Rifle Competition Events What would you change or do differently with current competitions/organizations?

HardRockARC · Tuesday at 3:52 PM

lash said:
It’s simply because my match difficulty or ease doesn’t hinge on how close or far away people shoot a KYL while prone. Why is that hard to understand?

You made an incorrect assumption that since I don’t do that, then my matches are meatball matches.

My invitation to come shoot still stands if you ever wander down in this direction.

Whats your range called? Website? Where can people sign up?

lash · Tuesday at 4:13 PM

Range is Volusia County Gun Club, PRS22 matches are Swampland Precision. Aaron Kincaid runs the centerfire PRS matches.

You can find both on the PRS website with links to sign up through PractiScore or find and sign up using PractiScore.

Rob01 · Tuesday at 4:14 PM

lash said:
It’s simply because my match difficulty or ease doesn’t hinge on how close or far away people shoot a KYL while prone. Why is that hard to understand?

You made an incorrect assumption that since I don’t do that, then my matches are meatball matches.

My invitation to come shoot still stands if you ever wander down in this direction.

Because a stage which a lot of matches shoot every year and consider a go to stage of a KYL at 50 yards you feel is too challenging. If that’s used as a reference point to how you plan your match then assumptions will be made not just by me. Never called your match a meatball match as that would be a stretch not knowing the other targets/stages being used. I am sure I am not the only one making those assumptions seeing that reference but if your other stages are more difficult and challenging then what is your heartburn with a 50 yard KYL?

ETA Forgot to say thanks for the invite but it’s about 7.5 hour drive so a little far but will keep it in mind.

HardRockARC · Tuesday at 4:22 PM

lash said:
Range is Volusia County Gun Club, PRS22 matches are Swampland Precision. Aaron Kincaid runs the centerfire PRS matches.

You can find both on the PRS website with links to sign up through PractiScore or find and sign up using PractiScore.

I know of Aaron, shot in a squad together in GA. What’s your name Mr match director

lash · Tuesday at 4:22 PM

Rob01 said:
Because a stage which a lot of matches shoot every year and consider a go to stage of a KYL at 50 yards you feel is too challenging. If that’s used as a reference point to how you plan your match then assumptions will be made not just by me. Never called your match a meatball match as that would be a stretch not knowing the other targets/stages being used. I am sure I am not the only one making those assumptions seeing that reference but if your other stages are more difficult and challenging then what is your heartburn with a 50 yard KYL?

Again, all this started because someone above talked about shooting 1/4” at 50-100 yards. I took exception to that and ever since, you’ve been worrying that point to death. If that’s all you care about and you find that all your matches have that stage, maybe you should change things up a bit and shoot some different matches.

If you care, I also said that I’ve seen people clean the small kyl at 50, so what’s your heartburn all about? Trying to make me say something else that you can create drama about? The heartburn you speak of is solely a creation of your personal gnawing on this one inconsequential issue.

I suggest you go back and read all my posts in this thread, many of which you “liked”. I clearly talk about my approach to matches a number of times.

lash · Tuesday at 4:23 PM

HardRockARC said:
I know of Aaron, shot in a squad together in GA. What’s your name Mr match director

Mike LaRoe. What’s yours Mr.?

Rob01 · Tuesday at 4:26 PM

lash said:
Again, all this started because someone above talked about shooting 1/4” at 50-100 yards. I took exception to that and ever since, you’ve been worrying that point to death. If that’s all you care about and you find that all your matches have that stage, maybe you should change things up a bit and shoot some different matches.

If you care, I also said that I’ve seen people clean the small kyl at 50, so what’s your heartburn all about? Trying to make me say something else that you can create drama about? The heartburn you speak of is solely a creation of your personal gnawing on this one inconsequential issue.

I suggest you go back and read all my posts in this thread, many of which you “liked”. I clearly talk about my approach to matches a number of times.

Not at all my major concern in a match but obviously some heartburn for you so will just let it die out.

HardRockARC · Tuesday at 4:30 PM

lash said:
Mike LaRoe. What’s yours Mr.?

No joke, Mike LaRocque. Hilarious.

lash · Tuesday at 4:42 PM

HardRockARC said:
No joke, Mike LaRocque. Hilarious.

haha! That is funny, and coincidental.

b6graham · Tuesday at 5:58 PM

well blame me for this argument. cause i've put an 8 target KYL at 80y with 2" to 1/4", and the standard 4 shot 1"-1/4" at 65y

just the first old COF i pulled up. but i'd be willing to bet they were cleaned by at least one person

lash · Tuesday at 6:54 PM

b6graham said:
well blame me for this argument. cause i've put an 8 target KYL at 80y with 2" to 1/4", and the standard 4 shot 1"-1/4" at 65y

just the first old COF i pulled up. but i'd be willing to bet they were cleaned by at least one person

I don’t have anymore arguments.

DFOOSKING · Wednesday at 8:31 AM

After reading some of the last few posts.....I think I saw a 1/4" kyl target no further than 60 or 65yds in the many years of doing NRL22. And it definitely wasn't a hit to advance type target.

I did see one as part of like a 110 - 120yd 15 plate kyl rack at a NRL22X or outlaw (can't remember which)....something like 4" going down to 1/4" or some such crap. Hit to advance. 1 guy cleaned. 2 missed one, many missed only 2 or 3 plates. Only a very few missed 5 or more. Wind was definitely there. Nobody bitched as you had a ton of shooting to wind the last couple of hard ones. And missing 3 or 4 out of 15 was hardly cause for heartburn on 12 stage event.

I think you guys are making mountains out of mole hills just a smidge. The traditional 4 plate kyl or the 1/4" plate being placed at a ridiculous yardage just doesn't happen with any kind of regularity. And if it did happen....we ALL would have the common sense to look at it for the oddity/circus stunt/challenge that it is. And sure enough, it wouldn't be seen again any time soon. Especially if people did bitch about it.

Dead Eye Dick · Wednesday at 10:09 AM

Just so we are all on the same page, a KYL isn't a KYL unless its a quit when you want and keep your points or miss and score"0"

Let's Pretend this is a KYL, take our score and move on to the next stage.

Lash, it's a far piece from our son's home in Valparaiso but maybe we can gather up Brenda and Will III and I can shoot and then combine it with something she wants. (and dang it, if she would; she would be a contender for the ladies trophy, if her hip gets back, up to the task.). She’s a darn fine shot, International Class in Small Bore IHMSA and always brings home dinner when she goes into the squirrel woods with her .22 rifle.

Rob01 · Wednesday at 10:21 AM

Dead Eye Dick said:
Just so we are all on the same page, a KYL isn't a KYL unless its a quit when you want and keep your points or miss and score"0"

Let's Pretend this is a KYL, take our score and move on to the next stage.

Lash, it's a far piece from our son's home in Valparaiso but maybe we can gather up Brenda and Will III and I can shoot and then combine it with something she wants. (and dang it, if she would; she would be a contender for the ladies trophy, if her hip gets back, up to the task.). She’s a darn fine shot, International Class in Small Bore IHMSA and always brings home dinner when she goes into the squirrel woods with her .22 rifle.

They stopped doing those kind or KYL years ago when people started crying about losing points. Started taking the strategy out of the match.

DM1975 · Wednesday at 10:34 AM

I quit shooting PRS years ago and haven’t shot NRL22 in a couple years now. Mostly because of cost but also because I feel there’s a lack of community to it. For people who live near a range that has these competitions that might not be so much the case, but until just the last few years for me I had to source my own land to practice on and had to do it 110% on my own.

Build the sport into more of a community with local chapters where you can have monthly get togethers other than for competition to mentor, pass on information, and give a sense of belonging. Make that the experience and the matches the final destination.

You could have it where memebers get together monthly and do dry fire clinics, teach classes, shoot for fun and experience even at reduced ranges or with 22’s, and have others there that can help guide them that aren’t focused on winning a match. This is where growth and innovation can happen the most I think. Plus it gives the people interested in it that are hours away from a suitable range a place to get their feet wet and learn something without having to drive for hours just to get little or nothing out of the experience.

If you want growth then get people involved like that and they’ll grow it for you. I always hear of local shooting clubs but I never have been involved with one where it felt like a real club or community. At least nowhere that I’ve ever lived.

Dead Eye Dick · Wednesday at 10:48 AM

Rob01 said:
They stopped doing those kind or KYL years ago when people started crying about losing points. Started taking the strategy out of the match.

Not exactly, shoot one two weeks ago. Outlaw match at Altus. Last year, center hit the first rack, easy for the second right, I’m surprized the round landed on the planet Earth. Points “0” Shot it two weeks ago, got a score and quit.

There’s some talk around that a true KYL needs to come back. Winning and loosing is not about just winning. To me, it’s about taking chances to get to the win. If it’s a guarantee, what’s the point? Just go to the damned trophy shop and purchase the another attic dwelling piece of wood and plastic.

(There I go, another one of those dreaded four letter words. I’m corrupted for sure)

Rob01 · Wednesday at 10:59 AM

Dead Eye Dick said:
Not exactly, shoot one two weeks ago. Outlaw match at Altus. Last year, center hit the first rack, easy for the second right, I’m surprized the round landed on the planet Earth. Points “0” Shot it two weeks ago, got a score and quit.

There’s some talk around that a true KYL needs to come back. Winning and loosing is not about just winning. To me, it’s about taking chances to get to the win. If it’s a guarantee, what’s the point? Just go to the damned trophy shop and purchase the another attic dwelling piece of wood and plastic.

(There I go, another one of those dreaded four letter words. I’m corrupted for sure)

Keyword “outlaw”.

Dead Eye Dick · Wednesday at 1:08 PM

Rob01 said:
Keyword “outlaw”.

II agree. Pushing the envelope. Apparently from the opinions being expressed here, it needs to be pushed.

Rob01 · Wednesday at 1:12 PM

Dead Eye Dick said:
II agree. Pushing the envelope. Apparently from the opinions being expressed here, it needs to be pushed.

I am fine with the KYal being what it was intended. I hated when the PRS changed it. It used to be a good part of matches and made people think how to play it. Most times I only went to the line with 2 maybe 3 rounds so I wouldn’t lose points.

Dead Eye Dick · Wednesday at 1:29 PM

Can the drama be imagined if at the AG cup, the KYL rack was a true KYL stage and it was the last stage and these men were shooting it for $20,000. Talk about television appeal. And if the score ties, they have to shoot it again. Similar but not quite the same as the tie breaker of the three way tie a couple of years back.

You have a two point lead, how do you shoot the KYL, take the chance or play it safe. The real money says, go for it because the fellow two shots behind is going for it. And he’s got the fellow one shot behind him, going for it.

DM1975 · Wednesday at 1:33 PM

Dead Eye Dick said:
Can the drama be imagined if at the AG cup, the KYL rack was a true KYL stage and it was the last stage and these men were shooting it for $20,000. Talk about television appeal. And if the score ties, they have to shoot it again. Similar but not quite the same as the tie breaker of the three way tie a couple of years back.

You have a two point lead, how do you shoot the KYL, take the chance or play it safe. The real money says, go for it because the fellow two shots behind is going for it. And he’s got the fellow one shot behind him, going for it.

I suppose that’s why they call it a competition.

Rob01 · Wednesday at 1:49 PM

Dead Eye Dick said:
Can the drama be imagined if at the AG cup, the KYL rack was a true KYL stage and it was the last stage and these men were shooting it for $20,000. Talk about television appeal. And if the score ties, they have to shoot it again. Similar but not quite the same as the tie breaker of the three way tie a couple of years back.

You have a two point lead, how do you shoot the KYL, take the chance or play it safe. The real money says, go for it because the fellow two shots behind is going for it. And he’s got the fellow one shot behind him, going for it.

That’s part of the game. Lol

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