Don’t feel bad. This isn’t your fault. You had a legitimate question. I think you got your answer.
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moa vs mils, the forbidden thread
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The rest is never gonna end for a long time. It’s provided some weekend entertainment!
Lowlight and ChrisWay have both written articles on this subject.
Lowlight's from 2020
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Chris way's from this year.
www.snipershide.com
Lowlight's from 2020
Stop the Debate, Mils vs MOA vs IPHY
Sniper's Hide is constantly fielding the question of Milliradians versus Minute of Angle vs Inches Per Hundred Yards. Mils vs MOA
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Chris way's from this year.
The Straight Dope: Opinion Piece.
Follow Sniper's Hide and pick up the latest information on all things precision rifle related. Sniper's Hide Training is for the serious tactical marksman.
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You are the OP, therefor you can delete it if you want. Just hit edit in the OP, then the delete tab, poof its gone.
I made the post and still don’t understand what’s happening anymore. .36. Squirrel balls. American minutes versus the birth of the SI system.
Ahhhhhhhh
And now you see why you don’t make moa vs mil threads
I made it til @marrymygonads pulled his tape measure out to call on my target then I put the thread on ignore. So zero idea what’s happened in the last 3 pages. But I assume more of the same that it usually turns into until it’s deleted
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I understood IPHY to be what is referred to as "shooter's MOA" but what do I know, I am an MRAD guy.
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Understood.
Thank you.
I have seen scopes sold saying they had an IPHY Reticle.
I have not seen scopes sold saying they had a Shooter's MOA reticle.
-Stan
I was introduced to the legendary thread. I recognize many of the names in there. Some of you have been professionally trolling dudes on the Hide for going on near a decade in some cases. I’m genuinely super impressed.
Naw its lacking minute of duck, and the @Lowlight version of a Hacko knockoff.
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Please don’t tag lowlight he wants no part of this degeneracy and I like being on these forums
Well, I best get back to my other thread, 308 or 556..
What have you got against 7.62X39 or 300wm?
Ballistically inferior to my 6.69x2.69squirrelballs wildcat round I keep in my 7 round keeper under my ghillie for single loading.
Edit: also genuinely thanks to some of the old guard for educating me on some of the goofie history of this forum ha…
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According to the PRS bylaws, if you don’t make enough to pay the bills, your not a professional.
Please kindly refrain from using such language in the future sir.
Frank and @Rob01 both told me MOA is the feminine for MIL, and I believe them. They said they have MOA scopes for the girls.
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This girl loves America — so I MOA.
If I liked Communism and butt stuff with other dudes, I’d use MILs
@Maurygold doesnt even like resco watches, is a komi, and gives us MOA guys a bad rap. (I'm trying to switch, but am a poor and can't afford 9 or 10 ZCOs).
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He’s a fucking full blood commie just based off that statement alone
You are. You're. As in "...you're not a professional."
Truly.
Honestly.
I don't really give a single fuck whether you use MOA, MIL, IPHY, or anything else. For myself, most of my scopes are MOA and SFP because when I started buying shit about 45 years ago, that was what was around and that was what was state of the art. Quite some time ago, I had a Shepherd scope that was IPHY and it had an interesting dual reticle. I really liked that scope and wish it had not been stolen from me along with some SnapOn tools. I have several MIL scopes and I like them just fine. I have qutie a few NF scopes, several Swarovski scopes, several Leupold, maybe 3 or 4 Burris, a couple of Nikons, 2 or 3 Trijicons, a couple of old Weavers, maybe 5 Bushnells...and I am sure you get the idea. Some of the stuff I have is true vintage and I am not likely to get rid of it because nobody wants it so it won't sell and I'll be damned if I am going to toss it in the trash. It fucking works and if it's what I have, I will use it.
I don't give a shit if you are ignorant of the systems and how to use them. You are ignorant, meaning uninformed...you just don't know. You should try to learn and ask why. When a guy is unable to grasp a concept, he is no longer ignorant and may have some sort of learning disability and I can deal with that if he can accept it, too.
What I do give a shit about is some guy that has the capacity to learn but even after being shown over and over and in several ways what is up but insists upon arguing for whatever reason. That is willful stupidity. That dude is a dipshit.
Honestly.
I don't really give a single fuck whether you use MOA, MIL, IPHY, or anything else. For myself, most of my scopes are MOA and SFP because when I started buying shit about 45 years ago, that was what was around and that was what was state of the art. Quite some time ago, I had a Shepherd scope that was IPHY and it had an interesting dual reticle. I really liked that scope and wish it had not been stolen from me along with some SnapOn tools. I have several MIL scopes and I like them just fine. I have qutie a few NF scopes, several Swarovski scopes, several Leupold, maybe 3 or 4 Burris, a couple of Nikons, 2 or 3 Trijicons, a couple of old Weavers, maybe 5 Bushnells...and I am sure you get the idea. Some of the stuff I have is true vintage and I am not likely to get rid of it because nobody wants it so it won't sell and I'll be damned if I am going to toss it in the trash. It fucking works and if it's what I have, I will use it.
I don't give a shit if you are ignorant of the systems and how to use them. You are ignorant, meaning uninformed...you just don't know. You should try to learn and ask why. When a guy is unable to grasp a concept, he is no longer ignorant and may have some sort of learning disability and I can deal with that if he can accept it, too.
What I do give a shit about is some guy that has the capacity to learn but even after being shown over and over and in several ways what is up but insists upon arguing for whatever reason. That is willful stupidity. That dude is a dipshit.
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Moa is more precise and easier to learn.
This thread is like an argument at a Thanksgiving in Ohio — someone always has to have the last word, which causes someone else to need to have the last word, and nobody ever leaves, and the best that can be hoped for is the argument is postponed until the Christmas get-together.
-Stan
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Read the Chris Way article above and then come back.
Also can you hold less than 0.110" at all ranges?
If it makes Christmas, it is destined to be near the top of the legendary thread list.
TRANSLATED for the dipshits: ranges in this instance is NOT a place you go shoot your rifle. In this use @LeftyJason means differing yardages (if you use MOA) you are from the target. Or, if you use the MIL, differing meters from the target.
/s
Go home. You're drunk.
Guess he broke out of his room at the retirement center again after bedtime and is on the community computer lol
And since you are from the 208 and just makin chips.....
And since Idaho is the potato state....
You are making tater chips.
Am I right or am I right or am I right?
Because there aren't any other kinda chips.
Oh, and my username? Yeah....I don't have to do much math for a living anymore. Nowadays I have young engineers figuring shit out for me and if it makes sense, as in common sense, as in reasonable, I usually just go with it. I have forgotten much of what was once an every day use. However, it does come right back to me once I have a need. BS, MS on the resume.
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NO, NO, NO,,,,I worked with people with mental retardation all my life. Even the ones who are Profoundly MR (IQ scores 0 to 15) are too smart to try to figure inches when correcting their shooting. They know, ANGLES, not inches. (Besides, everyone with an IQ above a mentally retarded rock, knows that Minutes of Angle is NOT inches.).
It’s ANGLES not numbers.
My first name is tater.And since you are from the 208 and just makin chips.....
And since Idaho is the potato state....
You are making tater chips.
Am I right or am I right or am I right?
Because there aren't any other kinda chips.
Oh, and my username? Yeah....I don't have to do much math for a living anymore. Nowadays I have young engineers figuring shit out for me and if it makes sense, as in common sense, as in reasonable, I usually just go with it. I have forgotten much of what was once an every day use. However, it does come right back to me once I have a need. BS, MS on the resume.
They call you tater salad?My first name is tater.
While we have the group assembled.
You guys wanna do this here? Or somewhere else?
You guys wanna do this here? Or somewhere else?
The only time I use inches is for wind hold with a reticle that has no MOA or Mil graduations on the horizontal crosshair. Dial elevation and hold inches for wind.
This does require you to know roughly your target width in inches. IPSC 18” ave hog head 12” ears to snout. Kestrel can give wind in inches so I use that for plain duplex reticles & red dots.
This does require you to know roughly your target width in inches. IPSC 18” ave hog head 12” ears to snout. Kestrel can give wind in inches so I use that for plain duplex reticles & red dots.
I don’t actually know what one of these is.
Edit: that’s a rabbit hole I’m not going down.
^ This is intriguing.
I tried to get my wife to hold a few inches last night, roughly from a point in my center waist - halfway to my knee. Apparently she still hasn't recovered from that bad headache of 2022.
Haha! No, it was just mentioned to use target widths as hold offs.Oh, did I already say this?
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