No, I can confirm there is no button to just turn the display off. A short press of the menu button while the screen is on is an unused button though, I wonder if they could turn it into a display off button in a firmware update. That might actually be pretty cool.
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Been out in montana running the vector x’s to try and turn up some mule deer and antelope. Coming from leica geovid pro’s 10x42, i find the vectors better across the board. To my eye they are far superior to the leicas in color, resolution, and the lazer is far more capable. I am very happy i went with them. The focus i find to be very forgiving when panning across hillsides, only issue so far is the plate fell off the focus wheel.
I think the 10x is a winner for hunters with its wider fov. It's the one I'm almost 99% sure I'm buying.
Going to reach out to their support but I wonder if anyone else has this issue.
I am getting a vastly different output from what is shown on the kestrel when connected. The hud shows 2-3 times the correct amount of adjustment.
When I disconnect the kestrel the drop from the vector x is within .02 moa of what is should be.
For example, separately at 150yds the kestrel will show .19 moa and the vector x will show .18 moa of drop. When connected the kestrel still shows .19 but the vector x will show .55 moa
(Yes, I'm still using moa)
Edit: after some fiddling it seems to be a glitch related to multiple gun profiles. Also it looks like the check box for selecting a profile does not correspond with the selected profile. If only one profile is loaded, no problems.
Edit 2: Havent heard back yet but after some thinking it seems to be displayig MRAD instead of MOA, the vector x looks like its mixing up the two when you have multiple profiles loaded that have different standards for measurements loaded.
The hud indicates its in MOA but the math is almost exactly 3.5 times what is shown on the kestrel in moa.
For now im just going to load only the profile I mainly use in the vector x, that seems to keep the issue from happening. I can switch between different profiles in the kestrel without issue.
I am getting a vastly different output from what is shown on the kestrel when connected. The hud shows 2-3 times the correct amount of adjustment.
When I disconnect the kestrel the drop from the vector x is within .02 moa of what is should be.
For example, separately at 150yds the kestrel will show .19 moa and the vector x will show .18 moa of drop. When connected the kestrel still shows .19 but the vector x will show .55 moa
(Yes, I'm still using moa)
Edit: after some fiddling it seems to be a glitch related to multiple gun profiles. Also it looks like the check box for selecting a profile does not correspond with the selected profile. If only one profile is loaded, no problems.
Edit 2: Havent heard back yet but after some thinking it seems to be displayig MRAD instead of MOA, the vector x looks like its mixing up the two when you have multiple profiles loaded that have different standards for measurements loaded.
The hud indicates its in MOA but the math is almost exactly 3.5 times what is shown on the kestrel in moa.
For now im just going to load only the profile I mainly use in the vector x, that seems to keep the issue from happening. I can switch between different profiles in the kestrel without issue.
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I got my 10x last week. Laser was perfectly centered for windage, maybe .1 mil or less high for elevation. Well within what I’d consider acceptable, and I had no issues hitting an moa target at 500, will have an opportunity to test it further this weekend. I don’t understand the criticisms I’ve read about the focus knob. Yes it has a little bit of lash back and forth, but nothing excessive and it’s incredibly easy to focus. Depth of field is also so forgiving that I don’t find myself really needing to refocus much anyway.
Image is VERY good, laser and AB is great, and the UI is Intuitive and quick to use. Fits my purposes very well.
My only real complaint is that the eyebox (for lack of a better term) is a little touchy with the HUD, where if you’re not on it just right you’ll cut off part of the display. It’s not terrible by any means though. The flip covers on the other hand… Also, I’d like to see programmable shortcuts in the future as the only one I’m currently likely to use is the range card screen. Having shortcuts for wind or gun profiles would be much more useful.
Image is VERY good, laser and AB is great, and the UI is Intuitive and quick to use. Fits my purposes very well.
My only real complaint is that the eyebox (for lack of a better term) is a little touchy with the HUD, where if you’re not on it just right you’ll cut off part of the display. It’s not terrible by any means though. The flip covers on the other hand… Also, I’d like to see programmable shortcuts in the future as the only one I’m currently likely to use is the range card screen. Having shortcuts for wind or gun profiles would be much more useful.
I have the small and it barely fits the 10s with the eyecups extended.
I'm using the FHF FOB, size large. Nice fit and enough room for Swaro 15's when I carry those.
I went the same direction. Had a small and they did not fit at all so bought a large. The large FOB feels like there would be enough room for the range extenders also but I don't have those yet so can't confirm.
Played with the Vectors a little more and was wondering what kind of ranging performance others are getting. In an urban-ish setting from high elevation, out to 1200-1500, the vectors had zero issues and could consistently get readings on most objects. Past that though became a little iffy. 2000-3000 I could get readings about 50% of the time on larger targets including large buildings or vehicles. 3500 was about a 10% success rate on a light colored building with windows. Furthest confirmed distance I was able to get was around 6500 yards on a random house for some reason, but couldn’t replicate that with any other houses or buildings at the same range. Conditions weren't favorable, sunny with no cloud cover, and probably a lot of feedback/noise from where I was at.
Obviously it’s still consistently ranging well beyond what most people shoot at, but frankly I kinda expected a bit better performance given Vectronix’s rep. Wish I had a pair of Kilos to compare side by side in the same conditions.
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Played with them again on an overcast day in a more rural area and was consistently getting 3-4000 yard readings on buildings, which was about as far as I could see. 2000+ for trees easy. Going to chalk up my earlier ranging performance to conditions. I’m a happy camper.
Obviously it’s still consistently ranging well beyond what most people shoot at, but frankly I kinda expected a bit better performance given Vectronix’s rep. Wish I had a pair of Kilos to compare side by side in the same conditions.
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Played with them again on an overcast day in a more rural area and was consistently getting 3-4000 yard readings on buildings, which was about as far as I could see. 2000+ for trees easy. Going to chalk up my earlier ranging performance to conditions. I’m a happy camper.
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I was playing with the 12X I just got. I was able to range pretty easy out to 2500. I was able to hit the backside of a sky-lined speed limit sign at 1869. It was helpful to verify where on the reticle the laser was hitting. In between the center cross hair and the first 5 mrad dot on the left side. I was able to verify this on the corner of a house and the speed limit sign.
I've been pretty impressed so far. The only issue I've had so far has been the BT. It was showing connected to the Kestrel when I didn't have the Kestrel with me. I was trying to connect to my Delta w/ AB. I tried turning the BT off and back in again and it kept showing connected to the Kestrel. I had to remove the battery to to get it to respond. Once I did that it easily connected to the watch.
I've been pretty impressed so far. The only issue I've had so far has been the BT. It was showing connected to the Kestrel when I didn't have the Kestrel with me. I was trying to connect to my Delta w/ AB. I tried turning the BT off and back in again and it kept showing connected to the Kestrel. I had to remove the battery to to get it to respond. Once I did that it easily connected to the watch.
Mine is the same way. It will only use the last profile loaded. If one profile, it will be correct. If multiple profiles, only the last one. You can select another profile and it will look like you selected it but when you return to the HUD it will only use the same last profile loaded.
On mine it seems to be related to pressing the center button. If I press right arrow as in the instructions its fine. A single short press of the center button will change the check box, if Im not careful and fully hold down the center button to exit the menu it will change the selection. Instead of trying to hold down the center button to exit ive started using the direction buttons to select the exit menu tab in the hud menu.
Also ive confirmed that on mine it is displaying mrad instead of moa when connected to the kestrel. If the gun profile in the vector x and on the kestrel are both in moa then the vector x will display the output in mrad for some reason. If i select any profile in the vector x that is set to mrad, the output in the hud from the kestrel is correct and in moa.
I hope this is a simple software fix, for now ive made a separate gun profile that is labeled mrad that i select when using the vector x with an moa proflie in the kestrel.
I have a Marsupial Gear no-mag medium and a Stone Glacier Sentinel large. Fits in both.
I have both. Personally I like the Vector X. Elevation hold and dual wind readily visible. I can change gun profiles right from the unit. Change environmental quickly from the unit. I do believe the Leica's are a touch brighter but that's just my eyes. Pretty subjective, I'm keeping both but if I could only buy one it would 100% be the vector x.
The only thing I don't like is that the wind direction is always relative to the direction the binos are oriented. Not North. It would be nice to be able to set say a south wind relative to mag north then get the correct hold whether you are facing east or west.
Edit: I think it has been mentioned but to select a profile in the binos, it's def a right arrow push.
Just my 2 cents
Hello everyone! I’m looking to buy a Vector X, I’ve got solid experience with the original Vectronix Terrapin PLRF 05 and would appreciate it if you could run a side-by-side comparison of the Vector X and the original PLRF 05 Terrapin. Same day, same targets, to really see where the Vector X stands.
What I’m most interested in is small target performance—say, 10" steel plates or even birds at 500+ meters. A friend has the Terrapin X, and we found the PLRF 05 outperforms it on small targets at those ranges. A head-to-head on this would be really useful.
I’d be very grateful if you could provide such a comparison!
What I’m most interested in is small target performance—say, 10" steel plates or even birds at 500+ meters. A friend has the Terrapin X, and we found the PLRF 05 outperforms it on small targets at those ranges. A head-to-head on this would be really useful.
I’d be very grateful if you could provide such a comparison!
Hello thank you so much for the detailed review. I’m looking to buy a Vector X, I’ve got solid experience with the original Vectronix Terrapin PLRF 05 and would appreciate it if you could run a side-by-side comparison of the Vector X and the original PLRF 05 Terrapin. Same day, same targets, to really see where the Vector X stands.
What I’m most interested in is small target performance—say, 10" steel plates, birds, telephone poles at 500+ meters. A friend has the Terrapin X, and we found the PLRF 05 outperforms it on small targets at those ranges. A head-to-head on this would be really useful.
I’d be very grateful if you could provide such a comparison!
I didn't spend time side by side with both the terrapin PLRF 05 and the new Vector X during the review. I did spend a good bit of time doing that with the Terrapin PLRF 05 and the first gen Sig 10ks and Leica Geovid Pro 32s when I did those reviews though. I have also spend a good deal of time with both the first and second gen Sig 10ks side by side with the new Vector X binos. Based on this matrix of comparisons, I didn't spend any time doing comparisons with the old PLRF 05 Terrapin. It's just not close, with any target type.
I'm quite confident in saying there is no target that the original PLRF 05 Terrapins will range that the Vector X binos will not. With most target types, you will be capable of hitting the same target well over twice as far with the Vector X binos. As for precison, you might also be interested to know that the Vector X beam divergence is 1.5 x .1 mrad wheras the PLRF 05 Terrapin beam divergence is .4 x 2.4 mrad. I have heard from a number of folks that the orignial PLRF 05 Terrapins were generally a little better at rangefinding than the Terrapin X units were. Neither of these are in a class with the Vector X and Sig 10k binoculers though.
The beam divergence of rangefinders is not an indicator of their quality at all. If you compare the beam divergence of the Terrapin X 1.2 mil x 0.5 mil and the PLRF05 0.4 x 2.4 mil, then the Terrapin X has a better one, but the PLRF 05 leaves the Terrapin X far behind in the ability to determine the distance of small targets. The PLRF25 has an even worse beam divergence of 0.7 x 1.70 mil, but there is no better rangefinder.
Here is another example from Vectronix, PLRF25, Vector 23's efficiency in measuring the distance to the same target on a bright day is reduced by almost three times. Therefore, for an accurate comparison, measurements must be taken in the same conditions. Because due to lighting conditions, the same rangefinder can measure the distance to an object on one day, but not on another day.
Certainly beam divergence is not the only factor, but it does matter a good deal when ranging the small targets you seemed most interested in especially if they are against a backdrop that is located at a different distance. In such a scenario a wider beam is going to tend to get you the backdrop instead of the target because more of it is hitting the backdrop than the target.
In the case of the comparison between the PLRF 05 and the Vector X though, beam divergence is hardly the last word. The Vector X also takes many more measurements than the PLRF 05 spaced out over a much longer time duration and collected with a significantly larger receiving lens. It then uses a better algorithm to analyze this much larger volume of data. They just aren't close in performance. In almost all scenarios, including all small target scenarios, the PLRF 05 lagged the Leica Geovid pro 32 which, in all scenarios lagged the Sig 10k that is pretty on par to the Vector X. It was actually the small targets I found the PLRF 05 to have the most difficulty relative to any of the newer, tighter beamed units though the Sig 10k and Vector X range bigger things further as well.
Anybody know if they’re mainly just shipping 10x units? I ordered the 12x at the beginning of April and know plenty of people who ordered the 10x after me who have them. Just curious if there’s a method to the madness.
Did you order with extenders? Kinda curious if they’re holding orders with extenders or just shipping those separately once they arrive in early 25.
I like them. I had a pair of Terrapin X's for the last 6 years. The reticle and magnification was what motivated me to order them. I wanted some higher power magnification to be able to truly examine or see something. I was mildly worried about using them at a match and not being able to see trace and impacts from being too narrowly focused but after looking through them for the last two weeks, I don't think that's a problem. You can freehand them but I don't use my LRFs off tripods very much so that wasn't too big of an issue for me. To me the measurement of if you can freehand them is if you can get a return from the laser and I don't think a 10X would be any better. The difference in magnification only effects the perception of stability. I'm glad I went 12X.
If I had any complaints it would be the lack of tactile feel of the rubber buttons. It's like their brail is written in lower case arial. Hard to tell which button your pressing sometimes
If I had any complaints it would be the lack of tactile feel of the rubber buttons. It's like their brail is written in lower case arial. Hard to tell which button your pressing sometimes
I ordered them with extenders and paid for them. To be shipped at a later date.
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Just received my 10s this afternoon. Nice unit, solid and good build quality. At first glance reticle appears thicker than I was expecting. Still need to get it out to make a comment about glass/picture.
I do have one complaint and, frankly, is rather annoying considering the price point, and that is the focus knob. It has, what feels like in use and what I see looking through, about 1/4 turn of play before the focus adjustment kicks in. Start turning it, has a lite feel, then after 1/4 turn stiffens and you can feel the adjustment moving. Goes both ways. Maybe a better way to describe it is backlash or slop but it feels cheap. I’m playing with it looking at my Geovids on the bench thinking this is not right.
I do have one complaint and, frankly, is rather annoying considering the price point, and that is the focus knob. It has, what feels like in use and what I see looking through, about 1/4 turn of play before the focus adjustment kicks in. Start turning it, has a lite feel, then after 1/4 turn stiffens and you can feel the adjustment moving. Goes both ways. Maybe a better way to describe it is backlash or slop but it feels cheap. I’m playing with it looking at my Geovids on the bench thinking this is not right.
Ya, it’s dramatically different than my Leicas and Swaros I’ve used. What’s disappointing to me, short of the image, the focus knob is probably one’s biggest connection with a set of binos (your constantly adjusting it when glassing) and its flat out poor on these. If I had a chance to fondle these prior to buying, I probably would have paused buying on this one item alone.
I saw the same issue at the PRS Finale when using 10x42 with extenders. Too much play on the focus wheel.
Definitely depends on how you're using them. If you're using them at a PRS match I could see it not being that big a deal when 80% of your targets are within a couple hundred yards distance of each other. If you're a hunter and you're looking through brush regularly you're probably going to be on the focus knob more trying to move the focal plane in and out to get it out past the brush.
It hasn't bothered me that much, but now that he's said it I'm probably going to notice it more.
It hasn't bothered me that much, but now that he's said it I'm probably going to notice it more.
I noticed it right off the bat with mine, but it doesn't bother me one bit. You can almost think of it like taking up the slack on a 2 stage trigger. For long range, you'll rarely hit the focus knob since the DOF is so forgiving on these unless you're pulling focus to see mirage. I've also been using mine all bow season. It's one of those things you notice at first, but get used to pretty quick.
I used a set of 10x SMR for several weeks while guiding in Wyoming, all handheld. I will echo that the depth of field was so forgiving I didn’t adjust focus much. And yes, edge clarity could be better, but I had to look to see it. The lase button is a little recessed and I had to search for it a couple times. Those would be the nits I had to pick.
Image quality otherwise was as good or better (to my eyes) from co-workers Leica and Swarovski’s. The screens and interface are excellent and quickly learned. Lots of great and useful features to them.
I am 100% glad I bought them and find the overall package probably best on the market for what I’m my uses (western hunting & shooting and maybe an NRL match here or there).
Image quality otherwise was as good or better (to my eyes) from co-workers Leica and Swarovski’s. The screens and interface are excellent and quickly learned. Lots of great and useful features to them.
I am 100% glad I bought them and find the overall package probably best on the market for what I’m my uses (western hunting & shooting and maybe an NRL match here or there).
The hunting aspect and back focusing to see mirage direction and speed more clearly. Being forward focused on mirage will for some reason will flip the mirages direction in the optic.
Zero experience on these binos as of yet, but has anyone asked Vectronix about this issue incase it has a fix on their end? A lot like the "mushy" Gen 3 Razor elevation turret issue Vortex fixed soon after launch.
Is this the Kobayashi marru version of a snipe hunt?
How would you know if you were hitting the bird or the ground in front of it or left or right of it?
I agree with you that on the ground it is very difficult to understand whether it is the distance to the ground or to the bird. The best way to understand the rangefinder's capabilities is to measure a bird sitting on wires at a distance of 500-1000 m.
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