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During Covid I was bouncing channels and NBCSN had on Air Gun comps that were nothing but carnival shots, toys, games, bright colors, it was all 80s Neon. But it was shooting on a Network
The big leagues don’t want the association of the tactical rifles, I know people that reached out. we are too close, too connected to Black Rifles so anything would have to be built, grown then sold,
I'm surprised NBCSN had a shooting sport shown. It must have been dumbed down enough to be inoffensive. NBC currently runs a "trigger warning" before biathlon.
In 2012, NBCSN had a deal to air 3GN. The Sandy Hook shooting ended that before it started when the cancelled all firearms related programming and picked up Major League Soccer.
I shoot a different game than this, even though I'd be interested in trying it. I shoot CMP/NRA High Power twice monthly over the summer, monthly in the winter and Any/Any Long Range a couple times a year. I also run my club's High Power Program, a monthly 100 yard reduced match. Our biggest problem seems to be getting participation. Less than 1% of our club will shoot it.
Some of the reluctance is cost, some is having to put a score next to their name. I would guess that fees and recorded scores chase off new competitors.
I don't disagree with you. Two governing bodies in a pissing match, one driven by .gov to exclude the other. We have a couple of new Navy shooters but no new civilians.And high power is cheap relatively speaking. I made high master in XTC with an A2 service rifle in 10 matches. Shot it religiously for several years, won stuff at Perry, including a couple national records. I gave up on high power because the writing was on the wall. NRA moved their match, AMU doesn’t even attend it. CMP and NRA can’t get along. Attendance overall is dwindling, and there is no leadership driving it forward. Our local scene is struggling too, last club match I went to in 2019 had like 16 shooters. None of my friends would buy a coat or an antiquated heavy rifle that is limited to 4.5x optics, or a space gun to shoot a match that has zero other competitors. PRS type matches killed it, and even the AMU admits it. Look how many of the AMU guys now shoot PRS, even if it’s on their own dime. I love high power but I’m not investing my time and money into it anymore.
NRA and CMP would do well to expand their matches to include steel matches. Heck isn’t the finale next year at Raton? If the CMP would break off a piece of their budget and set up a steel match I think people would do it. If your goal is to further the shooting sports, why limit yourself to such a niche discipline like service rifle or air guns?
CMP and NRA used to cooperate. I'd bet that the separation was more political than game driven.This whole idea if you support me you cant support thee is the problem, they created the drama by refusing to play nice with others
This new NRL Huntet series is a great idea. The hunting market is huge, it dwarfs the precision market. Things like hunter matches will bring new people to the precision side and everyone is going to benefit. The biggest challenge is getting new people to their first match, it has to be promoted well and not framed like an elitist faction.
With Practiscore barely functioning as-is that would be a complete impossibility.We tried the golf route,
Had a handicap system designed, won't work unless someone can automate it into the software scoring
So it sounds like a more modern and robust product that does what PractiScore does, but better, would be an open product niche.With Practiscore barely functioning as-is that would be a complete impossibility.
Very much so.So it sounds like a more modern and robust product that does what PractiScore does, but better, would be an open product niche.
With Practiscore barely functioning as-is that would be a complete impossibility.
Hi,
The electronic registration/score tracking system is an easy fix. Shit..in its' most simplistic form it is nothing more than an advanced excel spreadsheet.
Domain to host registration/score tracking system website is cheaper than a box of 6.5CM ammunition.
So in summary....
The shooting organization needs to cater/focus on the club level events while at the same time implementing the organizations SOPS instead of demanding club level events cater to the organization?
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi,
The electronic registration/score tracking system is an easy fix. Shit..in its' most simplistic form it is nothing more than an advanced excel spreadsheet.
Domain to host registration/score tracking system website is cheaper than a box of 6.5CM ammunition.
So in summary....
The shooting organization needs to cater/focus on the club level events while at the same time implementing the organizations SOPS instead of demanding club level events cater to the organization?
Sincerely,
Theis
the other way though. much more likelyThe two do not have to be mutually exclusive. We are all customers down to the match directors. Why would I let my roofing contractor tell me who I can and cannot have in my home before they throw shingles on?
Here if you want to go back in Time,
Watch this Burkett video of the SHC from 2008, the best part is around 3:40 mark to 5;00 watch how out of breath Matt is ...
That was one stage.
The Culverts near the end are a 300 yard live fire obstacle course, that's how we did matches, with movement.
My answer is simply because I want people to have fun while shooting guns. It's really no more complicated than that. The sport, industry, whatever doesn't need to grow for that to happen.
There is a time points limiter that does not allow any shooter to ever receive more time bonus points then 25% of their target score. This is to eliminate the ability for the competitor to speed through a stage and obtain a larger number of time points while sacrificing accuracy. Example- The shooter hits only 4 targets (40 points) but completes the COF in 1:00 on a stage with a par time of 2:00. That would be 60/2=30 Time points, but because they only scored 40 Target points the max time bonus they can receive is 10 points. The shooters overall score would be 50 (40 Target / 10 Time)
The people that hunt from a truck or a side-by-side do.It's the same Shooters shooting their open glass guns without the weights attached, and a Creedmoor barrel screwed on they had sitting on their bench.
My friends I shoot with are headed to NE in April for that hunter match. I was ready to sign up and I realized that I have two match rifles, and dozens of hunting rifles, that will either not be competitive, or meet the rules.
Nobody is dragging around a 16lb rifle for elk or deer.
Pistol is easy. Just use it as a time crunch.
“you must successfully engage xyz target X amount of times with pistol before moving to your rifle”
No points for pistol. Just impacts. Better you are with a pistol = faster you get to your rifle for your points
We had this on blast just prior to Scout
We had points for the distance, we had points for stages, we had a big math formula that was used to balance the events held at different locations
We broke it down pretty well and in the end, it still didn't work, part of the discussions turned into the Missouri MOST Series, they took a lot of the discussion and started their own series with it.
At the end of the day, you want simplicity but also you want to recognize things are different. Does the handicap work if I use a .22 instead of a 6.5CM? What happens if I do it on a 600-yard range vs a 1000 yard one, how do scale it so my hits work.
In order to do what people want, and I get what people want, we have 20 years of talking about it, you need control stages. Instead of trying to handicap an entire event, you have to segment it into stages that can be graded.
You want control stages, those set the tone for national recognition outside of an event. So even if you can't make a national event you have a way to score yourself alongside those who attended.
The golf model works, but not in the same way. The reason golf works are consistency from location to location. You are doing something that is consistent and can be counted to finish a task. Our sport is technically backward, we have a number of shots to finish something given to us upfront, vs trying to do it in the least amount of shots. You would have to change everything to 1 shot, 1 point, end of the story.
You can fix it, and it would probably work well too if you change the format a bit. Maybe break stages into something consistent like 3 shot stage, 5 shot stage, 8 shot stage, 10 and 12, etc.
Where you can use an average like that to say, an event shoot 100 rounds and will have X 2 MOA target, Y 1 MOA etc, and your score is based off Z ... but you need the same data tested. You fired 100 rounds the Match was given a Range Score of 50 and you hit 75 so your score is This....
This is where standardizing things helps, if you standard part of the COF, you can grade it.
All great ideas, but ideas are easy; execution is everything. Is there someone implementing all of these ideas?
that was 100% my course of fire, other than Section A where Jake dropped those targets, we just extended the distances.
I used every inch of that place to set up those stages. You had direction changes with the wind, the car stage was fun to design.
Shoot though the holes, this stage had the rabbit between the legs of the target and it got its head cut off.
Including the extra movement makes it fun