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If you are asking me, it all depends on what stock you are using, and if it has pillars, and has been bedded. I think you better let Mike B. answer that.Is there a recommended action screw torque setting for the V22s?
Thanks,
RFS99
Is there a recommended action screw torque setting for the V22s?
Thanks,
RFS99
The Shilen is a fine barrel and worth waiting for but if it were me (and it isn't ) I would ask Vudoo if they could get me a Benchmark barrel made to my specs and ask how long the wait is.Well was charged the balance of my order last week that I was to pay when rifle was done then was contacted today that it isnt done and if I still want the shilen barrel It will be a long wait. What a kick in the nuts. Very bummed out
If you have pillars, anywhere from 55-65 inch lbs will work great.Thanks but I need the torque specs for the V22s, not the V22.
Mic both wrenches, I see quite a bit of variation in some. Just out of curiosity...I'd tried to loosen the two little 4-40 set screws that hold the rear of the V-22S's striker so I could unscrew the striker to change to a lighter spring out of the kit the action ships with, using a ball-end Wera 0.05 L-shaped hex wrench, but all it was doing was slipping without turning the screws. Figured I'd rounded off the hex head of both screws, and would have to use an EZ-Out to get them loose, so ordered some spare set screws, a Wera 0.05 hex driver, and etc from MSC a few days ago. A partial order with the Wera driver came today, so I pulled the bolt out of the rifle, pulled the striker assembly out of the bolt, and tried the new Wera hex driver in one of the set screws - it went a lot deeper into the screw than the L-wrench had, and it didn't take a lot of effort to loosen that screw up. Tried it in the 2nd screw, and it also loosened without any slippage of the wrench. No idea why the L-shaped wrench wouldn't slide down into the set screw far enough to work, especially since they're from the same maker, but I'm sure glad I didn't bugger-up the set screws with an EZ-Out. Swapped out the 16lb spring for the lightest one in the kit - 13lb - so when this 25-30mph with higher gusts wind dies down in a few days, I'll get the rifle out and do some testing to see if that's heavy enough to give consistent ignition.
Do you see any accuracy difference in the rifles you are referring to? I ask because in theory a properly bedded action the torque on the screws should not matter (within reason). I have tested a lot also and have yet to see a difference anywhere from 30 lb-in up to 70 lb-in when the bedding is stress free.Man, I’ll tell you, while I know what gets recommended but, most guns I ‘ve owned and know of generally don’t get tightened past about 30 inlbs In a properly bedded, pillared rifle.
To really be able to answers your question I need to know what kind of stock are you using, and is it fully pillared and epoxy bedded ?????Thanks but I need the torque specs for the V22s, not the V22.
Do you see any accuracy difference in the rifles you are referring to? I ask because in theory a properly bedded action the torque on the screws should not matter (within reason). I have tested a lot also and have yet to see a difference anywhere from 30 lb-in up to 70 lb-in when the bedding is stress free.
Agreed, I was just curious if there was a reason why you landed on 30lb-in in specific.Well, you’re probably correct, so now the question becomes why tighten well past what is likely required for stress free securing the action into the stock?
Lots of guys have done lots of testing on this.
Hell, these days, a lot of guys do not even torque them any longer, be it sporter, LV, HV, UNL. If you are not heavy handed with good bedding & hardware, if you cinch them down properly, when they get there they just stop.
I mean I’m anal and have an in lb wrench so I still do everything @30 in lb.
most do not realize how tight that really is.
If you see a change between good and snug and 30-35 in lbs, you likely have bedding issues. All these guys talking about needing to vary front to back are addressing the wrong problem. With a factory gun, sure, but if it is bedded/ pillered, something moved with a wood stock or you got a shit job.
Agreed, I was just curious if there was a reason why you landed on 30lb-in in specific.
When did you order it if you don't mind my asking....Mine is on its way. Been on order a very long time.
WOW! That's one heck of a wait! I know it'll be worth it. Ordered mine October 2nd. Looks like I have a ways to go.....Middle of July.
There’s a lot of discussion about action bolt torque and I’m not certain why, other than, it appears a lot of guys overthink it. It’s primarily dependent on the stock material, bedding/pillars.Mike, can you share what Vudoo recommends for action screw torque on the V22s?
Thanks,
RFS99
I've been shooting my V-22s with the action screws torque at 50 inch pounds. I've not found any reason to change as it's the best shooting rimfire I've ever owned!There’s a lot of discussion about action bolt torque and I’m not certain why, other than, it appears a lot of guys overthink it. It’s primarily dependent on the stock material, bedding/pillars.
Generally, I use 65 inch pounds across the board with our NRL22/PRS type builds and have never seen playing with torque values have an impact on what’s seen at the target. For the V-22S, I have no reason to change this but can sign up to a torque range of 45 to 65 inch pounds.
MB
I agree, and I use 20 in/lbs on all my rimfire and see no reason to change either. Point is, use whatever setting you have confidence in.I've been shooting my V-22s with the action screws torque at 50 inch pounds. I've not found any reason to change as it's the best shooting rimfire I've ever owned!
It would be more helpful if you explained the problem you are seeing.now all you need to do is learn how to measure groups.
Tim, if you're going to be bitchy, then maybe take some time off from the Forum. If you're going to be helpful, by all means post your suggestions.now all you need to do is learn how to measure groups.
Usually, it is absolutely pointless to weigh in on internet group postings but for Gods sake, make SOME reasonable attempt to be accurate every once in a while.It would be more helpful if you explained the problem you are seeing.
Tim, this is my thread and most of the people that post here are Vudoo customers....knock it the frig off, especially as it relates to my customers. I wouldn't say this any differently if it was someone acting like your post above directed toward you.Usually, it is absolutely pointless to weigh in on internet group postings but for Gods sake, make SOME reasonable attempt to be accurate every once in a while.
Follow along...we’ll use only #4 as an example.
Now a .22 bullet hole has a generally accepted diameter of, say, .220” properly using the outside of the smear. you wish to add/subtract a few thou....fine. If you have a group with two holes EXACTLY side by side, it would measure .220”
If you have a group with two holes, with paper in between them.....it is mathematically impossible to measure less than one bullet diameter.
Not my issue, a basic math issue. 1/2 those groups are off by a measure of 50%or so , but hey, what do I know. This is not very complicated folks.p
this is, after all, somewhat about precision riflery. Does that mean about all matters except accurate evaluation at some level ?
Excellent shooting brother. Should only get better from here .... Keep posting. I look forward to everyone's updates. I have the exact setup down to the scope. We are in a deep freeze here in Pa but will shoot soon. What rings did u go with with the T36?
Ozark Shooter, I think it's safe to say that Vudoo is producing top of the line rifles for both positional and benchrest work. It might be slightly premature to show data about how well the V22s shoots in formal matches, but that will come this year as the rollout continues and weather warms to restart the formal match "season". Your summary is spot-on and I look forward to seeing how well the new addition to the Vudoo family performs!Is the V-22S More Accurate Than the V-22?
Post #1234 to this thread posed a question about comparative accuracy between the V-22S and V-22. The next post responded that there was little difference between the two but the V-22S “seems a bit more consistently accurate”. Then that topic went dark.
Certainly, Mike Bush is the best qualified to respond to this question and maybe he’ll weigh in when he sees this topic still has life. In the mean time I’ve thought about how to answer this question and have some thoughts to share.
I own both a repeater and a single shot Vudoo - both complete factory builds. I’ve shot the repeater for over two years and the single shot for less than two months. I’ve put only about 250 rounds through the V-22S.
Comparing the two rifles (or actions) is like comparing apples and oranges. Rifles built on these actions are “purpose” built and each of the build components was selected for a specific type of shooting. My V-22S is built with barrel, tuner, trigger, stock and scope specific to shooting 50 yard targets from the bench. The V-22 uses components better suited to positional shooting at various distances.
In order to make a true comparison between the two you’d have to set up an “all things being equal” experiment and that’s not practical for most shooters.
I believe that VGW and especially Mike Bush’s design expectations for the V-22S were to achieve significantly greater accuracy for F-Class and Benchrest shooters and it’s my limited experience that he’s achieved that goal. My first three five-round groups measured C-T-C 0.14”, 0.17” and 0.18” with off-the-shelf Midas Plus ammo. I don’t think I’ve ever measured five-round groups with my repeater that were less that 0.20”.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that my three lug/mid lock-up V-22S chambered with a 24” Shilen Ratchet barrel and a 1 ounce Vudoo Flavio Fare trigger is far more accurate than my V-22 with an 18” Ace barrel and a half-pound Timney Calvin Elite trigger. It also helps that I shoot my V-22S from a one-piece rest whereas the V-22 is typically shot from either a two piece rest or a bipod and rear bag.
I think that a benchrest rifle built on a V-22S action that’s tuned to “match” rifle specifications and shot by an experienced shooter is capable of podium finishes in national competitions. We’re just starting to see performance data from V-22S builds and it’ll be later in the year before a Vudoo appears in heads-up competition.
Vudoo has done their job by delivering a product. Time will tell how well shooters can configure this action to win matches!!!