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I’m late to the CDG game and honestly wanted to wait a little before I considered one. I definitely wasn’t in hurry. Anyway anyone with a lightweight version care to share how the action has been in dusty/dirty conditions? I guess standard version as well. Fares well with a dusty bolt?
 
For those of you that have possibly incurred an issue with a triggertech diamond set to light. What was the issue that you experienced? What is the issue you would expect to arise if so?
 
Kinda frustrated with the trigger hanger on my CDG(s). Had to mill the fuck out of it to get my Calvin Elite to function.
Tried to get an ELF trigger in there, too, but wouldn’t go and looked like it needed to be milled out even more than the CE…..

Then came the light primer strikes on both factory and reloads; literally have 10 rounds fired because over half wouldn’t fire. Did have some bad Remington primers that wouldn’t fire across multiple actions, but that was only a few rounds.

Beautiful action, but I don’t have any confidence in it at this point 🙁
 
Kinda frustrated with the trigger hanger on my CDG(s). Had to mill the fuck out of it to get my Calvin Elite to function.
Tried to get an ELF trigger in there, too, but wouldn’t go and looked like it needed to be milled out even more than the CE…..

Then came the light primer strikes on both factory and reloads; literally have 10 rounds fired because over half wouldn’t fire. Did have some bad Remington primers that wouldn’t fire across multiple actions, but that was only a few rounds.

Beautiful action, but I don’t have any confidence in it at this point 🙁
Ted has a video on how to adjust the trigger hanger…I had the same issue with light strikes until I watched his video.

 
Kinda frustrated with the trigger hanger on my CDG(s). Had to mill the fuck out of it to get my Calvin Elite to function.
Tried to get an ELF trigger in there, too, but wouldn’t go and looked like it needed to be milled out even more than the CE…..

Then came the light primer strikes on both factory and reloads; literally have 10 rounds fired because over half wouldn’t fire. Did have some bad Remington primers that wouldn’t fire across multiple actions, but that was only a few rounds.

Beautiful action, but I don’t have any confidence in it at this point 🙁
Interesting, what did you have to mill on the trigger hanger to get it to work? The Calvin Elite doesn't look that much different than other Remington 700 style triggers. The ELF looks even skinnier. Are you just making room for the safety lever?

I dropped a Trigger Tech in mine and never thought anything of it. Old style trigger hanger too.
 
Kinda frustrated with the trigger hanger on my CDG(s). Had to mill the fuck out of it to get my Calvin Elite to function.
Tried to get an ELF trigger in there, too, but wouldn’t go and looked like it needed to be milled out even more than the CE…..

Then came the light primer strikes on both factory and reloads; literally have 10 rounds fired because over half wouldn’t fire. Did have some bad Remington primers that wouldn’t fire across multiple actions, but that was only a few rounds.

Beautiful action, but I don’t have any confidence in it at this point 🙁
I had a client with the same light primer strike issue. He had seen the video and adjusted it what he had supposed to be correct. If you call American Rifle they will talk you thru the process and get the trigger hanger set just right. With the client they were able to quickly resolve the issue and the light strikes went away.
 
Interesting, what did you have to mill on the trigger hanger to get it to work? The Calvin Elite doesn't look that much different than other Remington 700 style triggers. The ELF looks even skinnier. Are you just making room for the safety lever?

I dropped a Trigger Tech in mine and never thought anything of it. Old style trigger hanger too.

Had to mill an arc for the safety lever due to the design on the Calvin Elite.

The ELF had a lot more surface area touching, as I recall; has been a couple weeks…..

I don’t own a Trigger Tech, but looking at the design, appears to be made for the CDG trigger hanger, or vice versa.
 
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I've got 4 Archimedes and 1 CDG. I like both, but I kind of give the edge to the Archimedes as well. The opinions below are my own...

Archimedes positives:

Lighter and smoother bolt lift than CDG with equivalent rate striker springs. The Archimedes being pivoting bolt handle only with no allowance in the bolt rotation for an extraction cam has shallower cocking ramps providing a lighter bolt lift. My Archimedes with a 22# striker spring has a lighter bolt lift than my CDG with the 80N/18# spring, and the 22# spring in the Archimedes provides a lot more energy to the striker hit on the primer than the 18# spring in the CDG. The CDG with the optional 100N/22.5# spring will hit the primer as hard as the Archimedes but then has a far heavier bolt lift than the Archimedes with a comparable 22# spring.

Generous bolt body to action clearance is more tolerant of dirt IMO. My CDG bolt can get slightly "draggy" coming back when dirty because the bolt body to action clearance is tighter. The negative of this extra clearance in the Archimedes is the bolt droops and flops around a bit when open and the cocking plece can rub on the top of the stock/chassis, and if your chassis has a bump/step where the cocking piece rubs it can cause a bump/hitch when running the bolt. Some say this clearance makes the bolt easier to bind when running fast, but I've never encountered that issue.

Conventional full feed ramp and standard diameter bolt without a 6 o'clock lug means the magazines sit higher in the action and this helps feeding .378" diameter cases like 223AI that can be a little tricky to get feeding smoothly in the CDG. I've got one of my Archimedes feeding 20 Vartarg out of 223 AICS magazines with zero issues... tried that combo in my CDG as a test and quickly gave up, the CDG doesn't play nice with those small diameter stubby little cartridges, lol

Rotary bolt release makes it nearly Impossible to accidently drop the bolt, you have to twist that bolt release past the detent like you mean it and it will only fully rotate to the open position in one narrow range of the bolt travel.

I prefer the larger leaf spring style extractor on the Archimedes to the pivoting claw/ball/spring arrangement on the CDG; fewer parts and no worries about dirt or debris making the extractor ball and spring sticky. They both work though.

This one will probably get some disagreement, but I like the removable scope rail on the Archimedes. Allows easy replacement for different cant or even extended rails for scopes that need extra eye relief (not sure anyone makes an extended rail, but it is possible.) I recently used one of my Archimedes for a lightweight hunting build and swapped the rail to one with less cant because the lightweight hunting scope I was using had limited elevation travel. The rail on the Archimedes is keyed to the receiver for recoil and side impact resistance and uses 5 large flathead screws to hold it down. Never had one work loose or move. I know the integral rail on the CDG will never come loose or move, but you have no option to change the cant or get an extended rail if needed.

CDG positives:

Trigger hanger allows easy trigger timing for smoothest handoff of cocking piece from cocking ramps to trigger sear.

Integral scope rail will never come loose or move, but hopefully you ordered the right cant and don't need an extended rail.

Dedicated bolt handle bias spring means the bolt handle takes much more force to pivot than the Archimedes, so in the CDG you don't feel the bolt handle pivoting while running the bolt unless you have a stuck case. Compare this to the Archimedes which uses the striker spring to also bias the bolt handle, and because of that the bolt handle pivots much easier which means you can feel it moving a bit when running the bolt quickly even if you don't have a stuck case. I wish the pivoting handle on my Archimedes was as stiff as the CDG's pivoting handle.

Toolless takedown of the bolt and a simpler bolt takedown/reassembly procedure than the Archimedes. Need a couple of tools for the Archimedes bolt. Fewer "small fiddly bits" in the CDG bolt compared to the Archimedes bolt.

Can run AW mags, can't do that in the Archimedes. AW mags are awesome if you're running a cartridge that will feed from them.


I like them both. My preference leans towards the Archimedes, especially if you're going to use it for .378" diameter cases or a cartridge that only has single stack mags available (my Archimedes are 2x 223AI, 1x 20 Vartarg, and 1x 7 PRC, so all single stack mags.) If you're running a cartridge that will feed reliably from AW mags I leans towards the CDG (my CDG is in 22GT using AW mags and works great.)

I'm disappointed, but not surprised Ted discontinued the Archimedes in favor of the CDG. Streamlining the production flow makes perfect sense, and the CDG with the action body not needing bolt lug raceway cuts like the nucleus and Archimedes it's surely quicker and cheaper to machine. That CDG is still a nice action, but I wish the Archimedes was still available as well.
I know this is an old-ish post to reply to, but going off of the last paragraph-

I'm deciding between getting a CDG action but I'm hesitant with fear that it'll be deprecated in a couple years time and discontinued for parts for support like some of the previous ARC actions have. Misplaced fear or a real possibility?
 
I know this is an old-ish post to reply to, but going off of the last paragraph-

I'm deciding between getting a CDG action but I'm hesitant with fear that it'll be deprecated in a couple years time and discontinued for parts for support like some of the previous ARC actions have. Misplaced fear or a real possibility?

Can't say what ARC's future product roadmap looks like regarding a CDG 2.0 or an entirely new action, but I will say they stand behind their products with parts and support, even for the older actions.

The CDG seems to be doing quite well though and it incorporates a lot of design features and lessons learned from earlier actions, my hunch is it will continue for several more years at the very least with possible incremental tweaks/improvements.

I would bet Ted is working on something new though, he doesn't seem to be the type that sits on his chair and keeps making the same thing for 20 years when he has a potential product improvement bouncing around in his head. I'm thinking the xylo might see an update/replacement next, but that's just speculation on my part.
 
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Can't say what ARC's future product roadmap looks like regarding a CDG 2.0 or an entirely new action, but I will say they stand behind their products with parts and support, even for the older actions.

The CDG seems to be doing quite well though and it incorporates a lot of design features and lessons learned from earlier actions, my hunch is it will continue for several more years at the very least with possible incremental tweaks/improvements.

I would bet Ted is working on something new though, he doesn't seem to be the type that sits on his chair and keeps making the same thing for 20 years when he has a potential product improvement bouncing around in his head. I'm thinking the xylo might see an update/replacement next, but that's just speculation on my part.

It’s a fair question but answered pretty well by Kiba above. If you are buying to use and keep, you’ll not go wrong with the Cut de Gras action.

In addition to my CDG, I have an original Nucleus 1.0 that has worked without failure for years now. And I know that if I needed parts I could get them or upgraded versions thereof.
 
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I would bet Ted is working on something new though, he doesn't seem to be the type that sits on his chair and keeps making the same thing for 20 years when he has a potential product improvement bouncing around in his head. I'm thinking the xylo might see an update/replacement next, but that's just speculation on my part.
Oh Tedddd, we need a high quality tiny custom action for small centerfire cartidges, and higher cap mags for them. These are great for walk around varmint hunting but especially for colony varmints. Look up 221 Fireball, also 20 Vartarg which is one of the best ballanced cartridges for this task, and 17 Fireball.

Also it'd be really cool to have a Fortner style actioned center fire with thumb tab and that is partially mechanical assisted. Look up the SAKO finnwolf lever action for some motivation in that regard.

Combine these attributes together, and WIN the rifle action world by a huge margin. Step out and be different-"er", which you are already good at!

Please, please!
 
Oh Tedddd, we need a high quality tiny custom action for small centerfire cartidges, and higher cap mags for them. These are great for walk around varmint hunting but especially for colony varmints. Look up 221 Fireball, also 20 Vartarg which is one of the best ballanced cartridges for this task, and 17 Fireball.

Also it'd be really cool to have a Fortner style actioned center fire with thumb tab and that is partially mechanical assisted. Look up the SAKO finnwolf lever action for some motivation in that regard.

Combine these attributes together, and WIN the rifle action world by a huge margin. Step out and be different-"er", which you are already good at!

Please, please!
Me likey!
 
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Oh Tedddd, we need a high quality tiny custom action for small centerfire cartidges, and higher cap mags for them. These are great for walk around varmint hunting but especially for colony varmints. Look up 221 Fireball, also 20 Vartarg which is one of the best ballanced cartridges for this task, and 17 Fireball.

Also it'd be really cool to have a Fortner style actioned center fire with thumb tab and that is partially mechanical assisted. Look up the SAKO finnwolf lever action for some motivation in that regard.

Combine these attributes together, and WIN the rifle action world by a huge margin. Step out and be different-"er", which you are already good at!

Please, please!
Ditto
 
17 hornet, one of the best calibers out there with factory ammo also!

Did somebody say 17 Hornet?

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Some other Hide member got one of my Fireballs last month.

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Thanks all for your "likes" and support concerning my post and lets hope Ted takes on a solution for us!

The other thing I didn't mention is using these small cartridges for to mid long range steel which is another thing I do. On a calm day last year I was hitting our 1143Y steel with my CZ527 in 20VT AI and 421Y is fairly easy to do in comparison.
These have low SD, are less noisy, low recoil and rifle upset, long barrel life, are very precise little cartridges, and cheaper to shoot. Heck if you think about it high end 22rf ammo is approaching $30 a box of 50 so I tapped out using it and shoot this gun instead at long range for the challenge of it.

Aside from that I bet Ted could build a heck of a solid pcp air rifle. I like Ted's innovation more than the other co's.

Ok, I've been exceedingly OT so I'll shut up now.
 
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I bet that is just stupid quiet with that can.

Just got this last month. Prior owner had the barrel threaded and a tiny KDF brake with a cone of shame on it.
Rear scope ring was really loose, so I bet he thought it wasn't a shooter. Cleaned it up. Removed the Bushy 2-6×, and installed a 3-9×AO Burris LER scope on it.
Installed a cheap 1/2"-5/8" adapter to protect the threads.
Which will mean testing it with a can too...


The scope rings as received. A little wiggle and that ring comes right out. The front ring was way out of center also. The Bushy is now on a Fireball TC barrel.
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How it looks with a little TLC

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ETA: if it shoots like all of the other XPs I've shot, this will be its new clothes. Of course it'll get more oil on the wood.

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I’m down for a ARC Fortner style mini action with a custom made double stack double feed magazine.
At least you didn’t ask for much…LMAO. 😂
Would totally be cool though.
I bet that is just stupid quiet with that can.

Just got this last month. Prior owner had the barrel threaded and a tiny KDF brake with a cone of shame on it.
Rear scope ring was really loose, so I bet he thought it wasn't a shooter. Cleaned it up. Removed the Bushy 2-6×, and installed a 3-9×AO Burris LER scope on it.
Installed a cheap 1/2"-5/8" adapter to protect the threads.
Which will mean testing it with a can too...


The scope rings as received. A little wiggle and that ring comes right out. The front ring was way out of center also. The Bushy is now on a Fireball TC barrel.
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How it looks with a little TLC

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ETA: if it shoots like all of the other XPs I've shot, this will be its new clothes. Of course it'll get more oil on the wood.

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Stop posting your XP porn! This is a family site! 😡

😄

So ready to try out that XP at BVR.
 
I've been pretty underwhelmed with the CdG. It's a beautiful action, but I cannot get it to run smooth; it chatters and binds like crazy. I was told "it just needs to break in." Counting my primers, I'm in about 740 rounds and at least 5k + cycles with dry fire. It's a broke in as it's gonna be.

I lube with Boretech XP and Super Lube synthetic grease in all of the right places. I don't like anything on the action super wet, but I still tried it just to see if it's better. Not really.

I believe it's pinching the most at the back right side of the receiver just behind the bolt handle slot; it makes sense to me since that's the longest point of the lever with bolt fully back. Other than that, there's a fair amount of play between the cylinder/receiver, which makes me wonder if that's exacerbating binding/chatter since there's more space to create a bind as the bolt runs/has more room to run out of parallel with the receiver.

To be fair, Ted and the gang said to send it in and they'd turn it around fast, which is super cool of them. Of course I just want to know where to polish so I don't have to pull the barrel and send it. Maybe it's more than a polish and I don't want to screw any warranty.

Anyone run into this? Is this just inherent of CdG?
 
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I've been pretty underwhelmed with the CdG. It's a beautiful action, but I cannot get it to run smooth; it chatters and binds like crazy. I was told "it just needs to break in." Counting my primers, I'm in about 740 rounds and at least 5k + cycles with dry fire. It's a broke in as it's gonna be.

I lube with Boretech XP and Super Lube synthetic grease in all of the right places. I don't like anything on the action super wet, but I still tried it just to see if it's better. Not really.

I believe it's pinching the most at the back right side of the receiver just behind the bolt handle slot; it makes sense to me since that's the longest point of the lever with bolt fully back. Other than that, there's a fair amount of play between the cylinder/receiver, which makes me wonder if that's exacerbating binding/chatter since there's more space to create a bind as the bolt runs/has more room to run out of parallel with the receiver.

To be fair, Ted and the gang said to send it in and they'd turn it around fast, which is super cool of them. Of course I just want to know where to polish so I don't have to pull the barrel and send it. Maybe it's more than a polish and I don't want to screw any warranty.

Anyone run into this? Is this just inherent of CdG?
I would send it back for warranty. Mine is as smooth as my 3K+ rounds Nuke 2.0 and my 2K+ Archmedes and it's only sub 500 rounds. No grease except some light oil on the bolt body, race track and behind the lugs
 
I've been pretty underwhelmed with the CdG. It's a beautiful action, but I cannot get it to run smooth; it chatters and binds like crazy. I was told "it just needs to break in." Counting my primers, I'm in about 740 rounds and at least 5k + cycles with dry fire. It's a broke in as it's gonna be.

I lube with Boretech XP and Super Lube synthetic grease in all of the right places. I don't like anything on the action super wet, but I still tried it just to see if it's better. Not really.

I believe it's pinching the most at the back right side of the receiver just behind the bolt handle slot; it makes sense to me since that's the longest point of the lever with bolt fully back. Other than that, there's a fair amount of play between the cylinder/receiver, which makes me wonder if that's exacerbating binding/chatter since there's more space to create a bind as the bolt runs/has more room to run out of parallel with the receiver.

To be fair, Ted and the gang said to send it in and they'd turn it around fast, which is super cool of them. Of course I just want to know where to polish so I don't have to pull the barrel and send it. Maybe it's more than a polish and I don't want to screw any warranty.

Anyone run into this? Is this just inherent of CdG?


Mine isn’t very smooth, but no binding whatsoever, not sure how that’s even possible??
Is your trigger adjusted properly?? Just throwing it out there??

I wouldn’t hesitate to send it in, especially if they said to….
 
I've been pretty underwhelmed with the CdG. It's a beautiful action, but I cannot get it to run smooth; it chatters and binds like crazy. I was told "it just needs to break in." Counting my primers, I'm in about 740 rounds and at least 5k + cycles with dry fire. It's a broke in as it's gonna be.

I lube with Boretech XP and Super Lube synthetic grease in all of the right places. I don't like anything on the action super wet, but I still tried it just to see if it's better. Not really.

I believe it's pinching the most at the back right side of the receiver just behind the bolt handle slot; it makes sense to me since that's the longest point of the lever with bolt fully back. Other than that, there's a fair amount of play between the cylinder/receiver, which makes me wonder if that's exacerbating binding/chatter since there's more space to create a bind as the bolt runs/has more room to run out of parallel with the receiver.

To be fair, Ted and the gang said to send it in and they'd turn it around fast, which is super cool of them. Of course I just want to know where to polish so I don't have to pull the barrel and send it. Maybe it's more than a polish and I don't want to screw any warranty.

Anyone run into this? Is this just inherent of CdG?
That's not inherent to the CDG at all in my experience. They do feel terrible until you get the trigger adjusted but after that they should be running smooth. If you have the trigger adjusted correctly and it's still not right I would take ARC up on the offer to check it out.
 
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Mine isn’t very smooth, but no binding whatsoever, not sure how that’s even possible??
Is your trigger adjusted properly?? Just throwing it out there??

I wouldn’t hesitate to send it in, especially if they said to….
That's not inherent to the CDG at all in my experience. They do feel terrible until you get the trigger adjusted but after that they should be running smooth. If you have the trigger adjusted correctly and it's still not right I would take ARC up on the offer to check it out.
Trigger is fine. The chatter and binding is all happening when running the bolt forward into battery. It’s the opposing surfaces between the bolt cylinder and receiver.

I suppose the reason I asked if it were inherent to this action is because I never got any pushback or suggestions from ARC, which made me wonder if it were an ongoing thing.

I’ll try to make a video later in slowmo so you can see it. Def hard to actually see, it’s all in the feel.
 
I suppose the reason I asked if it were inherent to this action is because I never got any pushback or suggestions from ARC, which made me wonder if it were an ongoing thing.

Probably because they didn't want you fucking with it potentially making it worse. Everyone's skills are at different levels and I'd assume everyone is Bubba with a grinding wheel. If it was inherent, they wouldn't offer to look at it.
 
I lightly oil the bolt, place grease in the obvious spots (bolt lugs, cocking ramps) and then place a very small dab of grease on my finger tip and wipe the grease on the interior of the action behind the bolt cut (both sides of sear and along the top). This is after thoroughly cleaning the interior of the action. I find this makes the action buttery smooth. As an aside I saw a video where the owner stated he doesn’t believe in tight tolerances in regards to bolt/action fit.
 
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I lightly oil the bolt, place grease in the obvious spots (bolt lugs, cocking ramps) and then place a very small dab of grease on my finger tip and wipe the grease on the interior of the action behind the bolt cut (both sides of sear and along the top). This is after thoroughly cleaning the interior of the action. I find this makes the action buttery smooth. As an aside I saw a video where the owner stated he doesn’t believe in tight tolerances in regards to bolt/action fit.
I’ve done all of that.

I’d imagine the tolerances are as such for field use- dust debris. I shoot PRS so I get that.

Gonna pull it and send it in when I have a gap in matches.
 
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The chatter and binding is all happening when running the bolt forward into battery. It’s the opposing surfaces between the bolt cylinder and receiver.
Sounds a bit like my multiple copies of CZ 527 mini-mauser actions. For that action, talented tinkerers have somewhat fixed that issue but I never had any luck. Only notice it when cycling actual rounds and not during dry fire. Usually pushing the back of the bolt helps a lot.

But you shouldn’t have to do that stuff to a CDG.
 
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