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Anyone local interested let me know.
Anyone local interested let me know.
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I met with Representative Jinkins (D) (House Judiciary Chair) to ask that she schedule HB 1561, the SBR bill for a hearing. She was not inclined to do so as she was only going to hear the bkgd check bill and the safe gun storage bill. She preferred that the Senate bill, HB 5956 to pass the from the Senate to the House where she might give it a hearing.
Senator Hatfield (D) prime sponsored HB 5956 and today talked Senator Padden into scheduling it for a hearing in the Senate Law and Justice committee. It should happen next Wednesday or Friday. If you can be there, please show up and sign up to support the bill. It would be nice to have several dozen people sign up.
It is important that we have police officers show up to support the bill. While police are allowed to possess SBR's while on duty, the law prohibits a police officer from purchasing an SBR for use as a duty firearm or training with it while off duty. Jinkins told me last week she had not heard anything at all from the law enforcement community about the SBR bill. This needs to change.
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Senator Hatfield (D) prime sponsored HB 5956 and today talked Senator Padden into scheduling it for a hearing in the Senate Law and Justice committee. It should happen next Wednesday or Friday. If you can be there, please show up and sign up to support the bill. It would be nice to have several dozen people sign up.
It is important that we have police officers show up to support the bill. While police are allowed to possess SBR's while on duty, the law prohibits a police officer from purchasing an SBR for use as a duty firearm or training with it while off duty. Jinkins told me last week she had not heard anything at all from the law enforcement community about the SBR bill. This needs to change.
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Anyone interested and doing some shooting on Monday the 20th? I would go down to the UNSC but unfortunately I am not a member. I would like to check my zero and pop off a few rounds out to some decent distances but don't know were to go. If anyone was planning on going on Monday Slm9's and I would like to tag along. let me know
Justin
Justin
Justin. I'm a member at capital city down in little rock if you ever need a place to shoot. Unfortunately I can't go Monday. Sunday works though
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The big match in Eastern Washington, in March, and the monthly match at UNSC fall on the same weekend, so attendance at the regular monthly match on March 1 would be understandably reduced. Kevin and I were discussing the possibility of using that match date (01 March 2014) to get new shooters familiarized with the venue, procedures, rules, props, and how the matches are run. This would allow people who have been considering coming out, the chance to try out this type of shooting in a very relaxed environment. There would be more experienced shooters available to help you out, and give tips for those looking for assistance.
Please let me know if anyone has interest in this. If there is sufficient interest, we will change from having a match to having a familiarization event. Attendance at this event would fulfill the requirement of attending the orientation/safety briefing that all first time shooters are required to complete. Match fees are $20, for this event cost would be $15.
We would like to have 5-7 experienced shooters to help out, and limit attendance at this event to 10-15 new shooters. That way, everyone who attends will get a decent chance to shoot some steel, teach, and/or learn.
I will keep track of how many responses we get, and if enough people show interest, we will hold this event in place of the March match. We will announce what we are doing early enough that everyone gets a couple of weeks notice in order to plan accordingly.
Please let me know if anyone has interest in this. If there is sufficient interest, we will change from having a match to having a familiarization event. Attendance at this event would fulfill the requirement of attending the orientation/safety briefing that all first time shooters are required to complete. Match fees are $20, for this event cost would be $15.
We would like to have 5-7 experienced shooters to help out, and limit attendance at this event to 10-15 new shooters. That way, everyone who attends will get a decent chance to shoot some steel, teach, and/or learn.
I will keep track of how many responses we get, and if enough people show interest, we will hold this event in place of the March match. We will announce what we are doing early enough that everyone gets a couple of weeks notice in order to plan accordingly.
Well as of this morning my spot in Acme is locked. I will be heading to the DNR office on Mon to find out what the hell is up...
Jeff, seriously they gated it, did you notice if there was numerous locks on it? Maybe some of our contacts here on the Hide could throw some light on the matter.
I heard the acme spot was a good place. Where is it located? Yeah let us know, I went scouting for spots this weeken and was shutdown by locked gates at all 3 spots.
Guys if anyone is interested I have an IOR 4-14x50 scope for sale, mil/mil, zero stop, secondary point indicator, illuminated, modified mp-8 for reticle, glass is better than most imho, pm me if interested, I got it from Scott Berish two years ago I think. Also have a McMillan A3, Rem 700 SA, pillar bedded, Seekins dBm and SRS installed, adjustable comb and 3way buttplate.
I need my head examined but I want a pvs22
I need my head examined but I want a pvs22
I just happen to take pics of the locking setup. There's a master lock and then levers with room for six separate locks. When I looked only one lever had a lock on it.
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Yeah... No. If you get caught I guarantee you there will be jail time since you're breaking an entry onto government land. There is absolutely zero excuse you can use to explain it away. I wouldn't even leave that comment posted. Comments like that seen by DNR, politicians, or who ever doesn't help our cause, and don't think for a second that they don't have people perusing this site along with others.
Actually according to the posted signs we'd be using our discover passes to spend time on our (public) land. We're just discussing hypothetical solutions to a commercial operation blocking public access to public lands.
Well said Nick! All, I would strongly recommend against trying to get a pirate key for access. You will eventually get caught, and give long range shooters a black eye, and may pay a hefty fine or spend some time in jail.. There may be numerous reasons for the new gate. To list a few, illegal garbage dumping, meth lab, timber theft, soft road conditions, active timber sale in area with valuable logging equipment/ log decks etc.
Do some research and make some phone calls before you do something you may regret... My $0.02 and have a great weekend!
Save that bullshit spin for someone else. That gate is State property and attempting to gain access by means other than authorized permitted use from DNR is illegal. I don't like the limited access anymore than anyone else, but breaking in won't serve but to piss off the State even more and diminish our image to people who we want to help us.
The guy I talked to a few weeks ago said the gate was being put in by one of the timber companies, & is supposed to be locked only when they are actively logging up there. I don't know if that is correct but he knew more about it than anyone else I've talked to. He was running a dozer for said company. That being said I don't know who's gate it is, & the timber company could just leave a trailer full of junk up there to claim they have assets up there, & never unlock the gate. So I'm going to talk to the DNR office in Sedro Wooley next week to get some more info. Maybe with the help of some LEO contacts here I can get access, or at least get a P# to call to find out when the gate will be open again. Driving an hour with a loaded truck just to find a locked gate pissed me off!
I have come to HATE this state. I was going to be in Texas by now making tons of money, but my mom's surgery didn't have the desired outcome, so I'm stuck here.
I have come to HATE this state. I was going to be in Texas by now making tons of money, but my mom's surgery didn't have the desired outcome, so I'm stuck here.
I work with all the 'BEST' locks and key services for the place I work, and in addition to the above warning I would add that the numbers I stamp on lock cores when I make them have nothing to do with the key that opens them. Mentioning a string of numbers and letters to a locksmith in the fashion suggested, would get you noticed... in the wrong way. I know it was a joke, and I chuckled, but it's a little like jokingly stating you're interested in life taking of certain political figures... on the internet... in the end the feds don't laugh. (or maybe they laugh last...? whatever)
I'm not going to break in. That would be stupid. I didn't make it this far being stupid. I took the pics because maybe we can get our own legit lock on there - that's something Jeff could ask the DNR for. There's room for 6 locks and only one on there now.
I would love to have a setup like that. be nice to be able to try things out in a relaxed setting where you can get instruction as well. Also be nice to try out bolt gun vs AR (for me) . So heres 1 person that (assuming im home) would go. Though i think ill be stuck in San Diego still
Jeff I understand your frustration about travel and finding a locked gate, particularly with limited shooting areas/opportunities in Wetstern WA. However it goes without saying, don't go in guns blazing if you meet with someone from DNR (figuratively), and hopefully an amicable solution may be able to be worked out.
I'll check an employee list and see if I know any of the staff from the NW Region office from firefighting, and perhaps I can come up with a managers name for contact.
If successful, I'll PM the information to you. Also, if you can give me a legal description(township range section,/road name, or gps coordinates (via PM) of where the new gate is located, that would help with the research on my end.
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Just thinking out loud here, but what about getting our own group of "activists" together to make things harder for the timber companies? Say legally hiking/biking up to where their equipment is, & taking pictures/documenting oil spills, etc, & turning them in to the EPA. Leave a polite note at the site saying if they didn't close the roads to public access they wouldn't be spending the money in fines to the EPA. I have never seen one of their sites without oil spills, & empty 5gal buckets of oil laying all over. Since they have had many areas closed to public access for years they don't even bother cleaning the sites up any more since there isn't anyone going up there to keep them honest. Sounds dirty to me, but maybe it's time to take the gloves off.
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Match is a 3 gun precision rifle, carbine and handgun competition, in Wenatchee @ the NCW Gun Club 4-12-14.
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You want to go to the EPA about them when you're in a sport that uses lead which they're actively trying to abolish? All you'll end up doing is pissing off a group of guys who are probably in the same sport as us and would otherwise support our efforts. Also... You're not fucking with the State when you do that but instead another mans livelihood and to me that's simply wrong. They have to protect their equipment and well being. Fact is that means using gates which whether they put it there or the State did it's still on STATE property and under their jurisdiction which means any attempt to enter other than with key given with expressed permission is unlawful. You guys want access and change then you have to do it on a State level through the Governor and the State Legislature... Not by attacking the logging industry which gets enough harassment from Liberal jackwagons...
The only way you can get a lock on there is if your a legitimate contractor for the State. I looked heavily into it and spoke with numerous higher-ups at the DNR office. The next step would be to actively petition the Governor and the State Legislature about the limitation of use and how it affects safety as people often go to more populated areas for recreational shooting rather than the more remote areas which also have less impact. You have to somehow convince them why we should be allowed beyond the gates while somehow overcoming their objections to other user safety, vandalism, littering, illegal activities (i.e. drugs), and the EPA breathing down their neck about pollution from lead. It's a tall order and in the current political climate with more pressing issues not an easy one to tackle.
I however can GUARANTEE everyone that if people go in with the attitude of "It's public land, It's my RIGHT, They're worse than us, blah blah blah..." you'll never get past first base.
Actually I never said anything about going to the EPA as a shooter. I do think the timber co's are responsible for as much trash as some of the worst shooters.
Another thought was to see if we can join with the likes of the RMEF, NAHC, etc. Maybe there is a class action we could get going. I'm looking at the area up here in the last several years there were too many roads open to drive up, & a guy could drive to lakes to fish, & spend all day on dirt roads. Now there are exactly 6 USFS roads open. There are HUNDREDS of square miles of "public" lands that have been closed to "public entry". You can't even walk in there any more. Most are closed to "unauthorised vehicles" ,& they will let you walk in, but anywhere you would want to go is many miles from the gate. Not to mention theres no place to park near the gate.This policy has the effect of banning entry to all but the youngest, wealthiest of the population who have the time, & ability to get there. I think we need to band together with others in the hunting, & fishing community to get this policy changed. If we don't do it now our children will grow up in a world where it is unheard of to go camping or hunting or fishing. I have spent nearly half my life camping, hunting, & fishing in this state. Now I only camp during hunting season. I don't fish at all any more, & the hunting opportunities in this state have degraded to the point that my partners, & I have begun to look at other states to hunt rather than give any more money to the WDFW to buy gates with. I will be leaving this sorry state asap anyway once I can get out from under my disabled parent. I would be gone now but for that, & am really looking forward to it.
Another thought was to see if we can join with the likes of the RMEF, NAHC, etc. Maybe there is a class action we could get going. I'm looking at the area up here in the last several years there were too many roads open to drive up, & a guy could drive to lakes to fish, & spend all day on dirt roads. Now there are exactly 6 USFS roads open. There are HUNDREDS of square miles of "public" lands that have been closed to "public entry". You can't even walk in there any more. Most are closed to "unauthorised vehicles" ,& they will let you walk in, but anywhere you would want to go is many miles from the gate. Not to mention theres no place to park near the gate.This policy has the effect of banning entry to all but the youngest, wealthiest of the population who have the time, & ability to get there. I think we need to band together with others in the hunting, & fishing community to get this policy changed. If we don't do it now our children will grow up in a world where it is unheard of to go camping or hunting or fishing. I have spent nearly half my life camping, hunting, & fishing in this state. Now I only camp during hunting season. I don't fish at all any more, & the hunting opportunities in this state have degraded to the point that my partners, & I have begun to look at other states to hunt rather than give any more money to the WDFW to buy gates with. I will be leaving this sorry state asap anyway once I can get out from under my disabled parent. I would be gone now but for that, & am really looking forward to it.
You're talking about USFS roads and the property in discussion I believe is DNR which are two totally different animals. And you might want to watch who you throw stones at when it comes to littering or pollution as commercial fishing isn't any better in some aspects. I'm not even going to ask how you deduced age and wealth having better access because now you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. I get your mad that access is being closed, a lot of us like that area, but blaming everyone else other than the actual responsible party which is the State is retarded. There are plenty of places to camp still and most go to parks, not clear cuts in the middle of DNR land. I find it ironic and sad that you want to blame timber companies for anything Jeff since if it weren't for them clearing areas we'd have no places to shoot on this side to begin with.
Damn Nick. You sure have a way of pissing on peoples leg, & telling yourself its just rain.
First the young, & wealthy are pretty much the ones who can take off the time to hike 15 miles into a lake for a few days to go fishing. Some of us can't physically do that any more.
Where in the hell did you come up with the idea to bring commercial fishing into this.
And in case you haven't a clue, which I see you don't. The timber companies are also the ones who are purchasing huge leases of what was state land & posting it all "No Tresspassing". Miles, & miles of it where 3 generations used to hunt. The state is just as bad for selling the land off in the first place but the timber companies are buying it just to deny access to it. If you don't believe me just look up Western Pacific Timber. They are buying land on this side as well.
As for places to camp. I won't pay money to camp in a cubicle next to a dozen of my "closest" friends when I can go to the end of a road in the middle of nowhere, & park by a stream or something and fish or shoot or hunt.
And yeah I'm pissed. I've been watching the hunting, fishing, & shooting communities in this state quarrel, & bitch, & moan about all these problems for decades. Mostly because of people like you. You constantly take any opposing stance online just to argue with others. You are just argumentative, & obnoxious. This is the second time you've spewed this shit at me, & I'm tired of it.
I don't really care any more. I'll be leaving this state for conservative lands soon. I have other places to shoot they havent closed yet. Just not as convenient.
First the young, & wealthy are pretty much the ones who can take off the time to hike 15 miles into a lake for a few days to go fishing. Some of us can't physically do that any more.
Where in the hell did you come up with the idea to bring commercial fishing into this.
And in case you haven't a clue, which I see you don't. The timber companies are also the ones who are purchasing huge leases of what was state land & posting it all "No Tresspassing". Miles, & miles of it where 3 generations used to hunt. The state is just as bad for selling the land off in the first place but the timber companies are buying it just to deny access to it. If you don't believe me just look up Western Pacific Timber. They are buying land on this side as well.
As for places to camp. I won't pay money to camp in a cubicle next to a dozen of my "closest" friends when I can go to the end of a road in the middle of nowhere, & park by a stream or something and fish or shoot or hunt.
And yeah I'm pissed. I've been watching the hunting, fishing, & shooting communities in this state quarrel, & bitch, & moan about all these problems for decades. Mostly because of people like you. You constantly take any opposing stance online just to argue with others. You are just argumentative, & obnoxious. This is the second time you've spewed this shit at me, & I'm tired of it.
I don't really care any more. I'll be leaving this state for conservative lands soon. I have other places to shoot they havent closed yet. Just not as convenient.
What is your avalibility is to chamber up a barrel? You have any 6mm barrels in stock or would I need to supply my own?
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Lol, Now it's because of people like me? Whatever helps you feel better about the epic temper tantrum you're throwing right now Jeff. By the way... Public Land means it belongs to everyone, not just you and for whatever purpose you deem appropriate.
I believe in order to get a lease there has to be an offering with bid submissions to the highest bidder. I still think we would be better trying to work with the Timber Management companies until we find one willing to allow us as an actual organization to gain access provided we carry insurance, pay a fee, etc. Of course that means Jeff's method of trying to get them in trouble with the EPA probably won't help.
EPA involvement seldom turns out the way people hope. Douglas Ridge gun club near Estacada, Oregon had a former member turn them in for lead deposits, and it was a horrible situation for everyone. Eventually, the national NRA range organization had to get involved, and I don't know how it ever ended up.
Bid submissions with the land going to the highest bidder makes sense. IF there was an area that timber companies and other commercial interests weren't interested in, the competitive bidding couldn't be too bad (I hope). Maybe somewhere with no decent timber, water, and just somewhere where we can see about 1200-1500 yards from areas near the road, so we aren't violating any laws about shooting across roads.
The real question is where do we find notice for accepting bid submissions and does it have to be for timber harvesting or is there other categories. If it has to be for the purpose of harvesting timber only then we probably wouldn't be allowed to even bid. No matter what though we have to be an organized entity which we're not at the moment.
I thought for some reason he did...thought plumber was gun plumber... I'll call Travis I just recall him being real busy.
i have several hundred acres of state owned dnr managed land next to my house here on the kitsap peninsula and the way it works is, there is a dnr resource manager assigned. that resource manager is a single individual, and he is the point of contact for the logging companies who do the logging etc. when they log by my house, he is there every other day or so, to check on them and make sure there arent wood poachers, fire dangers etc. the dnr guy that handles the land by me is a realy prick and in my opinion the dnr does a horrible job at managing forest, but thats from my experience.
your first step is to get the name of the resource manager and give him a call. he will talk to you and will probably answere all your questions. on the land by my house, he allowed adjacent property owners on the state land for wood gathering during the timber sale as long as we had fire extinguishers and some other rules. the resource managers have a lot of leeway and if your friendly to him and tell him you pick up trash, report dumpers etc. carry fire extinguishers, you may get him to allow you to put a lock on the gate and a special "permit" for entry. on their website they say no special permits, but they can do that kind of unnoficially.
the bidding, that im pretty sure is only for harvesting timber, basically the state contracts you to come in, cut and haul the timber by the board feet to the mill. the mill pays the state for the timber and the loggers basically just get the processing fee. if you win one of those bids you are granted access for the sole purpose of cutting and hauling timber.
your first step is to get the name of the resource manager and give him a call. he will talk to you and will probably answere all your questions. on the land by my house, he allowed adjacent property owners on the state land for wood gathering during the timber sale as long as we had fire extinguishers and some other rules. the resource managers have a lot of leeway and if your friendly to him and tell him you pick up trash, report dumpers etc. carry fire extinguishers, you may get him to allow you to put a lock on the gate and a special "permit" for entry. on their website they say no special permits, but they can do that kind of unnoficially.
the bidding, that im pretty sure is only for harvesting timber, basically the state contracts you to come in, cut and haul the timber by the board feet to the mill. the mill pays the state for the timber and the loggers basically just get the processing fee. if you win one of those bids you are granted access for the sole purpose of cutting and hauling timber.
Rotortuner,
That is great info, thanks. About half way through some of the postings, I thought harvesting timber might not need an amount, but they covered that possible loophole. Your idea about contacting the area manager is a really good one, and might be worth looking into. We would need to find out if any of the managers would be friendly to other "outdoors activities" that don't damage the environment that they might consider letting into the area.
Obviously, getting legal access is the way to go. That way, none of us risk loosing our freedom, or our equipment.
I still like the idea of asking the state for maps of areas where there is currently free access. But I'm not sure if they would even entertain providing that information.
That is great info, thanks. About half way through some of the postings, I thought harvesting timber might not need an amount, but they covered that possible loophole. Your idea about contacting the area manager is a really good one, and might be worth looking into. We would need to find out if any of the managers would be friendly to other "outdoors activities" that don't damage the environment that they might consider letting into the area.
Obviously, getting legal access is the way to go. That way, none of us risk loosing our freedom, or our equipment.
I still like the idea of asking the state for maps of areas where there is currently free access. But I'm not sure if they would even entertain providing that information.
I do know that if you want any map from DNR, or BLM you can get them online. Last time I went to the DNR office here looking for a map they told me they don't sell them from the office any more. And the one I did get did not tell you if the area was open, or closed. Just who the property belonged/ is leased to. I still had to drive all over just to find all the gates locked. But they did have a wall sized map in the office. I will talk to them tomorrow. The lady I talked to last time was nice, but uninformative.
It would seem that if they put up gates, someone, somewhere should have a record of where and when the gates were put up. Otherwise, they wouldn't have any idea if the gates are legal, when they should be coming down, and who has access to the gates.
Perhaps the real problem is that they don't want to tell people where all the gates are located.
Perhaps the real problem is that they don't want to tell people where all the gates are located.
I was just referring to the maps. They didn't even show which roads had gates or not. They simply showed a color overlay of property boundaries with different colors for each type of ownership.
I just found a listing with various closures noted...I'll email it to Bigwheels because it is pretty long, and I don't want to irritate Lowlight by using up too much bandwidth by simply putting it all into an open forum.
