If they’re not pros, they’re just sluts…But they aren't professional shooters in that is their career. Lots of guys who use it as you mentioned to make some extra money though. Has been for years.
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If they’re not pros, they’re just sluts…But they aren't professional shooters in that is their career. Lots of guys who use it as you mentioned to make some extra money though. Has been for years.
If they’re not pros, they’re just sluts…
Sounds like Rimfire is the cost effective solution for limited long range access.When I was doing that I only had a 400 yard max range with steel at only 400 yards and for a couple years only 100 yards with no steel as they shut my rifle range down because they said rounds went over the trees and hit a house.
Those couple years of 100 yards only were a couple of my better years too. I would use paper small targets and act like they were at farther ranges as the smaller targets would look like they would at longer ranges. You still can practice all the stuff at the firing line like moving on a prop and setting up and getting in positions etc. Shooting at long range is not needed to get good practice.
For hold overs and unders you just dial up or down on the scope and hold the opposite. Just gets you used to holding somewhere on the reticle other than the center. Granted only doing this at 100 isn't the best as having a couple hundred yards and holding between yardages but you can also make up targets to hang at 100 that will simulate that as well.
If you can move through the props and get stable and take the shot then the only thing you need to worry about when taking the longer shots is wind.
Sounds like Rimfire is the cost effective solution for limited long range access.
Long range access and ammo cost make the bulk of my practice Rimfire. I bring out the 300PRC to make sure I remember how noisy it is. Recoil matters, but the first 45 years of my life an unbraked 30-06 was what every one I know used.It could be but depends if you want to learn the recoil as well of the centerfire. My main practice rifle has always been a .308 just for that reason. Like swinging a heavy bat.
Long range access and ammo cost make the bulk of my practice Rimfire. I bring out the 300PRC to make sure I remember how noisy it is. Recoil matters, but the first 45 years of my life an unbraked 30-06 was what every one I know used.
Offsetting the butt higher and closer to the bore axis seems to help too.Yeah when I started the sport no one had brakes on their rifles in matches. Mostly .308s but some others. Rimfire is good to practice with but the rifle needs to be close to your centerfire to get the same feel in setting up positions.
All USPSA level 2 and 3 matches provide free lodging and some meals. USPSA nationals also provide a travel stipend.IDK. I’ve ROd a couple of national PRS matches, but only because they were put on by the guys running the local monthly match. Shooting on Thursday or Friday would mean taking days off of work.
Probably none right now since they don't get to compete, evidently.How many guys are actually traveling flights/hotels/etc just to volunteer RO a PRS event?
There is no prize money or prize tables in USPSA.I’m not sure if they have separate awards & prize tables for ROs or not.
LOLOLOLPeople don't shoot competitively to make money, they do it to become "famous", then make money with endorsement deals, an industry job, or in the teaching/training field
There is no prize money or prize tables in USPSA.
Haven't seen one in Area 5 in the 5 years I've been in the sport including the A5 match. If they have prize tables it ain't round here.Depends on the match and MD. Quite a few of the USPSA Lvl 2 on up matches I goto have a prize table of some sort. Some you walk in order of finish, others do it via random draw. I have shot at some USPSA matches that give away cash for stage winner or top 3. Like I said, depends on the match and MD
What did you do when you practiced 3 days a week?
Shoot something resembling a real match?
there’s quite a bit of USPSA that exists outside of Area 5 (like 7 other areas). So when you say there’s no prize money or prize tables in USPSA that’s not accurate. Locally? Sure, whatever. Other matches? Not the case.Haven't seen one in Area 5 in the 5 years I've been in the sport including the A5 match. If they have prize tables it ain't round here.
Do you shoot PRS now?Introduce a limited division in PRS. Limit caliber selection, and cost, but allow people to swap chassis. Not every manufacturer sells a production class gun so you're limited to maybe 4-5 options. If someone has a Tikka for example and throws it in a chassis they're definitely under the price tag, but now compete in Open. There needs to be something intermediate between Production and Open. Maybe even modifying what Production is as well. I'm sure this isn't a popular opinion seeing as how most view Production class as pointless anyway.
Skill is skill, I just see holes in the divisions. Like when Gas gun had 2 different classes. Now people are shooting 6GT from Seekins SP10s. I guess one could always go to gas gun specific matches but at least for me, I love shooting PRS more than other gas gun matches. I actually started shooting 5.56 gas gun, then 6Arc and now I'm shooting my second bolt gun match at the Grind. I think Production or Limited actually showcases skill more than hiding behind gear. Which I've seen a lot of people do.PRS and the industry have evolved to a point that cost doesn’t limit performance nearly as much as it once did. The top 10-30 will still win with a Tikka or Bergara in a chassis. Alwine is winning with a savage in a $500 MDT. Production was always a joke in my mind and is even more so now.
While I love the premium gear a guy who practices with a modern rifle system with a functional scope can compete. It’s not the gear these days in my opinion. So many good options.
If you want to create divisions. You leave open for everyone that wants to shoot BR cartridges in 20+ lb rifles. Nothing wrong with that, embrace that is what this sport evolved to. Then create a big gun division with a power factor and weight limit. Then add incentive to shoot that division. Those guys walk first or get more raffle tickets etc.
NRLH has a pretty good model in my opinion.
Funny, Im reading another thread about this and the point is this. How does a new shooter even know what they need? Where to go? What caliber? What bag? You say just show up and shoot, but what fun is it when the course of fire is so hard because its tailored to open and pros? My first couple matches I was so discouraged, maybe hit 30/100. But guys in my squad with 25lb MPAs were cleaning every stage. Is it me? Is it my rifle? My gear? I think squadding also plays a lot into it too. I personally try to squad with gas gun and production or tac class guys. We all tend to shoot around the same and have fun helping each other out.I see your points but new guys just need to come shoot, learn, be safe and have fun. Most of them are going to suck or at best be MP, regardless of gear. Barrier to entry is literally ego and some cash.
if you wanna play a gamer sport go see what your local gamers useRegional and Rimfire PRS matches. Why?
We recently restarted monthly matches at my local range here in central Nebraska. From 2018-2020 we hosted probably 20-25 matches. I got burnt out in 2020 with it, mainly because of the junk you still see at the majority of matches. Long story short, I recently stepped back into it because there was no monthly matches in Nebraska, and we had a 1200yd range that was basically rotting away those 4 years, with dudes who were asking me to make it happen again. I've really tried to put effort into figuring out ways and format to appeal to a wider crowd, as we've got a blend of pretty good PRS/NRLH shooters, pure hunters, and new guys in the area.Open is Open, do what you want. But having more variation in divisions I think would draw more people to the sport. Also more matches in more states as well but thats another topic.
First let me say that the best thing you did was show up and shoot. I tell people the same thing, because I’ve had and still get guys that want to come and just watch maybe a and ask questions, but somehow never actually get around to finding out how to do it really.Funny, Im reading another thread about this and the point is this. How does a new shooter even know what they need? Where to go? What caliber? What bag? You say just show up and shoot, but what fun is it when the course of fire is so hard because its tailored to open and pros? My first couple matches I was so discouraged, maybe hit 30/100. But guys in my squad with 25lb MPAs were cleaning every stage. Is it me? Is it my rifle? My gear? I think squadding also plays a lot into it too. I personally try to squad with gas gun and production or tac class guys. We all tend to shoot around the same and have fun helping each other out.
This is almost exactly what I tell every new person that's inquiring about shooting matches with us. The first thing you need to do is to get out of your head. If you can safely handle a rifle just show up, and don't be an asshole. If you're new I will do everything I can to make the first impression of the game a good one but you will be drinking from a fire hose the first few matches and what gear you have or don't have isn't going to change that.First let me say that the best thing you did was show up and shoot. I tell people the same thing, because I’ve had and still get guys that want to come and just watch maybe a and ask questions, but somehow never actually get around to finding out how to do it really.
Personally if you showed up and shot 30/100, you did as I would expect from somebody doing that very thing. Like I did uhm, about 14 years ago.
That was the point of saying that ego and its balance with knowledge is what holds most back. Take the first couple/few Local matches as learning how it really works, learning what gear seems to work, why people are shooting the caliber and rifle configuration they are, see the flow of the course of fire and learn ways to address diffferent situations and barricade/obstacle types.
Then spend some good money on some PRS courses that are specifically designed to show you how to accomplish them.
Sound like too much? Your choice, but consider the challenge of increasing your on the spot accuracy and muscle memory.
Because regional is where you cut your teeth and rimfire is where you can practice your skills for anywhere from $0.15-$0.30 per round.Regional and Rimfire PRS matches. Why?
I’ll say that you are not wrong. But I’m a nobody and do not court the sponsors, so no prize tables. It’s a local match. We used to do nothing other than read out your placing, but now we give plaques or recognition for top placement, egos being what they are these days.This is almost exactly what I tell every new person that's inquiring about shooting matches with us. The first thing you need to do is to get out of your head. If you can safely handle a rifle just show up, and don't be an asshole. If you're new I will do everything I can to make the first impression of the game a good one but you will be drinking from a fire hose the first few matches and what gear you have or don't have isn't going to change that.
Kind of in that thought. I feel MD's at the club level, at least locally, seem to have really lost sight of the POV of the new shooter and have tried to turn club matches into "mini" national matches. Dudes want to talk about growing the sport & etc, but fail to create the setting in matches where new shooters & experienced shooters are both getting something from the match, but damn those prize tables were killer..........
At the matches and facebook pages where the MD’s ask what kind of match the shooters want for the next match, it seems all the folks chime in that they want a harder match and the match directors are making it so. It does affect business. I took one look at the mandated course of fire at a NRL match, and packed my stuff. That match changed from NRL mandated course of fire to PRS, shot a match and enjoyed the heck out of it.Kind of in that thought. I feel MD's at the club level, at least locally, seem to have really lost sight of the POV of the new shooter and have tried to turn club matches into "mini" national matches. Dudes want to talk about growing the sport & etc, but fail to create the setting in matches where new shooters & experienced shooters are both getting something from the match, but damn those prize tables were killer..........
I’ll say that you are not wrong. But I’m a nobody and do not court the sponsors, so no prize tables. It’s a local match. We used to do nothing other than read out your placing, but now we give plaques or recognition for top placement, egos being what they are these days.
You want free shit? Pay for and go to the big matches and place where you do. You’ll get some shit.
Want to really learn? Choose wisely.
And that somebody is me! It dawned on me a while back to get my ego shut down. Decades ago, when I was young, our Regional Supervisor was a man named Terry McPhearson. Mr. Mac was a runner. However, in his late 60’s to early 70’s he always finished last. And he was proud of the fact that he could complete the course, and forget where he finished.Hey, somebody has to place toward the bottom of the pack, even at the local events.
Whats your point?if you wanna play a gamer sport go see what your local gamers use
or look at the PRS 'Production' guns for sale
or look at the not-so-actually-truthful 'what the pros shoot' articles
or go to a forum like idk Snipers Hide
Im not asking for advice on how to shoot matches. I've learned a lot in 2 years and was fortunate enough to work with a PRS Pro who guided me initially. Only thing holding me back is having moved from SE GA to Middle TN the frequency and distance to matches sucks. K&M being the only range in TN that holds matches and thats almost 3 hours one way. But my original comment was about expanding the PRS Divisions so.....First let me say that the best thing you did was show up and shoot. I tell people the same thing, because I’ve had and still get guys that want to come and just watch maybe a and ask questions, but somehow never actually get around to finding out how to do it really.
Personally if you showed up and shot 30/100, you did as I would expect from somebody doing that very thing. Like I did uhm, about 14 years ago.
That was the point of saying that ego and its balance with knowledge is what holds most back. Take the first couple/few Local matches as learning how it really works, learning what gear seems to work, why people are shooting the caliber and rifle configuration they are, see the flow of the course of fire and learn ways to address different situations and barricade/obstacle types.
Then spend some good money on some PRS courses that are specifically designed to show you how to accomplish them.
Sound like too much? Your choice, but consider the challenge of increasing your on the spot accuracy and muscle memory.
Figuring out ways to write a CoF and set up a match, so that the entire field of shooters can get something out of is what separates a good MD from just a dude hosting a match.At the matches and facebook pages where the MD’s ask what kind of match the shooters want for the next match, it seems all the folks chime in that they want a harder match and the match directors are making it so. It does affect business. I took one look at the mandated course of fire at a NRL match, and packed my stuff. That match changed from NRL mandated course of fire to PRS, shot a match and enjoyed the heck out of it.
All that said, make ti too easy and it’s just as much a waste of time. I really think one day matches need to have about 35% easy stages, 30% of stages that push a weak shooter hard, and can be fun for a good shooter to see how fast he/she can get through it and 35% of the stages that push the cool kids to the absolute limit.
I would also say the barrier is the learning curve at some events. There has been a arms race of upping the competitions to make them challenging where a new guy who enters us overwhelmed. It's extremely frustrating to go into events you have no way of preparing for and have never seen. One example is an action pistol stage with moving target.I see your points but new guys just need to come shoot, learn, be safe and have fun. Most of them are going to suck or at best be MP, regardless of gear. Barrier to entry is literally ego and some cash.