Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

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4O6shootist said:
I've got two arc actions, neither were slathered in what appears to be axle grease either lol
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Sorry I fibbed a little. The action I pictured wasn't a Nuke. That was an Archimedes & if you look close you'll see it is serial #20.

The most recent G2 Nuke I got from the BF sale was greased but very lightly.

I clean all the factory grease out & initially run a light coat of Red line Assembly grease on the lugs during the first 1-2 hundred rounds and then switch to 2A Gun oil.
 
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carlooa said:

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Looks like the bolt lift and close is not normal 3 lug weight. Daaaaaamn.
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If it's anything like the Archimedes (which it is, as long as the pivoting bolt handle is installed) the bolt opening and closing should be extremely smooth, especially if you have the trigger tuned for 0 overcocking to -0.005" to -0.010" decocking on close which will eliminate any "hitch" on close due to overcocking. The pivoting bolt handle extraction means 100% of the bolt rotation can be used for cocking, so the cocking ramps on the back of the bolt can be shallower to reduce bolt lift effort. Also keep in mind the CDG is 70 degree rotation (Archimedes is 75 degree) so there's more bolt rotation to spread the cocking effort over and the cocking ramps are shallower than a more typical 60 degree rotation 3 lug action.

My Archimedes are set for -0.005" decocking on close and they are stupid smooth opening and closing as rotating the bolt handle closed gently lets the cocking piece fall 0.005" to the sear. You don't even feel it unless you're running the action really slowly and trying to feel for it, and even then it's barely perceptible. The only thing you really notice running them slowly is the slight forward effort needed to depress the bolt shroud locking pin, and that effort is minimal... it's fingertip smooth opening and closing just like in the video of the CDG you linked. Tuning the trigger on the CDG for perfect timing is going to be cake with the adjustable trigger hanger, on the Archimedes you have to swap cocking pieces which are available in different lengths and the "perfect" length for zero cock on close might be half way between two of the available lengths.

I still have an unbuilt short action Archimedes that I could use for my next build, but I'm picking up a CDG because that next build I have planned can run out of AW mags, and AW mags are awesome.

I'll probably keep my current 223AI and 7SAUM Archimedes builds running the Archimedes as right now the only mags available for 223 and magnum are single stack, and the Archimedes feeds them both perfectly with zero mag mods or mag latch mods. If someone comes out with a double stack 223 AW magazine I'll probably switch that rifle to the CDG on the next rebarrel so I can run the double stack mags. That's a big if though... I don't know if the market for AW 223 mags is large enough to justify the development and tooling/production costs.
 
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Kiba said:
If it's anything like the Archimedes (which it is, as long as the pivoting bolt handle is installed) the bolt opening and closing should be extremely smooth, especially if you have the trigger tuned for 0 overcocking to -0.005" to -0.010" decocking on close which will eliminate any "hitch" on close due to overcocking. The pivoting bolt handle extraction means 100% of the bolt rotation can be used for cocking, so the cocking ramps on the back of the bolt can be shallower to reduce bolt lift effort. Also keep in mind the CDG is 70 degree rotation (Archimedes is 75 degree) so there's more bolt rotation to spread the cocking effort over and the cocking ramps are shallower than a more typical 60 degree 3 lug action.

My Archimedes are set for -0.005" decocking on close and they are stupid smooth opening and closing as rotating the bolt handle closed gently lets the cocking piece fall 0.005" to the sear. You don't even feel it unless you're running the action really slowly and trying to feel for it, and even then it's barely perceptible. The only thing you really notice running them slowly is the slight forward effort needed to depress the bolt shroud locking pin, and that effort is minimal. When you're running the action normally with rounds in the mag you don't even notice it.

I still have an unbuilt short action Archimedes that I could use for my next build, but I'm picking up a CDG because that next build I have planned can run out of AW mags, and AW mags are awesome.

I'll probably keep my 223AI and 7SAUM on the Archimedes as right now the only mags available for 223 and magnum are single stack. If someone comes out with a double stack 223 AW magazine I'll probably switch that rifle to the CDG on the next rebarrel.
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I’m doing the same. 223 on the Archmedes so that I use the CDG with AW magazines.
 
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TheOE800 said:
Wondering if I shouldn’t live with my TL3 for the same.
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Then leave your TL3 in 223 and build something new on the CDG, duh. So you'll have to buy one more TT 7-35 to put on the new rifle... no big deal, just increase your pre-order quantity by 1. :ROFLMAO:

Speaking of 223, your old AXMC that I bought from you several years ago is currently running 223AI with one of the Gilbert / Enrique 223 conversion bolts.

Looking forward to the full video on the action from Ted. Even though all of my questions were answered in his quick and dirty takedown/disassembly video, I hope he shows the action in both the pivoting bolt handle configuration and the fixed handle camming extraction configuration in the full video.
 
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Kiba said:
Then leave your TL3 in 223 and build something new on the CDG, duh. So you'll have to buy one more TT 7-35 to put on the new rifle... no big deal, just increase your pre-order quantity by 1. :ROFLMAO:

Speaking of 223, your old AXMC that I bought from you several years ago is currently running 223AI with one of the Gilbert / Enrique 223 conversion bolts.

Looking forward to the full video on the action from Ted. Even though all of my questions were answered in his quick and dirty takedown/disassembly video, I hope he shows the action in both the pivoting bolt handle configuration and the fixed handle camming extraction configuration in the full video.
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You leave my TT735P preorder alone. I have beat up my rifle and optics budget for the year with that and the TacOps and we only just got into February.

That’s the issue though…my Defiance covers my needs at the .308WIN case size and I’m mid build for a 6mm ARC/.223; wanting a switch barrel/bolt for that. I also don’t love the TL3 like I do the Defiance so I’ve been thinking about trying something else without rewarding Bob Beck with my money.

The FDE AXSA? I almost messaged you to buy it back a year or two ago when I saw what they cost new now.
 
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TheOE800 said:
You leave my TT735P preorder alone. I have beat up my rifle and optics budget for the year with that and the TacOps and we only just got into February.

That’s the issue though…my Defiance covers my needs at the .308WIN case size and I’m mid build for a 6mm ARC/.223; wanting a switch barrel/bolt for that. I also don’t love the TL3 like I do the Defiance so I’ve been thinking about trying something else without rewarding Bob Beck with my money.

The FDE AXSA? I almost messaged you to buy it back a year or two ago when I saw what they cost new now.
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Yep, the FDE AXSA. Still in great shape, and now in 223AI too!

Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but it's funny how many people don't seem to like the TL3, and I don't know why that is. I put together a 22BR for a friend with a TL3 and did all the load development for it and it's really smooth and functions great-- I liked it and have zero complaints even though I prefer my Archimedes. Getting ready to build another rifle for the same friend, and he wants to be different this time so I tried to talk him into getting a CDG but he doesn't like the looks of the "skinny noodle" bolt handle, LMAO! He really wanted a polished Defiance Deviant, but after I told him about the buyout and he saw the price hikes he's now of the same mentality you and many others have and doesn't want to send any money their way. He's probably going with an Impact 737R, but I'm still trying to talk him into a CDG.

I'm not sure what caliber I want to go with for my CDG build... 22 dasher, 22GT, 6GT... can't decide. My CDG build is probably going to be a lightweight carbon barrel build on a HNT26 stock for a coyote rifle, and 22GT probably makes the most sense for it as 22GT will shoot really flat, and being a coyote rifle it isn't going to be a high volume shooter. Decisions, decisions.
 
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I've been thinking this over for a while. I plan on building off of an ARC action and I have a MPA Matrix Pro for the build. I'm curious about the barrel prefits that are going to work with this action. I looked at the example given above between where the bolt lugs are located and the print for the CDG and the bolt lugs on the Archimedes. Question; If I were to buy a CDG action and put in a 308 small shank savage barrel from X-caliber, I more or less would have feeding problems? (given that the barrel manufacturer intended the barrel for a savage action not the CDG) Just looking for some added information on what I should specify when ordering a barrel for this action. thank you for your time. - Austin
 
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Kiba said:
Yep, the FDE AXSA. Still in great shape, and now in 223AI too!

Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but it's funny how many people don't seem to like the TL3, and I don't know why that is. I put together a 22BR for a friend with a TL3 and did all the load development for it and it's really smooth and functions great-- I liked it and have zero complaints even though I prefer my Archimedes. Getting ready to build another rifle for the same friend, and he wants to be different this time so I tried to talk him into getting a CDG but he doesn't like the looks of the "skinny noodle" bolt handle, LMAO! He really wanted a polished Defiance Deviant, but after I told him about the buyout and he saw the price hikes he's now of the same mentality you and many others have and doesn't want to send any money their way. He's probably going with an Impact 737R, but I'm still trying to talk him into a CDG.

I'm not sure what caliber I want to go with for my CDG build... 22 dasher, 22GT, 6GT... can't decide. My CDG build is probably going to be a lightweight carbon barrel build on a HNT26 stock for a coyote rifle, and 22GT probably makes the most sense for it as 22GT will shoot really flat, and being a coyote rifle it isn't going to be a high volume shooter. Decisions, decisions.
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22GT. Then you can feed flawlessly from AW mags.
When my 204R gives up, my next ultra light coyote blaster will be a 22GT.
 
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Kiba said:
Getting ready to build another rifle for the same friend, and he wants to be different this time so I tried to talk him into getting a CDG but he doesn't like the looks of the "skinny noodle" bolt handle, LMAO!
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Remind him that the bolt handle is threaded on and is easily replaced with the door knocker of his choice.
 
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Grease

We don't slather the actions with grease and never did. That said, grease is a good thing so long as it's used sparingly. It doesn't take much of it to reduce friction noticeably.

I've yet to find to metallic surfaces, coated or uncoated, that didn't slide against one another more easily after applying some lube, and probably never will.

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lash said:
Remind him that the bolt handle is threaded on and is easily replaced with the door knocker of his choice.
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It's not the knob he doesn't like (heh), it's the diameter of the stem of the pivoting lever that sticks out of the bolt body that the knob threads on to . He would prefer it larger diameter and beefier looking. That's good only hangup with the action... Even after I reminded him his AI has what's basically a piece of spaghetti between the bolt knob and the bolt body. :ROFLMAO:
 
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lash said:
Ah, okay. ‘Cause a beefy looking 700 handle never broke off when somebody thought a 4# hammer was in order.
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Bolt Handle Strength

The Rem 700 handles were brazed onto the bolt bodies. Probably less than ideal.

We actually use a heavy ball peen hammer to open the Coup's bolt after destructive tests. Sometime we can't open them but them but we have yet to break a handle while trying. We have also never broken a handle during destructive testing in spite of having driven them through receivers.

Arguing about handle strength is pointless, especially if one of the actions being considered is the Coup De Grâce because the Coup's handle requires hardly any force at all to extract a case thanks to its more efficient and effective mode of operation. Higher than normal forces are applied to handles only when trying to extract cases that are stuck in the chamber. Apart from the Archimedes and Coup De Grâce, every other action requires you to strike the handle with upward blows because of the inefficient extraction cam. You ought to be more concerned with the strength of the bones in your hand than with the strength of a bolt handle if you're running anything other than an Archimedes or a Coup de Grâce.

Ted
 
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And another $100 off for anyone who doesn’t piss and moan like a little girl 2 days after they’ve ordered?

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Can we get some clean air about the level of involvement Voodu had in the development?
Nothing in this entire project says "Voodu" to me.
IMO, it screams "Ted"

For that assumption, it really is a turn off to see Voodu keep saying "our new action"

I mean...if they called up ARC and said...we need an action that is good, can you help us out. That's hardly "we had ARC develop an action based on our requirements".
 
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c_bass16 said:
Can we get some clean air about the level of involvement Voodu had in the development?
Nothing in this entire project says "Voodu" to me.
IMO, it screams "Ted"

For that assumption, it really is a turn off to see Voodu keep saying "our new action"

I mean...if they called up ARC and said...we need an action that is good, can you help us out. That's hardly "we had ARC develop an action based on our requirements".
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That's not any difference than all of the companies using a rebranded Defiance, and calling it "their new action"
 
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Looking forward to a full video rundown on this action. Especially with a built rifle striping rounds from the different magazines. Interested to see the CRF from a double stack mag. Really more interested in the future hunting version but I’m probably too impatient to wait for that.
 
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c_bass16 said:
Can we get some clean air about the level of involvement Voodu had in the development?
Nothing in this entire project says "Voodu" to me.
IMO, it screams "Ted"

For that assumption, it really is a turn off to see Voodu keep saying "our new action"

I mean...if they called up ARC and said...we need an action that is good, can you help us out. That's hardly "we had ARC develop an action based on our requirements".
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Who cares? All the gnashing of teeth over the Defiance purchase wouldn’t exist if so many hadn’t found exactly what they wanted at the time in a Defiance made, rebranded, maybe specified slightly different or not, action.

I imagine that Ted would not be upset if he suddenly received very large dealer orders as long as the rebranding and additional setup/tooling costs are taken up by the buyer. That’s how manufacturing works.
 
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karagias said:
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4O6shootist said:
I don't think having them coned will be as simple as you think. Headspace is close to same, 0.825 vs 0.827, however the flat breech is 0.675 long from barrel shoulder and the beginning of the coned breech looks much closer to the bolt nose on the new action.
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This has been nagging in the back of my head. I did a little ruff scaling from the sketch & come up with about .115" for how far the cone needs to extend down below the chamber to guide a .223 projectile in a 223 chamber. If my math is right then the tenon would need to be at least .067" longer than the std. .675" used for the flat breach.

What's bugging me is how will that clear the extractor & opposing lug nub/case support??? They stick out about .110" on a Nuke.
Almost seams like 223 would need a stepped cone breach?
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sheepdog697 said:
I’ve never put a blot gun together from components. Can someone tell me (without going through 21 pages) what type of barrel I would need for this? Would it be a prefit?

Im thinking of doing one of these in a krg X-ray chassis, and I think I could keep it under $2300. Just trying to figure out barrel costs.

Thanks in advance
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I talked to the guys from Preferred Barrels at the Arizona hunter match. They said they will have prefits.
 
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Islander said:
I talked to the guys from Preferred Barrels at the Arizona hunter match. They said they will have prefits.
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Yup! I emailed them about prefits from the get go. Said once they get the tenon print and everything checks out they can put in for a prefit while we wait for the actions to be released
other options include PVA, LRI and Straight jacket, per emails with ARC
 
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burning question #2:

how long with this introductory price last / how many actions will it be

everyone jumping to get one some guys will miss out on the price

or will it be 899 "forever"?
 
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