X - Vectronix Shooting Solutions

Tshootz · Sep 20, 2024

Similar somewhat surprising results this morning. The concrete building at ~1500 yards is hit or miss for my pair of Vector X, but gets picked up every time with my Geovid Pro. The building isn't perpendicular to me, probably 70° going away, so I'm sure it's a hard target to get a good reading on. There are a few pieces of the building that make a sharp corner so maybe the "looser" laser from the Geovid Pro is able to take advantage of that and get a better reading than the "tighter" laser in Vector X. Ranging steel buildings out to 2000+ yards though is not an issue at all. Getting good consistent readings from the Vector X. There isn't much wind this morning so the large flag at ~3000 yards is down and I'm unable to get a reading with either the Geovid Pro or the Vector X. We'll see if the wind picks up and I can try it later in the day.

Similar thoughts this morning for the glass though. I notice a more earth tone/brown image in the Vector X where the Geovid Pro is a more true to actual representation of color. Not that the tone in the Vector X is distracting or bothersome though, just a different hue to it vs the Geovid Pro. I honestly don't notice any of the reflective coating for the display in the Vector X so if anyone was worried about any tint from that I don't think it'll be an issue for you. Clarity, resolution and sharpness between the two though are incredibly similar and I don't think I can tell which one I prefer from that perspective.

parshal · Sep 20, 2024

Tshootz said:
There are a few pieces of the building that make a sharp corner so maybe the "looser" laser from the Geovid Pro is able to take advantage of that and get a better reading than the "tighter" laser in Vector X.

I have the Geovid Pro and Steiner 1535nm which has a small laser. I usually test on very small targets. Try to find a horizontal and vertical post like a fence and find the edge of the laser. Once you've figured that out on a small target you'll be able to better hit that larger target if indeed the issue is with the laser size.

I find it a bit perplexing that the Vector can't hit what the Geovid is. I've not seen that testing with my Steiners next to the Geovid and 10k (both generations).

Tshootz · Sep 20, 2024

parshal said:
I have the Geovid Pro and Steiner 1535nm which has a small laser. I usually test on very small targets. Try to find a horizontal and vertical post like a fence and find the edge of the laser. Once you've figured that out on a small target you'll be able to better hit that larger target if indeed the issue is with the laser size.

I find it a bit perplexing that the Vector can't hit what the Geovid is. I've not seen that testing with my Steiners next to the Geovid and 10k (both generations).

I know it seemed strange. I found where the laser was in the Vector X last night, about .25 mil high and left, and I know where the Geovid Pro is already. I've tried in ULM and LRF mode on the Vector X and it doesn't seem to make a difference on that building specifically. I'll be at a local match this weekend that I'll be testing the Vector X and Geovid Pro on hitting steel plates surrounded by bushes and skylined and that's where I fully expect the Vector X to shine vs the Geovid Pro.

carbonbased · Sep 20, 2024

Stangs55 said:
The film over any range finding bino is always going to cut clarity by some degree, but it's really minimal here.

I know you’re talking about the Vectronix, but as far as the Leica goes, don’t think the glass you look through has a film or filter on it. This is because the LRF module sits outside of the bino, in the middle. I don’t think there’s a sensor inside the barrels.

I could be way off base. But I say this because my 15x Leica Geovid R’s, also with that separate LRF module, don’t seem to have any color difference between the lenses either.

Tshootz · Sep 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
I know you’re talking about the Vectronix, but as far as the Leica goes, don’t think the glass you look through has a film or filter on it. This is because the LRF module sits outside of the bino, in the middle. I don’t think there’s a sensor inside the barrels.

I could be way off base. But I say this because my 15x Leica Geovid R’s, also with that separate LRF module, don’t seem to have any color difference between the lenses either.

There's going to be a coating of some kind in the barrel where the display is, but I'm sure not having the laser in that same location helps with not needing extra coatings or something.

carbonbased · Sep 20, 2024

Tshootz said:
There's going to be a coating of some kind in the barrel where the display is, but I'm sure not having the laser in that same location helps with not needing extra coatings or something.

Oh yeah, forgot about the display needing a film for legibility. Good catch.

In my Leica I can’t see it, but I can sure see it in my non-AB Fury’s (doesn’t bother me though).

Covertnoob5 · Sep 20, 2024

They came in and they’ll have to go right back out Lol

looks like a little glue smudge. Can see it pretty clearly when actually looking thru the binos. Distorts the readout by the center. Not sure if it shows up clearly in the pics.

BigJimFish · Sep 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
I know you’re talking about the Vectronix, but as far as the Leica goes, don’t think the glass you look through has a film or filter on it. This is because the LRF module sits outside of the bino, in the middle. I don’t think there’s a sensor inside the barrels.

I could be way off base. But I say this because my 15x Leica Geovid R’s, also with that separate LRF module, don’t seem to have any color difference between the lenses either.

The laser emitter module is outside of the barrels in the Geovid series. I believe this was probably primarily done to aid the process of reticle / laser alignment though it may also decrease the compromises necessary on the coatings of some of the lenses. The laser receiver utilizes the lens system in the right barrel as with most LRF binos. As such, there will need to be specifically coated mirror system or prism facet of some type to divert the return signal into a receiver. There will also be a notch filter in the right barrel for the display. Because the Geovid Pro uses a much brighter segmented LED display, this notch filter can be far less pronounced than any of the notch filters on binos with an OLED based display. That segmented LED display also uses around 20x the electricity of the OLEDs so the Geovid batteries go much quicker.

Obviously, there has been tremendous improvement in the OLED displays and their notch filters between the Gen I Sig 10ks and the Gen II units and the Vector X. It is quite difficult to notice any blue tint in these second generation devices. For the most part, you need a synthetic situation to do so such as a white will and alternating the same eye behind the right and then left barrel (neither second gen device has a notch filter in the left barrel.) Still, I do believe the notch filter is probably why the Vector X lags the Geovid Pro in color rendition as the glass is equal to or better than the Geovid on a number of other measurements and notch filters do have the tendency to make colors appear less pronounced and vibrant.

carbonbased · Sep 20, 2024

Covertnoob5 said:
View attachment 8506265 View attachment 8506266 View attachment 8506267They came in and they’ll have to go right back out Lol looks like a little glue smudge. Can see it pretty clearly when actually looking thru the binos. Distorts the readout by the center. Not sure if it shows up clearly in the pics.

Yeah, you’re going to have to circle it. I am not sure where you’re looking.

Punkur67 · Sep 20, 2024

Covertnoob5 said:
View attachment 8506265 View attachment 8506266 View attachment 8506267They came in and they’ll have to go right back out Lol looks like a little glue smudge. Can see it pretty clearly when actually looking thru the binos. Distorts the readout by the center. Not sure if it shows up clearly in the pics.

You sure that's not just a man bun hair on the objective? You may want to check before sending them back! Haha

R_A_W · Sep 20, 2024

On the center R in the first pic, to the left of the 03 in the second pic

Also below the battery emblem

Possibly between the two zeros of 0.01 in the third pic

StrayDog · Sep 20, 2024

Tshootz said:
Similar somewhat surprising results this morning. The concrete building at ~1500 yards is hit or miss for my pair of Vector X, but gets picked up every time with my Geovid Pro. The building isn't perpendicular to me, probably 70° going away, so I'm sure it's a hard target to get a good reading on. There are a few pieces of the building that make a sharp corner so maybe the "looser" laser from the Geovid Pro is able to take advantage of that and get a better reading than the "tighter" laser in Vector X. Ranging steel buildings out to 2000+ yards though is not an issue at all. Getting good consistent readings from the Vector X. There isn't much wind this morning so the large flag at ~3000 yards is down and I'm unable to get a reading with either the Geovid Pro or the Vector X. We'll see if the wind picks up and I can try it later in the day.

Similar thoughts this morning for the glass though. I notice a more earth tone/brown image in the Vector X where the Geovid Pro is a more true to actual representation of color. Not that the tone in the Vector X is distracting or bothersome though, just a different hue to it vs the Geovid Pro. I honestly don't notice any of the reflective coating for the display in the Vector X so if anyone was worried about any tint from that I don't think it'll be an issue for you. Clarity, resolution and sharpness between the two though are incredibly similar and I don't think I can tell which one I prefer from that perspective.

Are you lazing handheld, or off a tripod or some rest?

Tshootz · Sep 20, 2024

StrayDog said:
Are you lazing handheld, or off a tripod or some rest?

Both clipped into a tripod. I played some more and it's even more strange... The building has two different shades of grey paint on it in vertical stripes. The darker grey doesn't return a reading consistently, but the lighter grey does... I never thought paint color would effect ranging capabilities of a LRF

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DetroitRearView · Sep 20, 2024

Stangs55 said:
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Some quick napkin thoughts after some backyard glassing.

Glass for comparison left to right above
Swaro SLC 15x56
Swaro 14x52 NL pure
Swaro 12x42 NL pure
Leica Ultravid 10x42
Leica Geovid Pro 10x32
Sig Kilo 10k
Vortex Fury HD AB 10x42
Vector X 12x42 DMR
PLRF 25c

Glass
-Pleasantly surprised. They're no NL Pure, but they'll hold their own against the Leicas. The film over any range finding bino is always going to cut clarity by some degree, but it's really minimal here. The gen I Sigs are blue blue blue...none of that here. Cutting out the straight binos and comparing RFB to RFB, they're probably the best of the bunch followed very closely by Leica to my eyes. Different day, different conditions, I may lean Leica...but for now, the Vectors seem to hold a slight edge. This is mostly driven by clarity/contrast between the two. I looked hard for some chromatic aberration with viewing white objects against a Texas sky, and didn't notice any....and I'm pretty sensitive to CA. Very happy to see this.

Feel
-Meh. They're heavy and blocky....but that's really not to be a surprise. So they're fine. With my NL Pure being my main glassing optic for the last few years, it's kind hard to pickup anything else that doesn't feel the same in the hand. Again, not a fair comparison against a non-RFB, so it is what it is. If Swaro ever releases a NL Pure line with rangefinding capability and AB, it'll be hard to pass up.
Comparing them to the Leica Geovid Pro, the Leica definitely feels better and weighs less....but my Leica's rangefinding capabilities are abysmal and the worst of the bunch.
The flip up caps to protect the objectives are nice...but I'm ready for some third party solutions that screen into the objective. For now, they just push in...which means they also pop out. I've already detached them on accident a few times.

Ranging
-To be determined. They ranged everything quickly and accurately with minimal lag....but I couldn't stretch them past about 1000 yards here. I look forward to getting them to the ranch where we can range windmills in the distance. So far, only the PLRF's have been able to range those at 6000+ yards. None of the other's I've tested in the above lineup have been able to pick them up.
The dual etched reticles are nice and the display layout is excellent. I was worried the reticles would be distracting, but they seem to disappear when glassing. My only worry here is the black etched center aiming reticle. When viewing tree trunks or other dark objects, it can be easy to miss. I worry about its visibility late at night when glassing. An option to turn on an illuminated center reticle would've been a welcome addition for those scenarios it's needed. As a hunter, I hope this isn't a problem in the real world.

Misc
-The app is well done and easy to navigate. No complaints
-The RRS adapter built into the bottom is an awesome option. Only issue here is that the thread pitch is pretty fine and feels easy to strip. I put a dab of loctite on them as I see no need to ever remove them in the future
-Compass calibration is odd. There is no menu setting to do this manually. You just have to wait for a chicken icon to appear in the viewfinder meaning it's time to calibrate. Then it's just one step to the next as laid out in the manual. There's no visual feedback on when to move to the next step...just a manual that says do each one for 2 seconds. If the chicken is gone when you look again, then you presume it worked. I would appreciate some kinda visual feedback on if it worked as this is always a finicky process with any compass calibration for optics. At least let me manually select a setting to start a calibration and then give me a success or failure notification.

Parting thoughts
Very happy with the purchase so far. I plan on taking them for a Wyoming hunt the first week in October, so we'll see how they handle some dust, drops, and long distances.

They work Great in Wyoming! Ranged horses in solid sun today @ 900-1800 yards off my deck this afternoon. Antelope hunting tomorrow morning, actually leaving my beautiful brand new NL 14’s at home! Good glass, RF alignment with laser is almost perfect.

AK74U · Sep 20, 2024

I got to fondle a pair today WITH range enhancers!! 10x DMR model. Ranging has a lag to it as stated earlier. Was only able to range trees. Owner said they ranged every target on the range past 2,000 yards. Owner will let me do a full review this weekend!! Glass is good, even with enhancers and the picture darkened just a bit. I oddly found myself adjusting the binos to fit my eyes. On my 3k's they're extended all the way out, with the Vector X I have to fold them in. Owner opted for the RRS plate, but said that the Area419 might be the better option. They look promising, but only time will tell!!!

Sendero_Man · Sep 21, 2024

@AK74U If I understood correctly, the improved Enhancers will be shipped in 2025. They found a few things to upgrade on them and that pushed back the delivery date

DDGKunia · Sep 21, 2024

Is there a way to transfer your profiles from your AB app to this app without remaking them?
I'm trying to be lazy .

codym · Sep 21, 2024

I’m really interested how these are holding up in comparison to the sig 10k gen 2’s. Specifically in lazing ability/speed and glass quality

AK74U · Sep 21, 2024

Are they making the enhancers perform like the BE10-XT's!?

Sendero_Man said:
@AK74U If I understood correctly, the improved Enhancers will be shipped in 2025. They found a few things to upgrade on them and that pushed back the delivery date

NoLegs24 · Sep 21, 2024

Will these eventually have a software update that will let it shoot the whole Course of Fire for you?

Shooting 12+ stages on Day1 takes a toll. Want to just chill and drink after stage 6.

Why doesn’t it read wind like The Myth, The Legend, Trijicon VentusX?!

We’re going into 2025! Get it together Vectronix!!!!

johnc427 · Sep 21, 2024

Ordered mine May 29, received yesterday. I ordered 12x42 SMR for NRL so maybe mines not as desirable as the DMR. So far they seem to be really solid. Only thing i can't stand is the compass calibration and the "Chicken dance". Like someone said before it's very odd and no way to know if you did it correctly or not.

Tshootz · Sep 21, 2024

So I unintentionally got to test the durability of the Vector X and the RRS mount today at my local match... They were clipped into my tripod partially collapsed and fell over from about 3' up. The ocular cup and lense fared surprisingly well, the left cup is a little looser than the right, but other than that and a couple nicks in the rubber of the cup the binos were okay. I can't say the same for the RRS mount though. I didn't realize that the mount was two very skinny pieces of aluminum connecting the front and back half of the inner mount and both pieces broke. It was much worse right after it happened and I was able to somewhat push them back together, but I'm pretty disappointed in the durability of the mount. Even though this was 100% my fault I'm going to call RRS on Monday and let them know how easily this broke. I don't expect them to do anything for this broken piece so I'm probably going to be purchasing the 419 plate since it's just a solid chunk of aluminum and should fare much better when, not if, this happens again.

BigJimFish · Sep 22, 2024

Tshootz said:
So I unintentionally got to test the durability of the Vector X and the RRS mount today at my local match... They were clipped into my tripod partially collapsed and fell over from about 3' up. The ocular cup and lense fared surprisingly well, the left cup is a little looser than the right, but other than that and a couple nicks in the rubber of the cup the binos were okay. I can't say the same for the RRS mount though. I didn't realize that the mount was two very skinny pieces of aluminum connecting the front and back half of the inner mount and both pieces broke. It was much worse right after it happened and I was able to somewhat push them back together, but I'm pretty disappointed in the durability of the mount. Even though this was 100% my fault I'm going to call RRS on Monday and let them know how easily this broke. I don't expect them to do anything for this broken piece so I'm probably going to be purchasing the 419 plate since it's just a solid chunk of aluminum and should fare much better when, not if, this happens again.

Honestly, this might be a plus. One worry I have with the direct mount on the binocular main tube is that a lot of force could be applied between the mount and the optic and that could break the tube in a bad situation. Having a failure point in the mount might be a good thing. You have me thinking maybe I switch out the Areal 419 I'm using for the RRA to have that fail safe(r) point.

Covertnoob5 · Sep 22, 2024

BigJimFish said:
Honestly, this might be a plus. One worry I have with the direct mount on the binocular main tube is that a lot of force could be applied between the mount and the optic and that could break the tube in a bad situation. Having a failure point in the mount might be a good thing. You have me thinking maybe I switch out the Areal 419 I'm using for the RRA to have that fail safe(r) point.

I’m using the RRS cinch and while not ideal or a real snug fit I feel like because it isn’t hard attached it might be the softest in a hard landing.

R_A_W · Sep 22, 2024

so how many RRS mounts should one buy to get through a PRS season

419 for me

MPHReallyRightStuff · Sep 23, 2024

@Tshootz Honestly, I’ll just swap you out a new one for sure. As you said, just email me in the morning, [email protected]. I’ll definitely want to get it in, primarily to take care of a customer and look into the how and why of the breakage, to see if there is anything we should do.

Do you utilize/like the ability to adjust out cant? Would you rather the mount be more of a traditional/simple style that directs all impact back into the connection point on the bino, spotter, or LRF, etc? (More of a customer feedback / future customer request related question to help guide product design)

Covertnoob5 · Sep 23, 2024

MPHReallyRightStuff said:
@Tshootz Honestly, I’ll just swap you out a new one for sure. As you said, just email me in the morning, [email protected]. I’ll definitely want to get it in, primarily to take care of a customer and look into the how and why of the breakage, to see if there is anything we should do.

Do you utilize/like the ability to adjust out cant? Would you rather the mount be more of a traditional/simple style that directs all impact back into the connection point on the bino, spotter, or LRF, etc? (More of a customer feedback / future customer request related question to help guide product design)

I’d rather have the adapter break than the connection on the bino.

MPHReallyRightStuff · Sep 23, 2024

I’m reading my response again and realizing it could be interpreted as snarky or gotchya. Absolutely not intended, I truthfully want to know the response.

We make the rifle mounts as immovable as possible due to the leverage applied, we make camera plates as static as possible since tight fitment is necessary and long exposure shooters tend to understand the chance they will fall and weight down the pods prior. I have shot plenty of matches and you see daily tripod falls, so this is an important design question when it comes to optics.

Ex: We made the cinch after the center of my binos were stripped out after a fall and I lost the ability to mount my center stud due to the damage of my optic.

_Windrider_ · Sep 23, 2024

NoLegs24 said:
Will these eventually have a software update that will let it shoot the whole Course of Fire for you?

Shooting 12+ stages on Day1 takes a toll. Want to just chill and drink after stage 6.

Why doesn’t it read wind like The Myth, The Legend, Trijicon VentusX?!

We’re going into 2025! Get it together Vectronix!!!!

im still holding out for the trijicon's.

AK74U · Sep 23, 2024

Range report, only had a short time to break away today to take the Vector X for a test drive. I shared them with a few people on the firing line. I should state this now, this is a test and evaluation pair or Vector X 's. So there should be some gradual improvements over the final product. We all agreed that glass was better than every RFB on the firing line. The highest quality RFB on the line this weekend was an old vintage pair of Leica Vector Viper II. Vector X glass minus the enhancers was very bright. With enhancers it darkened just a bit.

Ranging, I tried all the ranging configurations possible (LRM, ULM, LRM+RE, & ULM+RE.) I noticed that when switched between LRM & ULM I got two different readings from the same target. A man sized silhouette at 2100 yards measured 2105 in ULM & 2113 in LRM, both without RE's. Once range enhancers were added, ranging started to struggle a bit. We were thinking there is an issue when ranging with the RE's. Maybe hence why they're being pushed back. The RRS plate was ok. I didn't play with them much, but the cant adjustment worked well in some cases. Other cases I just needed them to be perfectly still without any play.

UI (User Interface) was very simple to use. Once I was familiar with the D-Pad, using the binos was effortless and fun. Utilizing the Range Card was straightforward. Set the target ID and laze the target. I setup my range card for closest target to farthest using Alpha-Foxtrot id's. I didn't get a chance to calibrate the unit to see this funky dance to make the chicken icon disappear. Connecting to devices via Bluetooth was simple and ready to connect to a Kestrel and Calypso respectfully. Main HUD can toggle between just rangefinder and rangefinder with firing solution.

I'm disappointed that I didn't get to spot with the binos to utilize the two reticles.

My only gripes with the Vector X was the firing button took some time getting use to. I think the button should be more pronounced, along with the enter button on the D-Pad. When I first started lazing targets, the compass was showing the wrong compass heading. After the third or fourth range, it finally updated. The chicken icon, from what I've read should only appear when the binos need to have compass calibration. It came and gone over the course of being handled on the range. So it seems like they calibrated on their own. RE's darkened the view by reducing the brightness by 10%-20%. Also the RE's effected the ranging process. The silhouette at 2100 yards could not be ranged in either mode with the RE's. To be honest, there were two pair of SIG Kilo 6K's and they were able to pickup the 2100 yard silhouette quite easily, while my 3k's could only get out to 1,710 rectangle plates. The objective lens covers should be screw in versus pop-ons. They fall out very easily.

I'm glad to have been able to use these binos. I wish someone had a pair of Leica Geovid Pros or Swarovski to compare glass. Hopefully the RE's are under a microscope and are being worked on. UI was very fast switching through options and going through menus. Case lock buckle is a funny funky design, but works. I think Vectronix has made a good entry into the commercial market with these RFB!!

DetroitRearView · Sep 23, 2024

DetroitRearView said:
They work Great in Wyoming! Ranged horses in solid sun today @ 900-1800 yards off my deck this afternoon. Antelope hunting tomorrow morning, actually leaving my beautiful brand new NL 14’s at home! Good glass, RF alignment with laser is almost perfect.

I ranged antelope for my wife of 50 years Saturday, Out of 6 resident tags we applied for we were 1/6 - she drew a doe, I was thrilled that she drew, as I have harvested 50-60 myself. I easily ranged a lot of antelope in the bright sunlight with my 10x Vectors 350-700 yards. She laid out the the one @ 350 with a single .308 round with her trusty Ruger Scout with a perfect double lung shot. So far I really like the VX.

Tshootz · Sep 23, 2024

MPHReallyRightStuff said:
I’m reading my response again and realizing it could be interpreted as snarky or gotchya. Absolutely not intended, I truthfully want to know the response.

We make the rifle mounts as immovable as possible due to the leverage applied, we make camera plates as static as possible since tight fitment is necessary and long exposure shooters tend to understand the chance they will fall and weight down the pods prior. I have shot plenty of matches and you see daily tripod falls, so this is an important design question when it comes to optics.

Ex: We made the cinch after the center of my binos were stripped out after a fall and I lost the ability to mount my center stud due to the damage of my optic.

I didn't take that first comment as anything other than you being awesome and willing to replace something that you have no obligation to and wanting feedback on it, thank you!

I'll shoot you an email here in a few minutes.

DRWilson · Sep 23, 2024

Has anyone using their Vector X also used the Sig Kilo 10K Gen 2?

I am surprised that people aren't able to range as effectively as they had hoped. Have any of those issues been resolved the more you use the device?

BigJimFish · Sep 23, 2024

DRWilson said:
Has anyone using their Vector X also used the Sig Kilo 10K Gen 2?

I am surprised that people aren't able to range as effectively as they had hoped. Have any of those issues been resolved the more you use the device?

There is a direct comparison of the ranging between the Vector X and the Sig 10k Gen 2 in my Gen 2 Sig 10k review. The same comparison will also be in the Vector X review when I publish that in about two weeks.

Njc · Sep 23, 2024

Ah, this is killing me. I’m guessing mile high has already burned through their allotment of the first shipment and I didn’t make the list with an April pre-order date…..

anyone know if mile high have shipped everything they had already? I will just need an alternate plan for hunting season if that is the case.

BigJimFish · Sep 23, 2024

MPHReallyRightStuff said:
Do you utilize/like the ability to adjust out cant? Would you rather the mount be more of a traditional/simple style that directs all impact back into the connection point on the bino, spotter, or LRF, etc? (More of a customer feedback / future customer request related question to help guide product design)

MPHReallyRightStuff said:
We make the rifle mounts as immovable as possible due to the leverage applied, we make camera plates as static as possible since tight fitment is necessary and long exposure shooters tend to understand the chance they will fall and weight down the pods prior. I have shot plenty of matches and you see daily tripod falls, so this is an important design question when it comes to optics.

Ex: We made the cinch after the center of my binos were stripped out after a fall and I lost the ability to mount my center stud due to the damage of my optic.

I have been thinking a lot about this sense I caught myself absent mindedly using my binoculars to move my probably too tight tripod head as if I was using my rifle to do so. Suddenly, I realized I was pulling on four tiny screws in a $3k magnesium optic body as if it were a rail anchored in a rifle stock. Yikes. Then Tshootz knocked over his tripod and I thought wow, I hadn't even thought of that. Spotting scopes typically have a big reinforced chunk of metal around that mount point. I'm sure there is some reinforcement of the area where the mount attaches to the Vector X but I'm also sure it isn't big or beefy. There should almost certainly be a designed failure point to prevent force applied to the ARCA mount from ripping apart to the magnesium main tube. Tshootz was probably fortunate that your ARCA mount snapped preventing all of the force of the crash from being transmitted into the binoculars. He was doubbly lucky though as that mount is not a designed failure point. While certainly weaker in all directions than the solid Area419 block, it is stronger in some directions than others and a fall a different direction might have ended differently.

I am in favor of a mount being designed that is specifically designed to be a protective sacrificial part with a designed failure point under excessive stress. Such a mount might be made of a stiff, UV resistant plastic with poor impact tolerance such as PLA. Frankly, it could even just be 3d printed. The mount should be designed with a failure point between the outside arca rail gripping area and the inside array of machine screws that hold it to the bino. Something like only 4 narrow plastic tabs connecting the two interfaces that will snap if over taxed. My initial thought was to just make a 3d printed peice myself and just print out another if I break it. I could even keep a spare in my range bag. It's less than $2 of printer filiment for a part of that size after all. Of course, having an equivilant comercially made part would be great as not everyone has a 3d printer and such a low cost plastic part could probably be profitably made and sold in a multi-pack for $40 or less.

As for the cant adjustability, this would be usefull if you were attaching the binoculars to a tripod video head. I don't think this is common for shooters though. Both my shooting tripods have head that can cant and pretty much everyone I see is also using tripods with canting heads. I don't think the ability to adjust cant is a big feature.

R_A_W · Sep 23, 2024

You can get 100x nylon M3 screws on Amazon for $9.99 if you’re that worried about it

JR1200W3 · Sep 23, 2024

RRS, If you could make a mini ski binding for the mount with a DIN setting from 1 to 12 and a lateral toe release I would appreciate it

Stangs55 · Sep 23, 2024

Went to setup a 300 PRC profile today which has a zero offset of -0.2 vertical below zero....
Am I nuts or is there no way to set a negative offset in the app? Every other ballistic app I've used can do this...
Yes, I can adjust the turret and rezero, but I'm curious why not?

EDIT: And what about L/R offset without a negative value? Hopefully I'm missing something obvious since it seems it can only be done in positive increments. I'm on iOS.

Tshootz · Sep 23, 2024

DRWilson said:
Has anyone using their Vector X also used the Sig Kilo 10K Gen 2?

I am surprised that people aren't able to range as effectively as they had hoped. Have any of those issues been resolved the more you use the device?

In my squad last weekend we had a pair of both. I unfortunately didn't play with the G2 10k as much as I should have, but I will say I did notice a blue tint still compared to the Vector. Absolutely not near as bad as the G1, but it was still noticeable to me. We didn't have any plates over ~800 yards this time, but both binos were able to consistently hit the small plates I ranged on the first few stages of the day.

Secant · Sep 23, 2024

Stangs55 said:
Went to setup a 300 PRC profile today which has a zero offset of -0.2 vertical below zero....
Am I nuts or is there no way to set a negative offset in the app? Every other ballistic app I've used can do this...
Yes, I can adjust the turret and rezero, but I'm curious why not?

EDIT: And what about L/R offset without a negative value? Hopefully I'm missing something obvious since it seems it can only be done in positive increments. I'm on iOS.

Had that issue for a version of the kestrel/AB app. As a work around, try typing the negative number in your calculator app then copy & paste the value.

Quarter Horse · Sep 24, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
im still holding out for the trijicon's.

Is there any advance info. on these?

_Windrider_ · Sep 24, 2024

Quarter Horse said:
Is there any advance info. on these?

Haven’t heard anything since shit 21 or 22 when they first showed them. Radio silence since.

Sendero_Man · Sep 24, 2024

why them over the Vector X ?

_Windrider_ · Sep 24, 2024

Sendero_Man said:
why them over the Vector X ?

They have LiDAR on board that can read the wind

JR1200W3 · Sep 24, 2024

Ostensibly.

A good plan today is better than the best plan when it's too late.

Buy the Vector now and then recycle them in the PX for the Trijicons when they come out in 3 years for $12K as a beta tester.

Sendero_Man · Sep 25, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
They have LiDAR on board that can read the wind

From what I have seen / read about that is only to 500 yards.

so why ?

J_D · Sep 25, 2024

EO held up my order for the range extenders, but I asked them to ship those later, and get me the binos. They are pretty awesome and if you haven’t ordered them yet, you will.

Great interface and one combo does it all. They are very clear too. My etched crosshair is off by a bit but I spent time today figuring out where it is for exact measurements.

_Windrider_ · Sep 25, 2024

Sendero_Man said:
From what I have seen / read about that is only to 500 yards.

so why ?

Well it’s better than the zero yards you get from a kestrel

Terry Cross · Sep 25, 2024

Sendero_Man said:
From what I have seen / read about that is only to 500 yards.

so why ?

Because that is 95% of the wind battle even if you are shooting out to a K

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