X - Vectronix Shooting Solutions

[JGRJR]

I am moving from several full AB devices, specifically Sig 8K and Sig 10K. My question is a general one. When linking a wind meter is there any advantage to using a wind meter with full AB? Why not use a Kestrel 5700 instead of a 5700 Elite? You do not need the full AB.
So the question is why use a full AB meter with a full AB rangefinder? Why not just use a 5700?

I gave my 5700 Elite to my son. I have been trying to set up the “non functional “ Calypso Mini AB. I need a better solution. So back to Kestrel 5700 or 5700 Elite? Which one? What say you?

 

[4O6shootist]

I have a non ab mini calypso, I use the app to have real time wind values(works well so far) to put into my solver, now I'll input that data to the vector via the app, as it's much easier to use that system than pushing the buttons inside the vector. I'm pretty sure these new interfacing tech devices to integrate to the vector, and calypso are all just waiting on development and firmware to link or all up.

 

[JGRJR]

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So if I get your work flow on the Calypso Mini non AB.
Use the Calypso Anemotracker app to get real time wind data.
Take the wind value and manually input to the VECSS app.
VECSS app pushes wind data to Vector X.

 

[4O6shootist]

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So if I get your work flow on the Calypso Mini non AB.
Use the Calypso Anemotracker app to get real time wind data.
Take the wind value and manually input to the VECSS app.
VECSS app pushes wind data to Vector X.

Yeah, unfortunately that's the only way currently. It'll be 2025 before the calypso functions with any of the ab engine devices I'm thinking.

Takes 5 seconds to send wind from app to binos and no button pushing, so I choose that over bino wind interface.

I'm hoping eventually I can firmware update my calypso to AB version, I didn't think there was a difference when I ordered 3 months ago, boy was a wrong.

 

[Tyler Kemp]

They are lol better than nothing but not by much. I’m hoping @Tyler Kemp can make some screw in caps that aren’t ARD.

@Lil' Tone when is our shipment coming in? So we can make some screw in caps

 

[CSTactical]

Looks like we will have a few extra units shipping in, feel free to call us at 916-670-1103
Here's what we have below:

VECTRONIX SHOOTING SOLUTIONS VECTOR X 42 10x42 Rangefinding Binocular w/MSR-SMR Reticle 917235

VECTRONIX SHOOTING SOLUTIONS VECTOR X 42 12x42 Rangefinding Binocular w/MSR-SMR Reticle 917237

 

[Lil' Tone]

@Lil' Tone when is our shipment coming in? So we can make some screw in caps

We have not been graced with a tracking number or shipping estimate yet.

 

[J_D]

I’d be in for a set of screw in caps or an attachment to these that will stay on.

I took these out to one match and they pop off way too easy for my comfort.

 

[Covertnoob5]

@Lil' Tone when is our shipment coming in? So we can make some screw in caps

I’d be willing to send you mine if it doesn’t take too long?

 

[Criver600]

Shipping today minus the extenders

 

[5Baize]

Shipping today minus the extenders

Where from?

 

[4O6shootist]

Where from?

I know Euro just dropped a batch.

 

[Criver600]

Where from?

Eurooptic, pre-ordered back in March

 

[5Baize]

Eurooptic, pre-ordered back in March

Thanks guys!

March!

My may order must still be far away

Maybe Christmas ?

 

[tydex21]

They are lol better than nothing but not by much. I’m hoping @Tyler Kemp can make some screw in caps that aren’t ARD.

I hope Tyler makes a simple arca for them…I hate both of the two out right now but love the concept.

 

[Turbwhistle]

I really wish they made them so you can mount the arca adapter on either side.

 

[Lil' Tone]

I hope Tyler makes a simple arca for them…I hate both of the two out right now but love the concept.

We (MKM) will have something like this made up shortly after we get our first order of Vector X's in, or sooner if someone is willing to loan us one for a couple weeks. https://www.mkmachining.com/product/sig-kilo10k-binocular-cap-set-arca/

Solving both issues given, but we will probably also look at making screw in caps if we can make it work.

 

[Turbwhistle]

After a day of running these at a match, and an evening of glassing up squirrels, here are my thoughts.

A little back ground, i ran swaro el ranges, then zeiss rf binos for a year, then geovid 3200.coms, then geovid pros for a year. The zeiss had the best glass to my eye. The geovid pro’s had the best ballistic system and kestrel integration.

This was all until the vectronix. Side by side i much prefer the vectronix over the leicas. The detail they pick up is far better, the focus is extremely forgiving, and i notice very little distortion. From recollection, they are as good if not better than the zeiss.

The lazer is much easier to use then the leicas and was able to laze smaller targets at further distances. One today was a 66% ipcs at 1019yards, and a bear target about the same size, same yardage. Both were in a shadowed tree line. Also did very well picking us small targets 3-4” at 400-600 yards. Basically everything today was easily ranged.

I felt little to no eye fatigue after using them all day, easily spotted trace, and bullet impacts in dark wet dirt at 800 yards.

I run a leofoto ma30 head, and don't find these to work well with the head based off of the positioning of the arca mount, but i picked up a rrs scout head, and feel this is a fantastic solution. It makes it very simple to pan to different targets with one hand.


Any reservations i had about these were for not, and i am extremely pleased with the purchase. I look forward to many years of use.

 

[Tyler Kemp]

I’d be willing to send you mine if it doesn’t take too long?

Bring it on! Email us [email protected] please.

 

[rxthurm]

For those that have Hornady 4DOF Kestrel, the update happening in early December should hopefully allow for Bluetooth communication according to the company.

 

[ifly4vamerica]

Has anybody used the AB Cloud yet? On my Leica app the AB cloud works fine, but on the VECCS app the cloud backup throws an error saying to check network connection. I have tried on three different android phones, same result.

Just curious if anybody else had the same result.

 

[4O6shootist]

Has anybody used the AB Cloud yet? On my Leica app the AB cloud works fine, but on the VECCS app the cloud backup throws an error saying to check network connection. I have tried on three different android phones, same result.

Just curious if anybody else had the same result.

Every freaking time! No connection whether cell or wifi. Def full of glitches.

 

[4O6shootist]

So how does one lock the temp on the VectorX? Say im glassing from the truck window where it's relatively warm, 60° but it's 35° outside and I want the 35° to calculate in for dope? I liked the Sig 10k feature to set it to manual and input your own temp in the menu.

 

[rxthurm]

Yes if I remember correctly you can enter certain manual environmentals from the unit, and you for sure can do it from the app.

 

[4O6shootist]

Yes if I remember correctly you can enter certain manual environmentals from the unit, and you for sure can do it from the app.

Sending the data from app would just be over written once you hit the range button and collects environmental data for next dope call tho right? I need to get intimate with these over the next 6 days for efficiency in the field, elk hunt starts in a week. Guns are dialed, everything is mostly ready cept my work flow with the vectorX.

 

[rxthurm]

If you set the environmentals to Manual it shouldn’t update without you manually changing it.

 

[ifly4vamerica]

To lock the temp you just access the environmental via the unit. In the temp field you can choose "internal sensor" or select a known temperature. Once you do this the unit will only use that temperature for the calculations.

Also I talked to folks at AB today, they know about the issue with the AB Cloud, apparently they are working on the bugs, the plan is to release a fix "in a few weeks". When I enquired about that they said they weren't releasing any fixes until they could release working apps for both Apple and Android at the same time. Apparently Apple had some additional hoops to jump through.

Interestingly enough AB Cloud works fine on the Leica App.

 

[Bg408!]

Mine shipped on Friday .I ordered them on March 21

 

[dubbednate]

Mine shipped on Friday .I ordered them on March 21

10x or 12x?

 

[Bg408!]

12x

 

[giumau1]

My Sig 3k is asking for retirement. But I feel the Vector-x plus Calipso is too green as a team the replace my Kestrel elite and ‘dumb’ bino lrf PRS routine. I have a great deal for a Swaro el range I can’t pass up. Sorry.

 

[point45]

Got mine in last week and took them out hunting this past weekend.

Optically they are great, everyone that looked through them agreed they are worth it just for the glass.

Had to remove the battery to reset the binos twice. Once the sensors were not updating the environmental data and another time the hud would not come back on but it was still ranging and sending data to the kestrel.

Two things that I noticed that could be an issue. Through some sparse tall grass it would not range and I had to factory reset the binoculars for them to display the data from the kestrel. The kestrel would get the range data and compute the drop but the display would be different.

 

[point45]

Does it have a "gate" function? To ignore reflections inside a certain range that you can set. And are you able to program how long the HUD remains in view after a lase?

Theres only two laser modes, and neither one made a difference in the grass.

Yes, theres a time out option for the HUD but that wasn't the problem I had. The HUD usually powers on within a second of pressing the lase button, this doesn't change.

 

[carbonbased]

when I was looking thru a friend's model I really disliked how much space it takes up in the FOV

Interesting that you say that. I thought the same thing when seeing through-bino pics.

 

[carbonbased]

And definitely for how long it stays on

I own Fury 5000 G2 without the AB. Even its sparse display bugs me a bit as it stays on a while.

I think IIRC on my unit if I click the Mode button once while the display is on, then the display turns off. Something like that.

Edit: just walked out to the car to check. If the range display is on, if one holds the Mode button down for a bit you enter into settings. Then you immediately hold the Mode button down again to return to Range mode. The display doesn’t turn off but all that is now shown is the crosshairs and some tiny stuff…the large numbers are gone. Not perfect but better than before.

I wonder if the X works like that as well?

 

[point45]

I own Fury 5000 G2 without the AB. Even its sparse display bugs me a bit as it stays on a while.

I think IIRC on my unit if I click the Mode button once while the display is on, then the display turns off. Something like that.

I wonder if the X works like that as well?

The HUD stays on for a minimum of 20sec.

I only had the hud on right before I take a shot or think I see something worth shooting at.

Its off 90% of the time, I think its nice to see range, drop and wind data in one screen. Ive never actually watched the hud turn off while using it during the hunt because I only need to look at the screen for a few seconds before picking up the rifle or putting the binoculars down to move on.

My last range finder was a sig 2400bdx and outside of the shooting range I didnt like that I had to wait a few seconds as it cycled between range, drop and wind.

 

[lonestar1845]

I think the HUD is perfect on these. Like @point45 mentioned, I didn't like the cycling between range and holds on the fury's. The HUD is finer on the vectors and easier to see through than my fury's were. I've spent alot of time behind my vectors and the HUD has never bothered me. If you're worried about it, you can set the screen on time from 5 seconds to 60 seconds. You can also dim the brightness down so you can see through it easier. I just run mine on auto brightness.

 

[carbonbased]

The HUD stays on for a minimum of 20sec.

I only had the hud on right before I take a shot or think I see something worth shooting at.

Its off 90% of the time, I think its nice to see range, drop and wind data in one screen. Ive never actually watched the hud turn off while using it during the hunt because I only need to look at the screen for a few seconds before picking up the rifle or putting the binoculars down to move on.

My last range finder was an sig 2400bdx and outside of the shooting range I didnt like that I had to wait a few seconds as it cycled between range, drop and wind.

I get it. Sounds like it works fine for your use.

To be clear, I am in no way saying the Fury’s are in the same league as the Vectronix. Either in interface or performance.

For me, I primarily use it in the pdog or ground squirrels fields. Often I will range a pdog and the dang thing jumps in a hole before I even get off the binos.

Then it’s a small irritation when immediately scanning for more targets due to the HUD blasting my right eye. The targets are tiny…and easily obscured.

I think I’d be bugged if I couldn’t hack a way to turn off the even bigger HUD of the X at will. But a 5 sec shut off probably is ok.

 

[7mm]

I must be really dumb but I can't figure out how to pair the vector x with my kestrel...can someone help me out here?

 

[lonestar1845]

Make sure you're not connected to your phone. You can't do both at the same time right now.

 

[lonestar1845]

I own Fury 5000 G2 without the AB. Even its sparse display bugs me a bit as it stays on a while.

I think IIRC on my unit if I click the Mode button once while the display is on, then the display turns off. Something like that.

Edit: just walked out to the car to check. If the range display is on, if one holds the Mode button down for a bit you enter into settings. Then you immediately hold the Mode button down again to return to Range mode. The display doesn’t turn off but all that is now shown is the crosshairs and some tiny stuff…the large numbers are gone. Not perfect but better than before.

I wonder if the X works like that as well?

No, I can confirm there is no button to just turn the display off. A short press of the menu button while the screen is on is an unused button though, I wonder if they could turn it into a display off button in a firmware update. That might actually be pretty cool.

 

[Caba]

For the folks that used these hunting, how does the image quality compate to a Swaro EL or the like? Thanks.

 

[Turbwhistle]

Been out in montana running the vector x’s to try and turn up some mule deer and antelope. Coming from leica geovid pro’s 10x42, i find the vectors better across the board. To my eye they are far superior to the leicas in color, resolution, and the lazer is far more capable. I am very happy i went with them. The focus i find to be very forgiving when panning across hillsides, only issue so far is the plate fell off the focus wheel.

 

[Caba]

Been out in montana running the vector x’s to try and turn up some mule deer and antelope. Coming from leica geovid pro’s 10x42, i find the vectors better across the board. To my eye they are far superior to the leicas in color, resolution, and the lazer is far more capable. I am very happy i went with them. The focus i find to be very forgiving when panning across hillsides, only issue so far is the plate fell off the focus wheel.

I think the 10x is a winner for hunters with its wider fov. It's the one I'm almost 99% sure I'm buying.

 

[point45]

Going to reach out to their support but I wonder if anyone else has this issue.

I am getting a vastly different output from what is shown on the kestrel when connected. The hud shows 2-3 times the correct amount of adjustment.

When I disconnect the kestrel the drop from the vector x is within .02 moa of what is should be.

For example, separately at 150yds the kestrel will show .19 moa and the vector x will show .18 moa of drop. When connected the kestrel still shows .19 but the vector x will show .55 moa

(Yes, I'm still using moa)

Edit: after some fiddling it seems to be a glitch related to multiple gun profiles. Also it looks like the check box for selecting a profile does not correspond with the selected profile. If only one profile is loaded, no problems.

Edit 2: Havent heard back yet but after some thinking it seems to be displayig MRAD instead of MOA, the vector x looks like its mixing up the two when you have multiple profiles loaded that have different standards for measurements loaded.
The hud indicates its in MOA but the math is almost exactly 3.5 times what is shown on the kestrel in moa.

For now im just going to load only the profile I mainly use in the vector x, that seems to keep the issue from happening. I can switch between different profiles in the kestrel without issue.

 

[Rainy0Days]

I got my 10x last week. Laser was perfectly centered for windage, maybe .1 mil or less high for elevation. Well within what I’d consider acceptable, and I had no issues hitting an moa target at 500, will have an opportunity to test it further this weekend. I don’t understand the criticisms I’ve read about the focus knob. Yes it has a little bit of lash back and forth, but nothing excessive and it’s incredibly easy to focus. Depth of field is also so forgiving that I don’t find myself really needing to refocus much anyway.

Image is VERY good, laser and AB is great, and the UI is Intuitive and quick to use. Fits my purposes very well.

My only real complaint is that the eyebox (for lack of a better term) is a little touchy with the HUD, where if you’re not on it just right you’ll cut off part of the display. It’s not terrible by any means though. The flip covers on the other hand… Also, I’d like to see programmable shortcuts in the future as the only one I’m currently likely to use is the range card screen. Having shortcuts for wind or gun profiles would be much more useful.

 

[Rainy0Days]

What Bino packs are people using for the 10 and 12x? Wondering how the large Eberlestock Recon would fit

I have the small and it barely fits the 10s with the eyecups extended.

 

[ifly4vamerica]

What Bino packs are people using for the 10 and 12x? Wondering how the large Eberlestock Recon would fit

I'm using the FHF FOB, size large. Nice fit and enough room for Swaro 15's when I carry those.

 

[lonestar1845]

Mine fit great in the marsupial gear medium, even with the 419 arca installed. My Fury's fit pretty tight with the RRS cinch.

 

[BigPrince]

I'm using the FHF FOB, size large. Nice fit and enough room for Swaro 15's when I carry those.

I went the same direction. Had a small and they did not fit at all so bought a large. The large FOB feels like there would be enough room for the range extenders also but I don't have those yet so can't confirm.