Tariffs and ammo prices?

[Old Man with Gun]

You and me both!


Agreed! But as others alreasy stated, this should have already happened. We have screwed ourselves by ever becoming so dependent on these other nations! It may hurt, but it’s time to bring production and strength back to this country. If we don’t do it now, the US is assuredly toast. May not be overnight gone but likely within our time. And that’s no bueno. I think he is trying. I hope he is legit and knows what he is doing. Many are gambling on this being correct.

I think his approach is a big gamble and so far I am not optimistic.

Just remember that there are no ways in a global market to prop up workers in industries that can't compete without raising prices and lowering the standard of living. I want America strong, I also want a F150 for under $100k.

 

[Holliday]

A customer who has become a friend, runs a machine shop in Tennessee. He has gone from plugging along to turning away business, since word came of the Canadian tariffs. He can’t take on any more.

Businesses that were making stuff in Canada are calling him to make it here in the US now to avoid the tariffs.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I think his approach is a big gamble and so far I am not optimistic.

Just remember that there are no ways in a global market to prop up workers in industries that can't compete without raising prices and lowering the standard of living. I want America strong, I also want a F150 for under $100k.

We want the same things, but I don’t see any other options. Americans will never be able to compete with what is essentially slave labor in some of these countries and we must bring production back home somehow or we are really going to be screwed in a decade or so. People have been asleep at the wheel.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

We want the same things, but I don’t see any other options. Americans will never be able to compete with what is essentially slave labor in some of these countries and we must bring production back home somehow or we are really going to be screwed in a decade or so. People have been asleep at the wheel.

Agreed, I'm afraid we will be cancelling our terriffs soon and just be weaker in the end.

If Trump won't back down, I think Congress will block him soon. If not the GOP will get crushed in 2026 and that will end it with Dems in control.

I sure hope I'm wrong and other countries agree to compromise before we have to back down.

 

[oneshot86]

We want the same things, but I don’t see any other options. Americans will never be able to compete with what is essentially slave labor in some of these countries and we must bring production back home somehow or we are really going to be screwed in a decade or so. People have been asleep at the wheel.

I don't think it's that they were asleep at the wheel, those sickos had the bus pointed to the cliff and the throttle mashed

 

[Old Man with Gun]

I don't think it's that they were asleep at the wheel, those sickos had the bus pointed to the cliff and the throttle mashed

I think it is the voters fault. There are no longer any moderate Democrats or Republicans. We don't elect anyone who isn't extreme left or right. No surprise their agendas are extreme and they can't work together.

In my youth the liberal Republican were more liberal than the conservative Democrats and vice versa. Now the parties have no overlap, no common ground.

 

[Flintdog2011]

Will you guys please read a little more about how awful this strategy is. Pretty please, with scotch on top?

Edit: Goddammit, the search won’t link up. Anyway, type tariff into the search bar linked below

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Look, you can worst case all this until you turn blue. Neither you, nor I nor top executives with Fortune 500 companies who grace us with their presence, have any idea how this is all going to shake out. Y’all can prognosticate and war game and read ALL the economic talking heads opinion pieces, but NONE of you know the future. The sky MIGHT fall, but don’t pretend that the status quo was working. At the very least, other countries are already asking to renegotiate with the US.

 

[Flintdog2011]

We should also remember that inflation/increased cost of living will force wages higher that will increase cost of goods increasing cost of living.

The GOP is pushing to increase the debt ceiling by $5T from $36.1T. They are preparing to spend at record levels. They want a huge line of credit without Congress getting to vote on it again or it becomes a news cycle.

So much for fiscal responsibility.

I suppose the free market won’t self regulate this time, like it ALWAYS has when left alone

 

[oneshot86]

I think it is the voters fault. There are no longer any moderate Democrats or Republicans. We don't elect anyone who isn't extreme left or right. No surprise their agendas are extreme and they can't work together.

In my youth the liberal Republican were more liberal than the conservative Democrats and vice versa. Now the parties have no overlap, no common ground.

I think elections have been being electronically stolen for a good bit of time which negates your opinion

 

[The D]

Look, you can worst case all this until you turn blue. Neither you, nor I nor top executives with Fortune 500 companies who grace us with their presence, have any idea how this is all going to shake out. Y’all can prognosticate and war game and read ALL the economic talking heads opinion pieces, but NONE of you know the future. The sky MIGHT fall, but don’t pretend that the status quo was working. At the very least, other countries are already asking to renegotiate with the US.

Political fuckabout like this always has detrimental effects and it always hurts people financially.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I just bought some more stuff. I don’t think we have seen the bottom but I’m hoping I made a good decision today and went ahead and got some positions in. Next week will be interesting opp for those that are not weak at heart and have money to invest.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I just bought some more stuff. I don’t think we have seen the bottom but I’m hoping I made a good decision today and went ahead and got some positions in. Next week will be interesting opp for those that are not weak at heart and have money to invest.

 

[babyguppy]

Making bullets requires Antimony, a metal we mostly get from China.

^ bs
For example, did you know a full metal jacket (FMJ) bullet is just a bullet with a lead core surrounded by a copper jacket?
Just as there are lead alloys, there are copper alloys. Gilding metal is an alloy of copper and zinc.

What are Bullets Made of | Ammunition Depot

From brass to copper, modern ammunition is made with several different materials. Learn what bullets made of in this informational gun blog article.

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Antimony is used for various purposes today, including:

Trigg Minerals+4

• Flame retardants
• Lead-acid batteries
• Semi-conductors
• Solar panels
• Glass manufacturing
• Military technologies (missile guidance systems, night vision equipment, and nuclear weapons)
• Making pigments
• Removing bubbles from glass
• Enhancing renewable energy systems
• Supporting defense systems

 

[Old Man with Gun]

I just bought some more stuff. I don’t think we have seen the bottom but I’m hoping I made a good decision today and went ahead and got some positions in. Next week will be interesting opp for those that are not weak at heart and have money to invest.

Me too, a lot can happen over a weekend and regardless of what Trump is saying, he must be in panic mode right now.

 

[babyguppy]

Not my people, I'm Republican. Just saying it wasn't all roses and by your logic, if he can't control the outcome even when he was president, what guarantees his success this time?
All I'm saying is that he is taking a big gamble and we will pay the price if it fails. Maybe worth it, maybe not, only time will tell.

You aren't Republican, you're about as left as Bernie Sanders

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Why is it that as soon as I make good arguments that get likes, I get attacked by people who have to rely upon labels and school yard insults. I don't need to defend who I am, if you can't come up with an intelligent argument to contribute, go back to posting the propaganda your handler gave you.

 

[LRRPF52]

It is unlikely that the overhead costs for domestic manufacturing will not rise. Even if by some miracle they can get all the raw materials and components at the same cost, they will not be able to increase production without investing. Deciding to make a big investment on the assumption that your sell price will remain high is a risk.

Who wants to get half way into building the new factory to find out the tariff is now reduced or gone.

It may take years to build manufacturing capacity. This not a simple problem with sound bite solutions.

We already have a lot of capacity though. It isn’t like Federal, Winchester, Hornady, etc. have to re-invent the wheel, break ground on virgin property, and start from scratch.

Same with other industries. A lot of them have plants on real estate with a lot of spare room for expansion. If they weren’t already expanding based on betting on the home team, they’re wrong.

People need to permanently shut off the anti-American media full of do-nothing naysayers, reach down into their core, and figure out what it means to be American again.

 

[LRRPF52]

We want the same things, but I don’t see any other options. Americans will never be able to compete with what is essentially slave labor in some of these countries and we must bring production back home somehow or we are really going to be screwed in a decade or so. People have been asleep at the wheel.

The thing that’s crazy is labor costs in China have risen dramatically since US politicians created the environment where our manufacturing was shipped over there, and they kept getting more value added into their system, even if it was for lower-end products in the market that were run out of the US (textiles, toys, small parts, cheap electronics). They also went up because of One Child, where the CCP murdered 100 million female babies, and who knows how many males over 35 years.

Then we have the strategic manufacturing considerations for war time. The US makes more than most people are aware in this space, but due to the modern nature of weapons, we don’t want to be caught in another Pearl Harbor-like event.

This is so much about security on many levels. All is not well, where we can just assume foreign manufacturing will deliver, especially in the event China gets adventurist.

 

[LRRPF52]

I think it is the voters fault. There are no longer any moderate Democrats or Republicans. We don't elect anyone who isn't extreme left or right. No surprise their agendas are extreme and they can't work together.

In my youth the liberal Republican were more liberal than the conservative Democrats and vice versa. Now the parties have no overlap, no common ground.

Who misinforms the voters, then props up fake candidates that are the only ones left to vote for?

The Soviets hijacked Mockingbird out of the gate. Once you realize that, everything starts to fall into place. I remember going to the movies during the Cold War, where the film was preceded by the Flag flying on the screen, and the Star Spangled Banner played as we all stood up with hands over hearts.

Most of what people in the US believe about it is a series of lies from Marxists, who know they can’t force us to become slaves, and have to slowly eradicate our core strengths incrementally, in combination with a highly-effective disinformation campaign that is embedded in our own institutions.

 

[LRRPF52]

Me too, a lot can happen over a weekend and regardless of what Trump is saying, he must be in panic mode right now.

Have you not read any of Trump’s books or seen how he manages people? Go watch an episode of Apprentice. He’s a Queens guy who shakes the table and sees what quality rises to the top, and sends the weak away.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Look, you can worst case all this until you turn blue. Neither you, nor I nor top executives with Fortune 500 companies who grace us with their presence, have any idea how this is all going to shake out. Y’all can prognosticate and war game and read ALL the economic talking heads opinion pieces, but NONE of you know the future. The sky MIGHT fall, but don’t pretend that the status quo was working. At the very least, other countries are already asking to renegotiate with the US.

Yep.

Have you not read any of Trump’s books or seen how he manages people? Go watch an episode of Apprentice. He’s a Queens guy who shakes the table and sees what quality rises to the top, and sends the weak away.

The next few weeks, months, possibly years is certainly going to test this country. It’s not going to be for the weak at heart, that is for sure.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

So where's the bottom?

 

[LRRPF52]

Someone mentioned antimony. Yes, we use antimony as a hardener in lead.

We also have some of the biggest copper mines in the world. We get antimony from China, Belgium, India, and Bolivia.

We used to mine it domestically.

 

[SilentStalkr]

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So where's the bottom?

I suspect this go around it might drop to 26,000-32,000 pts.

 

[748rpilot]

I didn't buy today, maybe should have, but wanted to see how today shook out. I'm planning on putting more positions on next week.

I understand some people, maybe older folks, are beet-red about the markets, but for someone like me, who is fairly young, lives below means, is well employed and sitting on solid cash reserves, these conditions present an incredible buying opportunity.

I can't say I'm not a bit worried about the future, but I feel a bit like, this is either going to work out and we're buying at a steep discount, or we're fucked anyway, as a country.

Edit: I did buy more ammo yesterday though, just in case.

 

[Holliday]

 

[Old Man with Gun]

I didn't buy today, maybe should have, but wanted to see how today shook out. I'm planning on putting more positions on next week.

I understand some people, maybe older folks, are beet-red about the markets, but for someone like me, who is fairly young, lives below means, is well employed and sitting on solid cash reserves, these conditions present an incredible buying opportunity.

I can't say I'm not a bit worried about the future, but I feel a bit like, this is either going to work out and we're buying at a steep discount, or we're fucked anyway, as a country.

Edit: I did buy more ammo yesterday though, just in case.

My only buy was BRK.B because of the cash reserves. I think WB will work this correction like the wizard he is.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Don’t worry @GreenGO Juan, realistic pullback will probably land between 33,000-35,000. Either way, look at it as opportunity.

 

[Holliday]

Could tariffs be a prelude, to abolishing income tax?

 

[Edsel]

Rats.

I really wanted to apply that “In a galaxy far, far, away” effect…

 

[101st]

You won’t find me cheer-leading for any foreign ammo maker over US ones.

Not this guy.

Meanwhile the most common name in London is Muhammad as of 2023.

^^^^^

I couldn't believe it so I googled it and sure as shit.



LRRPF52, Brother you have written IMHO the most prolific specific information in this thread.



My hat is off to you sir.

 

[mosin46]

So the natural response that should have happened already with ammo is more US-based production and manufacturing opportunities for US employees.

The only reason US customers buy foreign-made ammo is because they’ve been under-cutting us on costs, using cheaper labor in Eastern Europe, Mexico, and South Korea.

Combined with anti-gun traitors who also happen to be on Russian and Chicom bribery payroll over the past several generations, there has been a concerted effort to suppress US ammunition-manufacturing capacity.

Look at Council for a Livable World and all the US politicians they have helped get elected illegally with foreign influence. Every one of them reads like a who’s-who of anti-gun, anti-2A legislators.

This whole things is so much bigger than trade. The ammunition industry is a microcosm of a lot of it.

would be interested in your take on the rifle scope world. i don't mean holographics,red dots etc don't use them. seems to me that that industry is a quite fragmented area of the trade issue.

 

[clcustom1911]

I just bought some more stuff. I don’t think we have seen the bottom but I’m hoping I made a good decision today and went ahead and got some positions in. Next week will be interesting opp for those that are not weak at heart and have money to invest.

Yeah I've been waiting for like 3 years for this we'll see how this roller coaster plays out.

 

[clcustom1911]

I didn't buy today, maybe should have, but wanted to see how today shook out. I'm planning on putting more positions on next week.

I understand some people, maybe older folks, are beet-red about the markets, but for someone like me, who is fairly young, lives below means, is well employed and sitting on solid cash reserves, these conditions present an incredible buying opportunity.

I can't say I'm not a bit worried about the future, but I feel a bit like, this is either going to work out and we're buying at a steep discount, or we're fucked anyway, as a country.

Edit: I did buy more ammo yesterday though, just in case.

I'm always buying AAC ammo whenever. It's impulsive for me at this point

 

[rustyinbend]

I'm amazed that every time Trump does something that all the experts say is bad, people are sure he has some master plan that will work out his way. This trade war will cause real damage and I'm not talking ammo prices. Talking gas prices, layoffs and maybe trigger a recession. Problem with being a bully is eventually you unite everyone against you.

Stock market crash in 4, 3, 2, 1....

Are we getting tired of winning yet? (Please don't ask my 401(k) ...)

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Trump is playing chicken not chess, and he bet the farm, literally.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I think it is the voters fault. There are no longer any moderate Democrats or Republicans. We don't elect anyone who isn't extreme left or right. No surprise their agendas are extreme and they can't work together.

In my youth the liberal Republican were more liberal than the conservative Democrats and vice versa. Now the parties have no overlap, no common ground.

There is common ground between both parties. They are both working together for one goal. The New World Order.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

There's a whole lot of this going on in here

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Are we getting tired of winning yet? (Please don't ask my 401(k) ...)

The one thing I was wrong on was gas prices going up. OPEC+ has increased output and the economy is slowing, a surplus is growing so prices should continue to fall.

OPEC+ may be trying to lower prices to discourage our investing in new drilling operations.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

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There's a whole lot of this going on in here

Stock market took the biggest two day loss in the history of the stock market. At what point do you think we should show concern?

 

[AllenOne1]

Stock market took the biggest two day loss in the history of the stock market. At what point do you think we should show concern?

Not even close to true. The market is currently down 14% from it's peak in February. October 19, 1987 the market dropped 22.61% in one (1) day.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Thousands upon thousands of posts here about the New World Order and soros, Rothschild's and others ushering in a one world order. Open borders and a unified government like that of the EU but across the planet.
The plan to destroy the strength of the USA has been happening for decades with a multi prong attack. I find it funny how people get micro on these things and never look at the macro.
What has been happening over the past hundred years has gotten us into a 37 trillion dollar dept and destroyed an industrial manufacturing economy into a consumer economy with 50% of the population dependent on the government 30% of the of the population working for the government (local, state, federal) and 20% of the population actually producing. Y'all been screaming about getting the country turned around and the very first sign of the pain it's going to take to accomplish that y'all freak the fuck out and start ranting about your 401K and other shit.

Circled in red is what they did with funny money created out of thin air because "Covid" the green line and below is what it should be.

Awe fuck it. Y'all don't want to accept the big picture.

All the world is a stage.

 

[Flintdog2011]

Political fuckabout like this always has detrimental effects and it always hurts people financially.

So, genius, how do we repair decades of political fuckabout; that has created an artificial economic handcuffing of the largest economic contributor in history? Maybe try a forced reset to compel the other players to rethink their policies, without bloodshed?

 

[Flintdog2011]

Thousands upon thousands of posts here about the New World Order and soros, Rothschild's and others ushering in a one world order. Open borders and a unified government like that of the EU but across the planet.
The plan to destroy the strength of the USA has been happening for decades with a multi prong attack. I find it funny how people get micro on these things and never look at the macro.
What has been happening over the past hundred years has gotten us into a 37 trillion dollar dept and destroyed an industrial manufacturing economy into a consumer economy with 50% of the population dependent on the government 30% of the of the population working for the government (local, state, federal) and 20% of the population actually producing. Y'all been screaming about getting the country turned around and the very first sign of the pain it's going to take to accomplish that y'all freak the fuck out and start ranting about your 401K and other shit.

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Circled in red is what they did with funny money created out of thin air because "Covid" the green line and below is what it should be.

Awe fuck it. Y'all don't want to accept the big picture.

All the world is a stage.

Preach!!

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Not even close to true. The market is currently down 14% from it's peak in February. October 19, 1987 the market dropped 22.61% in one (1) day.

I stand corrected, very bad, but not worst.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-tariffs-trade-war-04-04-2025/card/stocks-head-for-record-two-day-wipeout-Oph5W2WKWqGaPYRh5Zea

 

[Holliday]

New executive order dropped:

 

[LRRPF52]

would be interested in your take on the rifle scope world. i don't mean holographics,red dots etc don't use them. seems to me that that industry is a quite fragmented area of the trade issue.

The US leads the world in optics, just that the US-made high-end optics goes into DoD programs that are not talked about much, driven by Satellite Reconnaissance, and trickling down from there to high altitude ISR platforms, then FLIR and other sensors on tactical platforms that are so good now, they have strategic implications.

The civilian scope market is way down the list, but I would like to see more US-made options. I hate buying things from countries who abuse us, or have literally declared people’s war on us, where they can include making trash that has designed obsolescence.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Yeah I've been waiting for like 3 years for this we'll see how this roller coaster plays out.

You and me both! I wish I had more money but I’m looking at playing with $100k in cash sitting around. I know that’s small change for a lot of you but that’s big money for this guy!

Stock market took the biggest two day loss in the history of the stock market. At what point do you think we should show concern?

Not even close to true. The market is currently down 14% from it's peak in February. October 19, 1987 the market dropped 22.61% in one (1) day.

This. But like I said guys, it’s gonna hurt. But we got to get this country back on track to secure its place in the future. If we don’t do it now, it’s either gonna be more painful in the future or be too late.

 

[The D]

So, genius, how do we repair decades of political fuckabout; that has created an artificial economic handcuffing of the largest economic contributor in history? Maybe try a forced reset to compel the other players to rethink their policies, without bloodshed?

The most important thing is to not add ankle chains in addition to the handcuffs.

The reason all this happened in the first place is dc mutating into the current animal it is and growing out of control. If the goal really is to make this country into the powerhouse that it was then the fed gov absolutely needs to relinquish a significant amount of control. Fed spending must be drastically reduced in every dept, including many agencies being dissolved completely. Taxing, licensing, laws, & regulations then need to be drastically reduced at the state and local levels to encourage businesses to start. One of the problems a ton of tariff and regulatory fuckabout creates is uncertainty in business startups. Why would someone go through the fucking headaches of dealing with the current fed and local gov nonsense if they know there’s a chance everything could drastically change in a year(or some other arbitrary time)?

 

[SilentStalkr]

Well, a lot of the ammo people are of course saying that this is gonna dry up current supply, force them to pay mega increases the next time they purchase, out a lot of suppliers out of biz and so on. In other words, they are saying the sky is falling in the ammo market.