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Yeah, it is the same ol' bullshit you see before Dragnet, Cops, and Live PD. BTW you're innocent until proven guilty after arrest. Sure are a lot of people pleading to lessor charges.
I got pulled over.
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Yeah, it is the same ol' bullshit you see before Dragnet, Cops, and Live PD. BTW you're innocent until proven guilty after arrest. Sure are a lot of people pleading to lessor charges.
Yeah the presence of money would never be PC in a sane or constitutional or presumption of innocence world.
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I am gonna comment once again, just because i want to see this thing hit 400 posts.
So, come on you rule of law hatin' MF'ers and jack-booted, freedom crushing fuckers!!! Let's keep this going!
So, come on you rule of law hatin' MF'ers and jack-booted, freedom crushing fuckers!!! Let's keep this going!
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What is the reason they charge the money and not the person? That doesn't make any sense. I'm having a hard time following your logic. Big gov't created the Constitution.
The courts had to find some way to allow taking & keeping assets / property without having to go through all that hard work of actually charging the person owning / possessing it & then all that checks and balances stuff and is the amount they are taking fair punishment and can they prove it was part of a crime / drugs etc. That all takes money and cuts into government profits.
So the courts said... well by this great imagined twisted leap of logic... Property can be an entity that we claim committed a crime and property has no rights so.... Done...
This was pushed through however by "God Fearing" "Righteous" "Conservative" "Republicans" in their rush to find new ways to promote the "War on Drugs" because they couldn't just be happy with letting people destroy their own lives. They had to make it, don't do something that will destroy your life or we will make sure to destroy your life for you.
Not the fault of the police, the government and courts did it & profit for it & the Police simply do as they are told and share in the revenue.
Just like they got the same "God Fearing" "Righteous" "Conservative" "Republicans" to push thorough the Patriot act & the surveillance state to "Fight Terrorism" then once the government changed, it was used mostly to track and crack down on those not in favour of the regime.
While that is a sentiment that is often repeated, in my opinion it is a bit pointless.
You MUST work hard to stop what you don't want from happening at the Political / Government / Financial / Legal level.
Let's say that someone did follow your advice and decided some change in the law was finally too much to enforce and walked away (assuming they either were at a point they could retire, or felt strongly enough about it to give up their career, pension, security, family breadwinning, to do so), If you have not changed the Political / Government / Financial / Legal framework, well they will just take more of your tax money and find somebody with low enough moral standards to do what they want for money / position / power.
Quite possibly you'll be even worse off as possibly the old ones might have let a few things slide if not pressed, but the new replacements will be anxious to "show results" at all costs.
History, both of this world and this country, both distant, recent & this very day all prove that the government doesn't have a problem getting someone to do the dirty work as long as it's a slippery slope & covered by "Legal and lawful".
When half the army or half the police or half the populace etc, say NO way, that is usually when civil war starts and then it's all up in the air and usually the most ruthless and well funded win.
What’s the alternative ? I know your not outright saying it but your saying fuck the police.
In light of all the recent cold blooded killings of police officers it would seem to me as responsible citizens of these great states, that we could place the blame where it should be.
Policy makers not the enforcers.
Let’s get to 10 pages!!
What’s the big deal with ruby ridge/Waco that somehow signaled the NWO!?
Dude shouldn’t have cut that shotgun , and Koresh was a fucking idiot!
The strategy was solid, arrest criminals . The tactics where pure shit and that’s why it ended in a media spectacle. If they nabbed both them fuckers while they were out and about, hit with a violence of action and overwhelming force .
We could read there stupid ass books they wrote from prison.
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What’s the big deal with ruby ridge/Waco that somehow signaled the NWO!?
Dude shouldn’t have cut that shotgun , and Koresh was a fucking idiot!
The strategy was solid, arrest criminals . The tactics where pure shit and that’s why it ended in a media spectacle. If they nabbed both them fuckers while they were out and about, hit with a violence of action and overwhelming force .
We could read there stupid ass books they wrote from prison.
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The barrel was legal length
Perhaps the founding fathers should have shot the king instead of the men sent to collect the arms. After all they were only doing their jobs.
Perhaps the founding fathers should have shot the king instead of the men sent to collect the arms. After all they were only doing their jobs.
Ever wonder why? What was the decision making that they didn't pick these guys off the street?
They knew there was going to be a shit show and yet they did it anyway. Because those giving orders are sitting in a safe place ans someone elses ass is on the line?
They knew there was going to be a shit show and yet they did it anyway. Because those giving orders are sitting in a safe place ans someone elses ass is on the line?
The tactics where pure shit and that’s why it ended in a media spectacle. If they nabbed both them fuckers while they were out and about, hit with a violence of action and overwhelming force .
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Pretty much.. "I don't care what you have to do, get them motherfuckers out of there."
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/14/us/police-drop-bomb-on-radicals-home-in-philadelphia.html
I sincerely hope this is hyperbole on your part... There has never been a gov't that didn't want more power for itself to "fix" all the problems. Case in point - Venezuela.
The framers of the Constitution established it to keep the Gov't in check (they are definitely rolling over in their graves today). Or as our favorite Black President so wisely stated "The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties for the government" - or however he said it. Basically he was pissed because it was limiting his ability to oppress his enemies, oops, I mean bless his constituents.
FBI HRT wanted to make a name for themselves? Wasn’t it like the same dude in charge on both events? Either way it was a epic fail and rather than looking like a souped up police delta force recon rangers, they more or less looked like loose cannons.
I’m not so so much familiar with RR other than tv shit.. how long was the barrel? I do remember that it was basically a set up from a informant who offered a ridiculous amount for ol boy to cut it.
Any enforcer that enforces an unjust law, is complicit with those who wrote the law in the first place. Do not hate all the enforcers as they be us, hate an rebuke those who enforce unjust laws. That said, a law that is unjust to me, may not be to you, so where is the unjust law line? My line is the COTUS, yours may be different.
a guy at work got a ticket coming to work last week for driving with his wipers on and his lights off,,it was raining just hard enough that you would set your wipers to come on about every 10 seconds,,,he said he was gonna actually go to court over it,,,,I had heard of people gettin stopped for that but never anybody actually getting a ticket for it..
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I have refrained from posting in the Greg shit show hoping this thread would surpass it.
The op ed is killing us! Y’all suck, specially you thread hoping yankess .
It was a set up, they wanted his cow money. What kinda vehicle he drive a grandpa truck? Most new vehicles auto turn the lights on to keep from getting tickets, or hit by people that don’t see you. Whichever comes first.
I had a buddy get a ticket for flashing his lights to warn others that a copper was ahead. Trooper got him...
.It was a set up, they wanted his cow money. What kinda vehicle he drive a grandpa truck? Most new vehicles auto turn the lights on to keep from getting tickets, or hit by people that don’t see you. Whichever comes first.
I had a buddy get a ticket for flashing his lights to warn others that a copper was ahead. Trooper got him...
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Cop was fishing, maybe find some blow or some illegal guns or a drunk at the wheel.
Prolly wrote the ticket cuz he missed out on the Krispy kreme reward for most arrests that week because your coworker was on the level.
Fortunately these days we have this neat thing called Waze, and can silently notify everyone about those vile speed traps and receive warnings well in advance of any new ones that pop up suddenly.
I consider it my civic duty to be on the lookout for speed traps and warn my fellow drivers as much as possible.
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You honor, I have a statement from a certified mechanic that says the high beam relay was defective an that is why my lights were flashing. I also have the defective part but forgot to bring it with me today, however if I could get a continuance I'll be happy to provide it for the state to do their own inspection, if you wish?
And posting again to be productive.
When I worked at the local level, I stopped someone for this. I had only the intention of giving a warning and advice (which is all I did).
The driver was somewhat polite, somewhat not. I never let any of that bother me (as long as they aren't making actual threats, which is a different story).
He questioned me as to why I would stop someone for something so stupid as to flashing lights. He didn't want to admit he was doing it to warn people about a cop sitting ahead, but we both knew what was going on.
So I (politely) asked him "Sir, do you support rapists, pedophiles, wanted felons, etc?" Of course he said he didn't.
I went on to explain that a lot of us make stops to create legal encounters as many, many arrests for these kinds of offenders are made from simple traffic stops. I am able to make a legal stop for the violation, ID the person, and if there are warrants, or there is just something else that needs investigating, I have the legal opportunity to do so.
By flashing his lights and warning oncoming traffic, he could very well keep someone that is very dangerous from being stopped. This could easily lead to harm or death of someone else in the future.
So, it goes back to that if I have to legally inconvenience some people to save others, and I'm not out there just writing citations for quota/revenue's sake, then I will do that within reason(and the law). Also, if you don't want to be legally inconvenienced.......obey all traffic laws or any law in general.
Now, some of you would say that's bullshit.......and to some people it is. But I think you'd be very surprised as to how many serious offenders are taken into custody because of a simple traffic stop.
I used to do this before I was in LE.......I would flash people to let them know there was someone ahead running radar. I thought I was being a buddy and helping people out. Once I got into LE, I realized this wasn't a good idea.
Next time anyone thinks about flashing their lights to warn someone........take a minute to ask yourself "who am I really helping here?" If you still decide to flash them.....totally fine (except being a violation of a few traffic laws). Just give it a little outside the box thought though.
^ lol had to flash the lights a lot today, the IRS agents were out all over today with the weather being nice.
While I totally respect your viewpoint, it is unfortunately something that we will never agree on and you will do as the laws allow and department policies dictate, and I will always work to change the laws to be as I think they should. Unfortunately for me, due to the money involved, I'll probably never make any headway getting the laws changed.
You'll probably find that the overwhelming consensus of the general population not in the LE occupation, as well as the empirical evidence of how things are applied in real life support the general public consensus of speed traps being primarily to enhance revenue for the local city / county, and people that warn others of such traps being regarded as your average every day hero in a small way. Someone hiding in some blind spot on a highway creating a danger to themselves and traffic to run a speed measuring device is generally never looking for bad folks and is usually primarily focused on finding someone going at a speed just enough to make it a worthwhile ticket. While yes sometimes bad people get caught while speed traps are being run, that is mostly just statistical chance & luck.
I would totally agree with your opinion if the standard was only stopping people actually driving too fast for the road conditions or creating a danger in traffic & after checking all was good, to simply inform the driver they need to slow it down to a speed based on safe driving for the current road conditions, to avoid getting pulled over in the future and such & then go on their way without it usually ending in money taking or other harassment for them. (The money taking part, again I would not mind as much if they were just honest about it and simply said, we got you, give us the money, here is your credit card bill, and all is good instead of the whole pointless charade of trying to make your life extra uncomfortable & act like they are so high and mighty in court and such and want to keep records of it etc. Sell the information to your insurance company for more money, so they can try to charge you extra for no good reason etc.) Especially when the actual speed limits are based entirely on politics and political whims and very little on how fast you can actually drive.
It's a matter of different viewpoints based on one person having it affect their life pretty much not at all, the other party pretty much always being relieved of their hard earned money at the best case & further harassed and troubled at the worst case.
You'll probably find that the overwhelming consensus of the general population not in the LE occupation, as well as the empirical evidence of how things are applied in real life support the general public consensus of speed traps being primarily to enhance revenue for the local city / county, and people that warn others of such traps being regarded as your average every day hero in a small way. Someone hiding in some blind spot on a highway creating a danger to themselves and traffic to run a speed measuring device is generally never looking for bad folks and is usually primarily focused on finding someone going at a speed just enough to make it a worthwhile ticket. While yes sometimes bad people get caught while speed traps are being run, that is mostly just statistical chance & luck.
I would totally agree with your opinion if the standard was only stopping people actually driving too fast for the road conditions or creating a danger in traffic & after checking all was good, to simply inform the driver they need to slow it down to a speed based on safe driving for the current road conditions, to avoid getting pulled over in the future and such & then go on their way without it usually ending in money taking or other harassment for them. (The money taking part, again I would not mind as much if they were just honest about it and simply said, we got you, give us the money, here is your credit card bill, and all is good instead of the whole pointless charade of trying to make your life extra uncomfortable & act like they are so high and mighty in court and such and want to keep records of it etc. Sell the information to your insurance company for more money, so they can try to charge you extra for no good reason etc.) Especially when the actual speed limits are based entirely on politics and political whims and very little on how fast you can actually drive.
It's a matter of different viewpoints based on one person having it affect their life pretty much not at all, the other party pretty much always being relieved of their hard earned money at the best case & further harassed and troubled at the worst case.
“No sir officer I always flash my lights so people slow down and drive safer”
That fancy gps doomahickey is community based so I doubt I’ll have much support in that respect(current population 200)
“Bubba said there’s more deer out past the Millers place, and slow down Miss Smith hit a hog..again”
That fancy gps doomahickey is community based so I doubt I’ll have much support in that respect(current population 200)
“Bubba said there’s more deer out past the Millers place, and slow down Miss Smith hit a hog..again”
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Very well put.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't a collection of small governments create a republic based on among other things the Constition. Which, was only the beginning because as the republic grew in size it continued to amend it? I'm just trying to do my part in this thread. BTW, I hear this sort of bullshit everyday. Everybody is an expert on the Constitution. Actually, you all are actually pretty tame. Similar to everybody is down on the Catholic Church until they get a demon living in their house.
Do you have any good stories about casting out demons?
Could make for a great new direction for this thread.
... You mention one thing about Satan and next thing you know the story goes around that you are in personal communication with the dark one, everyone is looking at you like you have Smallpox, moving out of the way as you walk near and before you know it, you are being dragged to the old stone house covered in vines where appropriate parties engage in endless hours of exorcism rituals, till they decide the best way to be sure is to go with the old standby that demons hate pain so if they give you enough pain, hopefully by the time you pass out, the demons will have decided to leave.....
Did you have some good stories about ritual exorcism too?
I do have to say, I’ve never worked anywhere where we had quotas or used traffic for revenue. So I am likely biased in this regard. The agencies/departments I’ve worked/work for are far too busy with shit that matters to go that route.
It was a show of force. The government wanted that “exhibition of power” to be a deterrent against any other like minded groups or people. The message was “We are bigger, have bigger guns and have no problems killing children.”
It’s kinda like wounded knee II. Which makes me think, what’s new about it?
Militarized police?
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would you like to have someone you dont know in the back of your car in these circumstances without knowing if they are armed. You are a bit of a drama queen.
You should live where they have way too many police and not enough crime. They find plenty of bs to badger tax payers about. Unless of course your car gets stolen or house gets robbed. Then it's "we don't have the resources". Can't even go talk to the person that stole your vehicle. Parasites.
I pick up hitch hikers all the time. I have never frisked/patted down any of them. I guess that the PO PO are chickens. That's why they carry all those weapons. Think about it. They have a stun gun, pepper spray, a night stick, a hand gun and a shot gun. Some have an AR in the trunk. Sheesh, all that for a failure to use a turn signal?
Now that the fun part is out of the way. (I wonder how much that will get distorted).
The issue was he should have never been in the back of a cruiser. He only failed to signal. Oh yeah, I forgot. The real crime was not using a seat belt. Careful people will lose their mind if you choose not to buckle up.
Now that the fun part is out of the way. (I wonder how much that will get distorted).
The issue was he should have never been in the back of a cruiser. He only failed to signal. Oh yeah, I forgot. The real crime was not using a seat belt. Careful people will lose their mind if you choose not to buckle up.
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I know someday it may go bad. But I figure if that is my fate, so be it. I would rather help the people that need it than worry about the what if's.
