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Just reviewed the SWFA web site and they show a SSA with a Badger mount/ring set and the Leupold Commemorative scope (expand the photo.) Does this mean that the mounts they have available will fit the SSA?
http://swfa.com/images/USMC_Scope_Mounted_M40_1500x.jpg
I'm going to send them an email. Badger's web site doesn't show this mount, at all.
And one more...
Yes, what SWFA has will fit the SSA. It is a short base. The base has flat head screws. The rings have allen screws. BTW, the tolerances on these rings are spot on. All you have to do is seat the scope in the bottom rings like you want it. It is a tight fit so be careful with the windage screws (make sure they are centered). Tightening down the top rings only needs about 15 lbs of torque and they will sit flush with the bottom half of the rings. Once that is done torque down the windage screws being careful to keep it as centered as possible. The windage correction on my first shot @100 yards was like only a couple of inches. That was with a new Leupold Rifleman scope. See attached images for Badger base sold through SWFA on a SSA rifle.
One of the attached images shows the second hole in the rear to accommodate the longer Redfield base.
Nicely done aurOra145!!
Couple of Q's:
1.) Who did your metal preparation and parkerizing job?
2.) Did you bed your action yet?
3.) When do you plan on starting your M40A1?
Looking forward to your range report!!
1.) I took a quick picture that turned out great. It hasn't been parked yet. Once I shoot this barrel out, I'll get it parkerized.
2.) Haven't bedded it yet. I'm going to take it out this weekend and see how it performs (god willing) and decide from those results.
3.) I've looked at a M40A1; but, the scope is prohibitive to me on cost. Instead, I'm eying a Lee Enfield No4 Mk1T for my next project. Granted, I was just selected by the US Navy to be a Student Navy Flight Officer, so my life will bend to the governments will. Pretty much I deem my rifle building life will take a hiatus until I get a real duty station after training. I've wanted to join the military ever since I was a kid and getting selected for a SNFO slot has been a dream come true. I've read stories about Midway, Leyte Gulf and the submarine campaign in the Pacific since middle school. I'm honored that they would select me to join the ranks of Naval Officers. I've experienced a lot of high emotions in the last two months, from getting selected to having my best friend qualify at 1,000yds at our local range. I cherish the time I've spent with my friends and it's even better that most of it revolves around the pursuit for marksmanship.
When I first got to college; in the first week I was in school I bought my first rifle that was really truly mine (first one I bought and wasn't given to me.) It was a Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* made by Savage. That rifle followed me everywhere and I taught a great deal of people how to shoot with that rifle. I think it's only fair to pursue a No4 Mk1T at this point. Plus MJ1 doesn't help out with discouraging the pursuit for Enfield sniper rifles. This website without a doubt has improved my marksmanship and I have passed that on to to others. KraigWY comes to mind when talking about marksmanship as does a litany of others.
All of you, culpepper, bolt_trash, tokiwartooth, and others have all attributed to my project. I just hope that I can further the cause of marksmanship in my generation from what I have learned from all of you.
Cheers sirs, for you will forever have a lasting impact on my life.
-Aur0ra145
Whats Up Brother? Want to stir it up more? That scope was a Redfield Royal, how many times has anyone seen that mentioned?
1.) I took a quick picture that turned out great. It hasn't been parked yet. Once I shoot this barrel out, I'll get it parkerized.
2.) Haven't bedded it yet. I'm going to take it out this weekend and see how it performs (god willing) and decide from those results.
3.) I've looked at a M40A1; but, the scope is prohibitive to me on cost. Instead, I'm eying a Lee Enfield No4 Mk1T for my next project. Granted, I was just selected by the US Navy to be a Student Navy Flight Officer, so my life will bend to the governments will. Pretty much I deem my rifle building life will take a hiatus until I get a real duty station after training. I've wanted to join the military ever since I was a kid and getting selected for a SNFO slot has been a dream come true. I've read stories about Midway, Leyte Gulf and the submarine campaign in the Pacific since middle school. I'm honored that they would select me to join the ranks of Naval Officers. I've experienced a lot of high emotions in the last two months, from getting selected to having my best friend qualify at 1,000yds at our local range. I cherish the time I've spent with my friends and it's even better that most of it revolves around the pursuit for marksmanship.
When I first got to college; in the first week I was in school I bought my first rifle that was really truly mine (first one I bought and wasn't given to me.) It was a Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* made by Savage. That rifle followed me everywhere and I taught a great deal of people how to shoot with that rifle. I think it's only fair to pursue a No4 Mk1T at this point. Plus MJ1 doesn't help out with discouraging the pursuit for Enfield sniper rifles. This website without a doubt has improved my marksmanship and I have passed that on to to others. KraigWY comes to mind when talking about marksmanship as does a litany of others.
All of you, culpepper, bolt_trash, tokiwartooth, and others have all attributed to my project. I just hope that I can further the cause of marksmanship in my generation from what I have learned from all of you.
Cheers sirs, for you will forever have a lasting impact on my life.
-Aur0ra145
Just reviewed the SWFA web site and they show a SSA with a Badger mount/ring set and the Leupold Commemorative scope (expand the photo.) Does this mean that the mounts they have available will fit the SSA?
http://swfa.com/images/USMC_Scope_Mounted_M40_1500x.jpg
I'm going to send them an email. Badger's web site doesn't show this mount, at all.
Yes, that is what I have mounted on the SSA. What you have pictured there. "Alpha/numeric S/N only" The older Redfield, long and short, bases fit it as well. I have mounted all three at different times. The rear has two holes for the mount. One for short base and one for long base.
What does this have to do with the SSA rifle?
Nice rifle! And good work on the stock
I cant agree with the Silver Hill being the 'best' profile out there. Everyone that got one of these stocks had to put hours and hours of work on it. I dont consider this as being 'the best'. I personally got one last year, and it was awful. Far from being a M40 clone stock. No saying its not a good product, but its not the best. Most people were lucky because they have basic woodworking skills. If looking a 100% drop-in stock, dont get a Silver Hill. It wont fit, period. And its not finished. You have to buy some oil, supplies and whatnot to actually have a stock that ressembles a M40.
The Numrich stock is the closest. It is a perfect fit since it is actually a Remington product. That stock was used for the mid-80's police rifle. I dont think police departments had woodworkers fitting stocks to barreled action.
If lucky, one can find a plain ADL stock on eBay. No checkering, metal buttplate, heavy barrel channel (can be opened up if not).
What are you doing? We've established it fits the SSA but the SSA has nothing to do with "current production" Remington Model 700s Mr. McMahon is referring to so your quotations are misleading. As for the ring srews? I fail to understand why it is even relevant. I'm not going to take out a mounted screw to see if a fifty year old Redfield screw will work in its place. The information would be useless. Nobody is going to interchange Redfield screws on the Badger rings and vice versa.
Yes the dove tails are interchangeable since it is just a copy of an original.
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The only advantage that Badger has over a commercial set is the Badger has tighter tolerances. It is true out of the box. It would be extremely easy for someone that doesn't know to crush the side of the scope with the base windage screws or if the scope is slightly crooked it would put undue stress on the scope and possibly break something inside. Putting commericial redfield rings on this base would be defeating the purpose. Badger obtained a set for the USMC and reproduced it. It is a latter set for the M40. It may have even been on an early M40A1 for all I know. As for Redfield, they simply left any markings on it completely sterile. The Badger base has a little more MOA but so does the later Redfield bases.
Like I previously mentioned, Rob with Silverhill is aware and has corrected the problem. I just received my replacement stock and had the barreled action in place in less than a half hour. Now just need to send the barreled action off to get it Cerakote'd.
Culpeper, I noted your previous enthusiasm with the 'dead-nuts' tolerances of the Badger mount and rings and your logic, that there is no substantive value in substituting the Badger rings, given their level of precision and fit, can't really be questioned. Looks to me, like the SWFA Badger M40 mount, is in my immediate future.
Seems I have a parts surplus...
Redfield 'Patent Date' 722 Mounts, Deep Blued Finish, Complete w/screws (X2)
Redfield 'Patent Date' 721 Mount, Deep Blued Finish Complete w/screws (X1)
Redfield 700SA, Deep Blued Finish w/ Traditional Logo (X1)- sorry, no screws (X1)
Redfield 700-SA, Matte Finish, Complete w/TORX screws and solo 'R' stamp (X1)
Redfield 4 Screw LOW scope ring set, Deep Blued Finish w/ Slotted Screws and 1"-64 stamps (X1)
Redfield 4 Screw LOW scope ring set Deep Blued Finish w/ TORX screws and no markings (X1) -and-
A fine pair of early Redfield rings (Wide and Thin pairing - I.D. @ .975") LOW, Blued Finish (X1)
What to do, what to do??
Cool. Tungsten color?
Well....that seems to be the million dollar question. They have a "Sniper Gray" that matches the M40a1 I used to carry, but I've never looked at an M40 to judge the color. Since my build is an original '68 rifle, I figured I would leave the bottom metal the factory matte black (I thought I read somewhere that's the correct color). That leaves the barreled action, butt plate, and bolt.
Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions??
Thanks
If Im out of line please dont boot me...lol. Just let me know.
Thanks!
Well....that seems to be the million dollar question. They have a "Sniper Gray" that matches the M40a1 I used to carry, but I've never looked at an M40 to judge the color. Since my build is an original '68 rifle, I figured I would leave the bottom metal the factory matte black (I thought I read somewhere that's the correct color). That leaves the barreled action, butt plate, and bolt.
Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions??
Thanks
Get out of here!!
As we all know, the M40 have quite a bit of green in the parkerized finish. I wonder if a Cerakote with a shade of green would be closer. I was thinking:
ACU Green
Item: H-260Q
Description: Dark greenish grey
Mil Spec Green
Item: H-264Q
Description: Dark olive drab green
Dark Green
Item: H-131Q
Description: A dark green.
Sniper Green
Item: H-229Q
Description: A dark green.
Benchmade OD Green
Item: H-233Q
Description: A forest green with a matte finish - 2.0 gloss units at a 60 degree angle
Green Beret Green
Item: H-251Q
Description:A very dark, almost black green.
Most gunsmiths wont do 'old school' parkerizing. Ban on specific chemicals... I heard you can get that greenish hue by soaking the parts in diesel fuel or molasse... Old wive's tales I guess, nobody dare soaking a newly built rifle in diesel!!
Get out of here!!
As we all know, the M40 have quite a bit of green in the parkerized finish. I wonder if a Cerakote with a shade of green would be closer. I was thinking:
ACU Green
Item: H-260Q
Description: Dark greenish grey
Mil Spec Green
Item: H-264Q
Description: Dark olive drab green
Dark Green
Item: H-131Q
Description: A dark green.
Sniper Green
Item: H-229Q
Description: A dark green.
Benchmade OD Green
Item: H-233Q
Description: A forest green with a matte finish - 2.0 gloss units at a 60 degree angle
Green Beret Green
Item: H-251Q
Description:A very dark, almost black green.
Most gunsmiths wont do 'old school' parkerizing. Ban on specific chemicals... I heard you can get that greenish hue by soaking the parts in diesel fuel or molasse... Old wive's tales I guess, nobody dare soaking a newly built rifle in diesel!!
Even if diesel fuel was a component, today's diesel fuel has significantly less sulphur. Is sulphur (yellow in color) a critical component?.
Pm sent to ChuckinDenver. He does a lot if park. He's not an M40 builder but does good work on 03 and M1941 rifles. Last rifle I saw of his was a dark park which leads me to believe his experiments were not successful.
Mesa, thanks for all the color suggestions. I'll have to give them all a look-see. I've heard from a couple sources that Kedron at Modern Tactical blends his own colors and is a genius with Cerakote accurately matching most vintage military colors. They have a great video on their process as well. Of course I can't say first hand, but once I get my barreled action back, I'll definitely be posting pics regardless of the outcome.
I've also attached a link to Alternative Firearm Coating's color simulator. It gives you a pretty good idea of colors.
Gun Finish Gun Coating refinishing services by Alternative Gun Coatings
Noticed SilverHill raised the price of their M40 stocks on Gunbroker....
I just wanted to post an update for my build. I've got the metal 99% inletetted and am ready to send the barrel/receiver for coating. This project is so close now I can feel the trigger break!
You're almost there! Nice work . Is it me or the barrel looks thicker than the standard Rem Varmint profile?
Here is one of the M700 I had built this last fall by Ssgt. Hahn at PWS....Picked it up from him in Feb. Came out beautiful. Yes the parkerizing on the receiver is a little darker than the original take off barrel. The darkness is enhanced a little in the picture by shadows and lighting. Not as dark as it appears in the pic. It was originally built with the Green contract scope (which has a pretty interesting and cool story about it in its self) but I removed it for another build that is just about complete as well. Replaced it with the black satin gen2. Picked up the original black satin Gen2 in a little bartering/horse trading from a good friend and Hide member.
-Original Black Satin Gen2 Redfield Acu Range 3X9 (with tombstone)
-Original M700 take off barrel date stamp Oct. 66
-Six Digit Clip slotted action
-Original Redfield 40X (marked) base with 4 screw 1-64 stamped low rings
-513T sling swivels
-Original Aluminum Butt Plate fitted to the stock
-Silver Hill Stock (30+ hrs of wood removal done. Exterior and inletting. Over 1/2 inch of overall circumference removed from the end off the forend to the receiver and 1/4" removed from the receiver to the buttplate). Receiver bedded with Basonite as they were done in the 60's. Receiver had to be bedded in order for it to be shootable.
Overall t came out beautiful.
Have another just about finished. Same specs as above except will be in an original Vietnam M700 take off/return stock and the Green contract Redfield.
Pics of the build in progress...
Here is one of the M700 I had built this last fall by Ssgt. Hahn at PWS....Picked it up from him in Feb. Came out beautiful. Yes the parkerizing on the receiver is a little darker than the original take off barrel. The darkness is enhanced a little in the picture by shadows and lighting. Not as dark as it appears in the pic. It was originally built with the Green contract scope (which has a pretty interesting and cool story about it in its self) but I removed it for another build that is just about complete as well. Replaced it with the black satin gen2. Picked up the original black satin Gen2 in a little bartering/horse trading from a good friend and Hide member.
-Original Black Satin Gen2 Redfield Acu Range 3X9 (with tombstone)
-Original M700 take off barrel date stamp Oct. 66
-Six Digit Clip slotted action
-Original Redfield 40X (marked) base with 4 screw 1-64 stamped low rings
-513T sling swivels
-Original Aluminum Butt Plate fitted to the stock
-Silver Hill Stock (30+ hrs of wood removal done. Exterior and inletting. Over 1/2 inch of overall circumference removed from the end off the forend to the receiver and 1/4" removed from the receiver to the buttplate). Receiver bedded with Basonite as they were done in the 60's. Receiver had to be bedded in order for it to be shootable.
Overall t came out beautiful.
Have another just about finished. Same specs as above except will be in an original Vietnam M700 take off/return stock and the Green contract Redfield.
Pics of the build in progress...