NEW From Zermatt Arms - RimX Actions

[RAVAGE88]

One of these guys won the NRL22 match last weekend with his Vudoo, he didn't have any problems, so there's more truth just to show I'm not being mean or picking on Vudoo.

But he sure as hell wasn't winning anything when his Vudoo was malfunctioning before he sent it back and that was a chambering problem.

I and others saw the problem first hand.

He bought the BA brand new BTW.

TRUTH

Truth is all around us and I addressed this above. We are also the ones that pre-emptively sent out emails to our customers after noticing a reamer manufacturing issue to inform customers that they could possibly have a problem, so like I said, relevant context is the part of your "truth" that's being left out. We paid to bring rifles back if they were affected. If you want to shake the truth stick, I'll go down that path with you....

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

By the same token I can't be biased for any Co except Anschutz since I haven't owned a RimX or Vudoo. However I don't know anyone personally that owns a RimX.

This speaks volumes....

MB

 

[steve123]

It's all about relevant context Steve. Might you know how many rifles/barreled actions we pay to ship to us that all they require is proper cleaning or proper installation into a stock or chassis? I'm not saying we've not had small issues, but we deal with them and most times we're ahead of it. Anyone that's actually dealt with us through things like this already know that dealing with an issue is as simple as reaching out.

MB

I'd go crazy if I had to deal with all the variables involved which is the position you are in. I can only imagine the pain and joys in your journey.

I also think Vudoo is a great Co that sells top of the line products.

I'm also ecstatic Vudoo exists.

I even like you as a person here in the forum and how you handle yourself in most instances. It must be friggen emotionally exhausting.

But that doesn't change what I saw first hand. It is what it is.

I already know the one friend's Vudoo is dialed in after sending it back, so that's resolved.

The other guy sold his so....

I have a text sent off to the last guy because I want to get the story down from his perspective. I doubt if I'll share it here though.

 

[steve123]

This speaks volumes....

MB

I already stated that Anschutz isn't perfect, or for that matter any product, and I've owned 6 of them. Heck, here's more truth, there's a lot of 64's that need Hellbenders fix to eject cases properly.
The 10 round mags aren't "all that".
And the mag holder system can go out of adjustment.

LOL, great, just great, now the Anschutz 64 fanboys are going to come here and say no, no way, "I" haven't had any problems with my 64.

 

[steve123]

Truth is all around us and I addressed this above. We are also the ones that pre-emptively sent out emails to our customers after noticing a reamer manufacturing issue to inform customers that they could possibly have a problem, so like I said, relevant context is the part of your "truth" that's being left out. We paid to bring rifles back if they were affected. If you want to shake the truth stick, I'll go down that path with you....

MB

Awesome!!!

You did good! That's all a Co can do is stand behind their imperfect products.

Like I stated, nothing is perfect.

TRUTH

 

[RAVAGE88]

I'd go crazy if I had to deal with all the variables involved which is the position you are in. I can only imagine the pain and joys in your journey.

I also think Vudoo is a great Co that sells top of the line products.

I'm also ecstatic Vudoo exists.

I even like you as a person here in the forum and how you handle yourself in most instances. It must be friggen emotionally exhausting.

But that doesn't change what I saw first hand. It is what it is.

I already know the one friend's Vudoo is dialed in after sending it back, so that's resolved.

The other guy sold his so....

I have a text sent off the last guy because I want to get the story down from his perspective. I doubt if I'll share it here though.

Ok, whatever....not sure where you're going with this or why you're in a RimX thread talking about Vudoo, especially when you've owned neither and have no first-hand experience. I've seen other brands bolts fall apart simply by removing them from the receiver while at a match, but without context, it means nothing to me. A lot like Lebron giving political advice....sign of the times I suppose....

MB

 

[padom]

Alright lets get this thread back on track about the RimX. Take it to PM if you want to continue off topic

 

[steve123]

Okay Padom

 

[b6graham]

I'm a long way from a "noob" Dude....

MB

Not you. The other two.

No beef with you Mike. I see your actions perform flawlessly all the time at local matches.

By the same token. I've never owned a CZ. But I've seen enough issues with certain things to not want to own one.

I run a RimX for several reasons. Mostly because of how Zermatt treats me and other customers. And all my actions work and feel the same.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Not you. The other two.

No beef with you Mike. I see your actions perform flawlessly all the time at local matches.

By the same token. I've never owned a CZ. But I've seen enough issues with certain things to not want to own one.

I run a RimX for several reasons. Mostly because of how Zermatt treats me and other customers. And all my actions work and feel the same.

Gotcha, thanks Dude....sorry if I’m a bit protective of what we’re doing.

RimX is good stuff and they’re good people, so not surprised.

MB

 

[b6graham]

Gotcha, thanks Dude....sorry if I’m a bit protective of what we’re doing.

RimX is good stuff and they’re good people, so not surprised.

MB

All good. As expected.

I'll still give Mead and Delude a hard time (when they show up to matches)

 

[RAVAGE88]

All good. As expected.

I'll still give Mead and Delude a hard time (when they show up to matches)

They probably deserve it....

Mead was just by here earlier today....

MB

 

[nesikabay]

I covered this in the response:

"...
We know that within the custom action and firearm industry there are thousands of options for stocks, barrels, triggers, etc. for people to choose from and utilize on their individual system. We don't offer barreled actions or full rifle systems for the simple reason that there are too many choices for all the other components and how they're produced. We have had success with this model in the past with our center fire actions so we maintained that model when designing and producing our rim fire actions. A lot of people want a unique rifle system so we give them that option. There's nothing wrong with controlling variables by offering a limited amount of variations, but that isn't our model so we don't do that.
..."

Ultimately, our core competency is building actions. We've been so busy with that task over that past few years that there's not been a need for us to attempt to become a sole source for rifle systems. Not to mention, there are a lot of small shops across the country that benefit from us not offering barreled actions, rifle systems or even just barrels. If we become the one stop shop, we can negatively impact our dealers that have been loyal to us over the years. Taking the sale of a barrel or a trigger or a stock away from them would likely force them to drop our product all together which isn't good for any of the businesses involved. We trust in a lot of these shops to produce quality products for our end users and offer them at a reasonable price with solid support of the systems. Some are better than others and that's why there's a public forum for people to share their experiences with those shops.

If company A does something different than company B but they're both producing high quality products and satisfied customers, should either company change their model to reflect the other's? There's a reason we all exist and it's because this is a free market where we're left (mostly) to decide how we do things on our own. That's the beauty of our country, let's keep it that way.

You did not answer my me . Do you build complete 22s. Or do you only sell actions for the gunsmith to figure out

 

[Zermatt Arms]

You did not answer my me . Do you build complete 22s. Or do you only sell actions for the gunsmith to figure out

No, we do not sell rifle systems.

 

[nesikabay]

So what you are saying as far as you rimeX action your to busy building to worry about the feeding and other issues

 

[Dthomas3523]

So what you are saying as far as you rimeX action your to busy building to worry about the feeding and other issues

Stop it.

 

[nesikabay]

Vudoo stands behind what they send out. Sounds like you send out an action that is the buyers problem when they get it.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Vudoo stands behind what they send out. Sounds like you send out an action that is the buyers problem when they get it.

As stated, it’s a different business model. One company makes rifles and barreled actions. The other makes parts. This is common in the industry and some prefer to just buy an action as a part.

Stop framing it in ways that appear adversarial and negative. You know how the industry works and you know what you’re doing here.

 

[nesikabay]

Stop it.

Ok im out

 

[Browninglover1]

Vudoo stands behind what they send out. Sounds like you send out an action that is the buyers problem when they get it.

Zermatt stands behind their products. I had a simple question about my RimX and they responded immediately with follow-up questions and sent me a new part to see if it would help solve the occasional ejection issue. They have even reached out to me unsolicited on social media to help diagnose a problem I was having with a rifle I had built off one of their old centerfire actions. Their customer service is second to none and I would buy any of the products they sell with full confidence. Take your trolling elsewhere.

 

[Zermatt Arms]

Vudoo stands behind what they send out. Sounds like you send out an action that is the buyers problem when they get it.

If you have an issue, you can contact us with your problems. Like we've stated COUNTLESS times in this threads and all across this forum, we're always happy to help people that have trouble with anything involving our products. Call, email, send a direct message. Do whatever makes you most comfortable to get assistance, but don't act like we won't help you without ever asking for it.

We've NEVER left someone high and dry like your insinuating.

If you've got a problem with us as a company, fine. Move on and stop spreading bullshit like you currently are.

 

[parshal]

I've called multiple times and Ray was on the phone in minutes. Same with Aaron. They've sent me parts free and immediately.

 

[jbell]

I've called multiple times and Ray was on the phone in minutes. Same with Aaron. They've sent me parts free and immediately.

Same here.

 

[jbell]

I personally feel like Zermatt has excellent customer service as does VGW. I have said it before and will say it again we are definitely in the good old days of precision rimfire and we have companies like Zermatt and Vudoo to thank for that. I say this from well over 20 years of chasing the precision rimfire repeater thing. I have spent a shit load of cash and a lot of sleepless nights working on a platform that was half baked or a hodgepodge of components trying to get them sorted out so they would function with NOBODY to call for help. Now these companies have us all spoiled and expecting perfection in every way, which they deliver more time than not and when things are not 100% they never hesitate to do everything they can to make it right. You can’t ask for more IMO...

 

[steve123]

Ok, whatever....not sure where you're going with this or why you're in a RimX thread talking about Vudoo, especially when you've owned neither and have no first-hand experience. I've seen other brands bolts fall apart simply by removing them from the receiver while at a match, but without context, it means nothing to me. A lot like Lebron giving political advice....sign of the times I suppose....

MB

Just one last reply please Padom.

The "context" was - Nesikabays quote "But Zermatt won't make a barreled action", he was assumedly hoping for reliability just because of having a barreled action.
In hindsight I should have quoted Nesika to avoid confusion. Sorry about that.

I implied in my first post, "NO" having a BA isn't a perfect solution either, then giving examples that were seen with my own eyes.

Those of us in the know, from reading all these threads, grasp the fact that there are many variables involved in tuning these platforms to work correctly. Just one variable being off can cause problems. Sure a guy can bolt everything together and stand a good chance of a having a great running rifle, BUT.....

RimX or VGW will either work reliably or they won't, the best solution in my mind is to send it off to a GS specializing in either platform if there are any problems.

My post was NOT an attack, even though you took it that way! Heck if I was in your shoes I wouldn't be happy about what I stated either. It was however 100% truthful reporting, regardless of context. And for damn sure wasn't my fault these problems happened, right??!!

Since I don't own either platform I cannot be accused of being biased either way. This is why I stated that I don't own either action.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Offering a barreled action doesn’t have anything to do with feeding. It has to do with knowing the rifle will perform in a precision manner.

Many centerfire gunsmiths aren’t well versed in Rimfire and a consumer just buying a Rimfire action needs to understand that.

Feeding issues in either Rimfire or centerfire generally happen when the consumer just bolts the action or barreled action into a chassis and then needs to tweak things but in their mind it should just work.

The only time any company should be on the hook for feeding is if they built the complete rifle.

 

[Dthomas3523]

This is for discussing Zermat’s RimX. Take anything else to appropriate thread, make a new thread, or Pm.

Thanks

 

[Shifty6BR]

 

[Browninglover1]

I put the KSS tuner on and went to shoot a bit yesterday. SK match is doing pretty well for me, especially for the price.

 

[Arkansan]

Has anyone else experienced what I would call "heavy" primer strikes, resulting in misfires that when chambered in another rifle fire consistently? I have gotten some good advice from Ray and hopefully have a cure, but won't know for sure til I get the barreled action to my gunsmith next week.

 

[Arkansan]

Can someone post pics, hard for me to figure out, will be getting my RimX soon and installing in a AI Chassis and I don't want to mess it up.

As far as the radius on the chamber edge it's hard to comparatively make out by eye. But here's some pics.
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Here's a link to a short video of a RimX picking up a round properly. I'm running the bolt very slowly and lightly so it looks rough. Its not but if you know what you're looking for it depicts all the minute points where the round is exiting the feed lips, entering the chamber, shifting horizontal in between the chamber and bolt face...

 

[Arkansan]

Thanks for posting. I have sent the pics and links to my local gunsmith. This will be a new area to work on for him, but he has done excellent work for me in the past and the info will be very useful. I have a 52D reamer he will use to recut my chamber since I won't be shooting Lapua and am optomistic that he will be able to correct the problems I'm experiencing. Once complete and if all goes well, I will post more info. Once the barrel is pulled tomorrow, I will take some before pictures.

 

[scotty2hotty]

I would say Lapua X-Act shot the best, RWS R50 Sounded louder through suppressor. Very little wind, usually R50 shoots better , but this time it didn't. It seems the RimX and my shooting I am am getting consistant .250" groups +/- across all ammo except for the X-Act.

Front Atlas Bipod, Rim-X Benchmark 3-groove, 20" Sitting concrete table, Homemade rear bag. SIghtron SIII SFP Scope. About 43 F out. Cloudy.

 

[Arkansan]

Problem solved. Thanks to the info provided by Reubenski to clearly show what a properly cut chamber should look like, my gunsmith was able to complete the job in record time (1 day turnaround). The primer strikes are clear, no case malformation, and no misfires. The 52D chamber is doing a nice job of engraving the slugs and I'm optomistic accuracy will be excellent based on the history this chamber has. A big thanks to Bob and Dennis at 2 Feathers Sports in Yellville, AR for a great job. Anyone looking for similar work, Bob says they are ready to do more. They previously rechambered and recontoured a couple of 6Brx's for me to 6BR and did great work.

 

[drglock]

My smith sent me a teaser pic today. It’s chambered, cut to length and crowned. Tomorrow it’s getting ceracoated then engraved and test fired. Hopefully I’ll pick it up this weekend.

 

[Arkansan]

Has anyone used a gauge to sort and see if accuracy can be enhanced? Now that I have my "baby" back, I will see if there are any benefits. I bought this gauge years ago and it is pretty straightforward. Probably for someone shooting a thousand rounds a month, not worth the effort, but something to tinker with.

 

[Arkansan]

Finally got everything together, my 6BR in now officially a Rimx. MDT HS3 with attachments. Next is to get my guy to chamber my Krieger barrel. Just need to decide on length.

 

[nesikabay]

Finally got everything together, my 6BR in now officially a Rimx. MDT HS3 with attachments. Next is to get my guy to chamber my Krieger barrel. Just need to decide on length.

They say a sucker born every day

 

[Schütze]

They say a sucker born every day

That may be soo, take a look in the mirror and you see at least one!

 

[Kisssofdeath]

Dang, lol he got banned again. His 2nd or 3rd time? Hope he's not gone for good, he's kinda funny sometimes.

 

[Mk32784]

Finally got my XLR Chassis, RimX with the 18inch GM barrel from keystone. Shoots great, no issues with feeding.

 

[chrome]

*finally* got the RimX out to the range today. Pretty impromptu trip and forgot my rear bag. Put about 150rds of Center-X through it. Even without the rear bag, grouped really well @ 100yds.

Unfortunately out of 150 rds, we had around 6 malfunctions. Roughly 4rds FTE, and 3 failure to fire (primer strike but no ignition).

Not what anyone would want out of this setup out of the gates but not too worried, will give it a few more hundred rounds and report back.

 

[Arkansan]

They say a sucker born every day

Guess we will see. The rechambered barrel is functioning flawlessly. This "sucker" is very pleased with his choice. Would love to see what "an expert" uses so I can upgrade from "sucker" status. I am assuming from your previous comments regarding this system that you are indeed "an expert"

 

[Shifty6BR]

They say a sucker born every day

 

[Baracuda22]

Hellow folks, just a quick question I HAVE NEW BARREL FROM KEYSTONE WITH THEIR NEW MATCH VERSION CHAMBER FOR RIM-X.NOW I TRY MY MANSON NO GO GAUGE 22LR THE BOLT CLOSE WITH ROUGH MOTION.THEN I TRY THE RIM-X NO GO GAUGE THE BOLT IS NOT CLOSING AT ALL. now i am still safe if i follow the zermatt no go gauge? also DO YOU RECOMMEND THE MANSON GAUGE OR THE RIM-X GAUGE for checking headspace of this situation? Thank you

 

[Raufoss]

RimX gauge

 

[Bmwe36as]

I put the KSS tuner on and went to shoot a bit yesterday. SK match is doing pretty well for me, especially for the price.

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How did your tuning process go? I'm in the process of figuring out a tune and am having a hard time fixing my groups out 220+ yds.

 

[Kisssofdeath]

I put the KSS tuner on and went to shoot a bit yesterday. SK match is doing pretty well for me, especially for the price.

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When you say KSS Tuner, which one are you talking about?

 

[Bmwe36as]

When you say KSS Tuner, which one are you talking about?

hes talking about this one.

Adaptive Tuning System (ATS) - Competition Model (Tapered) – KineticSecuritySolutions

 

[Kisssofdeath]

hes talking about this one.

Adaptive Tuning System (ATS) - Competition Model (Tapered) – KineticSecuritySolutions

Thanks for the link. Wish I hadn't said anything, now I want one. Especially after using the Harrell tuner and seeing first hand how good they work. I like this one because I can also use my Sparrow. I'd also be very interested in seeing what results are to be had with this ATS tuner.