bolt.
ES in excess of 200 fps.
Cartridge defects explain the spread on target.
2.5 inch spread for 50 shots at 100 yards
CCI 17 grain 17hmr TNT jhp rated 2550 fps
CZ 455 Fuglie, Lilja barrel
Visual inspection showed fewer irregularities compared to the gamepoints.
A few showed longer cartridge lengths that when checked showed less seating depth.
Minimal tip wobble when rolled on a flat surface. Better quality cartridges, better results.
Still that CCI ES, over 200 fps.
1-3/8 inch spread for 50 shots in a quartering headwind.
CZ 455 Fuglie, Lilja barrel
Visual inspection showed fewer irregularities compared to the gamepoints.
A few showed longer cartridge lengths that when checked showed less seating depth.
Minimal tip wobble when rolled on a flat surface. Better quality cartridges, better results.
Still that CCI ES, over 200 fps.
1-3/8 inch spread for 50 shots in a quartering headwind.
I stumbled upon an indoor 100 yard range in Vandalia Ohio. May have to give this challenge a try.
Cheers
Cheers
Did a quick run thru of 50 shot groups at 50 yds and 100 yds. Didn't hold off for wind shift, just held center and pulled the trigger. The wind was about 3 - 4 mph. The rifle is my home made version of a MKIII with home made breech block and tuner.
Edited to say the target squares are 1.75" and the bulls are 1" diameter.
Edited to say the target squares are 1.75" and the bulls are 1" diameter.
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Not easy to maintain sub moa outdoors at 100 yards.
Not even with RWS R50 is it lion?
Use wind flags and still those random puffs and minor cartridge defects
spin those trajectories off just enough to be annoying.
Hey lion, what's going on in bullseye 13?
Not even with RWS R50 is it lion?
Use wind flags and still those random puffs and minor cartridge defects
spin those trajectories off just enough to be annoying.
Hey lion, what's going on in bullseye 13?
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There is definitely some great shooting here in this thread. The next time I get to the range I’ll have to give it a try even though the conditions are going to shit pretty fast here in Maine.
^^Great example of pre-building your excuse/hero storylines of the future!
(Totally fuckin with you. I’m not the poor bastard trying to shoot well in November. In Maine.)
^^Great example of pre-building your excuse/hero storylines of the future!
(Totally fuckin with you. I’m not the poor bastard trying to shoot well in November. In Maine.)
Na, that's not an excuse , thats a explaination of why he does so well - he's 16 degrees south of me !
i mean it couldn't possibly be because he shoots well, could it ?
natdscott you nailed it... ha! I love a little trash talk, it reassures me that I am in the right group of people.
I really hope to get out and be able to give this a go this weekend.
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A little snow never hurt.... I was doing some positional practice sunday in the snow.
Ive been watching this 1 moa for a box thing as soon as I seen it I figured its not possible but hey you never know.
P.s. Ill be waiting till spring to try lol.
I shoot with Hoser at the OTC in Colorado Springs. This is as close as I ever got to a perfect 600. Two stupid points off! I didn't (and still don't) know how to get the group size off the screen, but with the exception of two 9.9's, all 60 were in the 10 ring. Maybe Hose can estimate the group size.
The rifle is a 40X. IIRC, I was running the original 1963 barrel. TB 30P can. Ammo was Eley Edge. Scope was a 20X Super Sniper.
That's Hoser there on my right.
RimX
Green Mountain @ 18”
Prone with rear bag and bipod
50rds @ 100 yards
Temp: 62
Humidity 48%
wind: 6-10mph from 12:00-1:30
Shot 50 with my Center X that I use for matches as a baseline.
Green Mountain @ 18”
Prone with rear bag and bipod
50rds @ 100 yards
Temp: 62
Humidity 48%
wind: 6-10mph from 12:00-1:30
Shot 50 with my Center X that I use for matches as a baseline.
Federal AutoMatch 40 grain 22lr rated 1200 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja sporter barrel, Sinclair bipod, Mueller 8-32X44 target scope
Cartridges are visibly dinged up, crimps vary from loose to snug,
transition from nose to drive bands is uneven and the results are no surprise.
Strays spitting wide of the rest of the group due to minimal quality control.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja sporter barrel, Sinclair bipod, Mueller 8-32X44 target scope
Cartridges are visibly dinged up, crimps vary from loose to snug,
transition from nose to drive bands is uneven and the results are no surprise.
Strays spitting wide of the rest of the group due to minimal quality control.
Remington Thunderbolts 40 grain 22lr rated 1255 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
Similar problems as found on the Federal AutoMatch
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
Similar problems as found on the Federal AutoMatch
Prime SemiAuto manufactured by RWS, 40 grain 22lr rated 1148 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
Much more uniform in appearance than the Fed AM and Remmy TB
but still had a couple of strays show up. Probable cause is uneven seating.
Crimp to drive bands on a few cartridges showed a slight angle.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
Much more uniform in appearance than the Fed AM and Remmy TB
but still had a couple of strays show up. Probable cause is uneven seating.
Crimp to drive bands on a few cartridges showed a slight angle.
Eley Action 40 grain 22lr rated 1090 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
That dropper had a different sound than the rest.
Soon as I heard it I knew it was going to fall out.
Instead of a clean pop, it pooted. So annoying.
Same wind conditions for all 4 brands sent this morning,
yet the Eley Action held a much tighter grouping due to fewer visible defects.
That weak round is a problem inherent to most rimfire cartridges.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja, Sinclair
That dropper had a different sound than the rest.
Soon as I heard it I knew it was going to fall out.
Instead of a clean pop, it pooted. So annoying.
Same wind conditions for all 4 brands sent this morning,
yet the Eley Action held a much tighter grouping due to fewer visible defects.
That weak round is a problem inherent to most rimfire cartridges.
I completely forgot I’ve got some Automatch laying around somewhere. I’ll have to find out if it will chamber in my RimX.Federal AutoMatch 40 grain 22lr rated 1200 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja sporter barrel, Sinclair bipod, Mueller 8-32X44 target scope
Cartridges are visibly dinged up, crimps vary from loose to snug,
transition from nose to drive bands is uneven and the results are no surprise.
Strays spitting wide of the rest of the group due to minimal quality control.
These might just be the ticket “ New and Improved” lol
You ain't the only one that has some less than stellar ammo in the stash, DrG.
I was checking inventory and ran across multiple partial boxes of bulk 22lr.
Leftovers from when the kids still lived at home and enjoyed range days.
Being easily entertained, I included them in this mornings samples.
I was surprised by the number of single boxes of different brands I had forgotten about.
Ought to keep me occupied for several months, 50 at a time at 100 yards.
I was checking inventory and ran across multiple partial boxes of bulk 22lr.
Leftovers from when the kids still lived at home and enjoyed range days.
Being easily entertained, I included them in this mornings samples.
I was surprised by the number of single boxes of different brands I had forgotten about.
Ought to keep me occupied for several months, 50 at a time at 100 yards.
I wanted to play too.
Sk Match was quite disappointing for ES
H-1084
L-906
Avg-1040
ES-178
SD-29
68 degrees Farenheit
POA=center, POI= -1inch
The 906fps round dropped clear off the paper.
Ruger 10/22, Houge barrel.
Bolt face machined to minimum Headspace.
Kidd trigger
Boyds stock
Sightron 36x
I want a Vudoo.
Sk Match was quite disappointing for ES
H-1084
L-906
Avg-1040
ES-178
SD-29
68 degrees Farenheit
POA=center, POI= -1inch
The 906fps round dropped clear off the paper.
Ruger 10/22, Houge barrel.
Bolt face machined to minimum Headspace.
Kidd trigger
Boyds stock
Sightron 36x
I want a Vudoo.
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I wouldn't mind having a vudoo too, HN.
Only problem is, I'd have to spend more money on better ammo
in order to take advantage of the difference in rifle quality.
Even a vudoo can't fix an ES of 178 fps.
Only problem is, I'd have to spend more money on better ammo
in order to take advantage of the difference in rifle quality.
Even a vudoo can't fix an ES of 178 fps.
I wouldn't mind having a vudoo too, HN.
Only problem is, I'd have to spend more money on better ammo
in order to take advantage of the difference in rifle quality.
Even a vudoo can't fix an ES of 178 fps.
^True, but it would give me a reason to buy better ammo.
I bought that ruger in stock form, used 31 years ago. It has been in the original birch stock, a Choate folding stock, then a Houge overmold with a new barrel, now bedded in the Boyds. Had a trigger job, multiple scopes. I've machined the bolt face, radiused the rear of the bolt, polished it to a mirror finish along with the firing pin, guide rod and installed the kidd trigger, buffer pin, mag release, and God knows what else. It finally runs like a sewing machine but alas it is still a Ruger. I have spent enough on it to buy a Vudoo. I consider it the cost of education. I'm hesitant to sour a Lapua in it. This proves I can blame it on ammo
I've used it as a trainer, shot in our local indoor 4 position, outdoor 50m offhand, and bechrest leagues.Next trials will be some Norma, Wolf, FGMM, and maybe Auto match and CCI SV just to see the results.
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CCI SV 40 grain 22lr rated 1070 fps
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
2.5 inches of spread at 100 yards
From an old brick that did quite well for inexpensive ammo.
Have 2-1/2 bricks of it left, for small game use mostly
Same brick that produced this 50 shot group at 50 yards
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
2.5 inches of spread at 100 yards
From an old brick that did quite well for inexpensive ammo.
Have 2-1/2 bricks of it left, for small game use mostly
Same brick that produced this 50 shot group at 50 yards
Eley Practice 100, 40 grain 22lr rated 1062 fps
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
Eley Team 40 grain 22lr rated 1090 fps
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
Visible difference in cartridge quality shows up on target.
Fewer dents and dings, clean crimp line, better bullet symmetry.
Much better results.
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
Visible difference in cartridge quality shows up on target.
Fewer dents and dings, clean crimp line, better bullet symmetry.
Much better results.
I’ve had some Eley Team lots do rather well but most have just been so so out of mine just shows how lot dependent they all are.Eley Team 40 grain 22lr rated 1090 fps
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
Visible difference in cartridge quality shows up on target.
Fewer dents and dings, clean crimp line, better bullet symmetry.
Much better results.
Nice shooting
Eley Team 40 grain 22lr rated 1090 fps
CZ 455 Lilja, Sinclair bipod
Visible difference in cartridge quality shows up on target.
Fewer dents and dings, clean crimp line, better bullet symmetry.
Much better results.
That's quite a group....our LSG had boxes of that a couple of days ago @ $15 dollars a box along with TENEX @ $19. Probably gone by now, but if not I will definitely pick some up....
Norma 17 grain V-Max Polymer tip 17 hmr rated 2560 fps
Label reads Norma, manufactured by CCI.
Same cartridge as the CCI, Hornady and Federal 17hmr 17 gr ballistic tips
455 Fuglie/Lilja
Visible differences in seating depth and angle,
200 fps plus ES and there's no sub-moa "all-day-long".
Label reads Norma, manufactured by CCI.
Same cartridge as the CCI, Hornady and Federal 17hmr 17 gr ballistic tips
455 Fuglie/Lilja
Visible differences in seating depth and angle,
200 fps plus ES and there's no sub-moa "all-day-long".
CCI TNT Green 17hmr no-lead 16 grain jhp rated 2500 fps
CZ 455 Fuglie, Lilja barrel
Inspection before chambering showed variations in overall length and seating depth,
a few showed tilted seating when rolled on a flat surface, tip wobble apparent.
ES in excess of 200 fps, typical of of my results with CCI 17 hmr production.
Those variations in cartridge assembly and mv spread, show up as outliers.
Good enough for varminting, but not what you want for benchrest competition.
CZ 455 Fuglie, Lilja barrel
Inspection before chambering showed variations in overall length and seating depth,
a few showed tilted seating when rolled on a flat surface, tip wobble apparent.
ES in excess of 200 fps, typical of of my results with CCI 17 hmr production.
Those variations in cartridge assembly and mv spread, show up as outliers.
Good enough for varminting, but not what you want for benchrest competition.
Fiocchi-USA 40 grain TMJ rated 1900 fps
Made by CCI for Fiocchi-USA...same cartridge as the CCI TMJ
455 Feddersen Fuglie
Those droppers sounded different and a quick look at the chrony verified slower mv.
That's CCI hunting ammo. Good enough for center of critter out to about 75 yards.
Made by CCI for Fiocchi-USA...same cartridge as the CCI TMJ
455 Feddersen Fuglie
Those droppers sounded different and a quick look at the chrony verified slower mv.
That's CCI hunting ammo. Good enough for center of critter out to about 75 yards.
Fiocchi-USA 40 grain JSP made by CCI for Fiocchi.
Same cartridge and box as the CCI 40 grain jsp.
Only the label and headstamp are different.
455 Feddersen Fuglie
Results at 100 yards
Typical CCI quality and results
Same cartridge and box as the CCI 40 grain jsp.
Only the label and headstamp are different.
455 Feddersen Fuglie
Results at 100 yards
Typical CCI quality and results
Found a partial box of Armscor 40 grain jhp 22wmr, made in the Phillipines
Only 35 cartridges left in the box
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie and 100 yards
Irregular seating depths easily visible due to the cannelure.
Some cartridges the cannelure was above the crimp, some at the crimp,
some below the crimp and hidden by the brass.
Only 35 cartridges left in the box
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie and 100 yards
Irregular seating depths easily visible due to the cannelure.
Some cartridges the cannelure was above the crimp, some at the crimp,
some below the crimp and hidden by the brass.
By the way, a shooter posted results of a 50 at 100, accomplished with a Vudoo.
0.86 inch group for 50 shots...so it is possible to get it done.
www.rimfirecentral.com
Check the bottom group...
0.86 inch group for 50 shots...so it is possible to get it done.
50 at 100
It is a pro varmint stock in walnut. Unfortunately, the clear protective coat they put on it hides any beauty of the wood. I'll strip and refinish it someday. I have the original "orange" stock stored away safely. The 28.5" barrel really helps with using iron sights. Some other 100 yard 10...
www.rimfirecentral.com
Check the bottom group...
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Here is a full box of 50 at 100 yards
CZ 452 Ultra Lux (Super BRNO SAA 2500)
BRNO Peep Sights
SK Biathalon Sport
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Jeeze.
Nicely done...
CCI A22 35 grain jsp 22wmr rated 2100 fps
Wind from my 3 o'clock at 5 to 8 mph
CZ 455 Son of Fuglie, Sinclair bipod and bag
3.3 inches horizontal spread, 2.3 inches of vertical.
Look at how those group centers shift.
That's why I test by sending all 50 at a single aim point
Wind from my 3 o'clock at 5 to 8 mph
CZ 455 Son of Fuglie, Sinclair bipod and bag
3.3 inches horizontal spread, 2.3 inches of vertical.
Look at how those group centers shift.
That's why I test by sending all 50 at a single aim point
Norma 40 grain jhp 22wmr rated 1885 fps
made for Norma by CCI, same cartridge as the CCI labeled 40 gr jhp.
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie
Almost 200 fps ES
made for Norma by CCI, same cartridge as the CCI labeled 40 gr jhp.
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie
Almost 200 fps ES
CCI TNT Green 30 grain jhp 22wmr rated 2050 fps
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie
Hey...why are there only 27 holes y'er asking?
Well, there's a good reason for that...
That's what's left of the magazine and mag well.
Case rupture/head separation blew out the bottom of the receiver.
Put an end to my morning of shooting while I picked up the pieces.
Bits of mag well and magazine all over the deck and bench.
Yes, the cartridge was fully seated.
Yes, the bolt was completely closed.
No, there was nothing on the bolt face to change the head space.
The head simply blew off either due to a weakness in the brass
or, as the chronograph history showed, an overcharged cartridge.
These cartridges are rated 2050 fps.
The chrony showed a high of 2406 fps, 350 fps higher than the rated mv.
That 1907 fps low, was the last shot fired, the case rupture.
Even with the loss of seal, it still exited the muzzle at almost the rated mv.
Daaaayyyyuuuuummmm!
That is the remains of the brass in the chamber
Pushed out the brass with a cleaning rod fed in from the muzzle
Trigger no longer functions, something is inside the bolt jamming the firing pin.
The head separated right at the rim flare
No bulge on the chambered brass, only the rim failed.
So much fun...CCI wants the remainder of the cartridges for analysis
and both parts of the ruptured case.
CZ 455 Feddersen Fuglie
Hey...why are there only 27 holes y'er asking?
Well, there's a good reason for that...
That's what's left of the magazine and mag well.
Case rupture/head separation blew out the bottom of the receiver.
Put an end to my morning of shooting while I picked up the pieces.
Bits of mag well and magazine all over the deck and bench.
Yes, the cartridge was fully seated.
Yes, the bolt was completely closed.
No, there was nothing on the bolt face to change the head space.
The head simply blew off either due to a weakness in the brass
or, as the chronograph history showed, an overcharged cartridge.
These cartridges are rated 2050 fps.
The chrony showed a high of 2406 fps, 350 fps higher than the rated mv.
That 1907 fps low, was the last shot fired, the case rupture.
Even with the loss of seal, it still exited the muzzle at almost the rated mv.
Daaaayyyyuuuuummmm!
That is the remains of the brass in the chamber
Pushed out the brass with a cleaning rod fed in from the muzzle
Trigger no longer functions, something is inside the bolt jamming the firing pin.
The head separated right at the rim flare
No bulge on the chambered brass, only the rim failed.
So much fun...CCI wants the remainder of the cartridges for analysis
and both parts of the ruptured case.
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