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With Vudoo sole sourcing custom work there are very limited options. Kenny was pushing RimX since the beginning and this impacts business. CZ is pretty much all that’s left right now until this is resolved. Seems like a good reason to make a video to me. The sad part is this should have been resolved months ago before needing it to be public.
So based on what we know, there are at least 997 actions that are out there allegedly to have a bolt issue. For the sake of discussion, let’s say up until now DPG personally put his hands on at least 50 actions (totally made up number) and a healthy portion let’s say 300 of the 997 are still on dealer shelves (totally made up number). If my bro math is right that’s over 600 already in people’s hands somewhere. Where are the complaints of issues? Definitely not reported here or on RFC with a quick search. I’m not a fan boy as I have multiple platforms but it’s just odd to me no one else is reporting it.
There are lots of forums out there, and it depends how many have hit the streets, no?
I was wonder
I was wondering the same thing... One video from one shop and we have a problem?? I havent heard a single thing about this from anyone or from any of the shops cranking out RimX's....
I was wondering the same thing... One video from one shop and we have a problem?? I havent heard a single thing about this from anyone or from any of the shops cranking out RimX's....
Send your stuff over to Modacam 
He hasn't had any reports of an issue over there.
He hasn't had any reports of an issue over there.
I’m more curious about a direct response from Zermatt to be honest. I don’t care if it’s 100 or 1000. I would put my Vudoo up against anything out there, but totally soured on the company itself. I have a RimX and it went back. That’s my interest in this.
Everything mechanical can have flaws, how it’s addressed is more important to me. I haven’t seen an official response to this.
I had this issue with 30xx serial number almost right after receiving it (within 100 rounds). Ray addressed it very promptly. I believe the bolt body was replaced. It ran perfect after that.
I ordered another action - serial 36xx - and have had no issue with ~1,500 rounds through it.
I ordered another action - serial 36xx - and have had no issue with ~1,500 rounds through it.
Most likely because one isn't warranted.. I have known and worked with the people over at Zermatt for a long time and they have never been shy to taking care of any issues....No matter how big or small.
What does that have to do with your zermatt action? So your posting on SH asking for a fix and never picked up the phone and called the manufacturer??
I figured that was the case
If you are having a problem with a RimX action doing the gouging thing. Email them the pictures and action info. They Will Take Care of it. Ray will stand behind it. I know of 3 actions having this issue. I get contacted by a lot of people as I have owned a LOT or Rifles by LOTS of builders. I put all that info out there about what I own and shoot.
Ray will take care of it if you contact him with an email. I am sure he is as SHOT now and you will not get a response till next week.
On the CZ I get that DPG spends time truing up the action as part of the building process but what does DPG do to the RimX action, if anything, that takes a year for a prefit to be made? I’m not talking about any extra features added like the extractor mod.
He personally builds every rifle. There’s a backlog. He doesn’t just slap barrels on them and pump them out. It’s centerfire rifles too. There’s only so many hours in the day.
He trued up my Vudoo too. People wait years for a single gunsmith on 1911’s. They can only build so many.
What is being built on the RimX other than spinning the barrel? Does he remachine the RimX action?
Speaking of 1911s. The longest I’ve waited on a custom 1911 was a little over two years but I wasn’t asked to pay until it was ready.
Speaking of 1911s. The longest I’ve waited on a custom 1911 was a little over two years but I wasn’t asked to pay until it was ready.
I paid a 50% deposit. The rest when it shipped.
How many rifles a year can one man put out a year?
You don’t like the wait times, don’t buy one of his rifles. How does it impact you? Are you on the wait list? Buy a pre-fit and slap them on if that’s your preference. You can also go to DI or MCR. What does it matter to you of you’re not buying one?
I know he’s shot and documented every rifle I’ve purchased. I’ve been very happy with the results. I knew the wait time and the cost up front.
How many rifles a year can one man put out a year?
You don’t like the wait times, don’t buy one of his rifles. How does it impact you? Are you on the wait list? Buy a pre-fit and slap them on if that’s your preference. You can also go to DI or MCR. What does it matter to you of you’re not buying one?
I know he’s shot and documented every rifle I’ve purchased. I’ve been very happy with the results. I knew the wait time and the cost up front.
Easy there. Seems like the only people that are upset about the whole thing are his customers. Now all of a sudden Zermatt is fucking them over somehow. That’s not fair to Zermatt. Again where are the other hundreds of people?
Even before all this having to wait 9+ months for a RimX prefit sounded ridiculous. Putting together a RimX is like playing with Legos. That was the beauty of the action. It didn’t take a gunsmith to assemble it. If he’s doing extra machining and truing to the action itself I get the extended wait times but no one has mentioned that. Doesn’t impact me as all of the prefits I’ve ever purchased shot really well on my “out of the box action.”
But holy shit the DPG fan base are a different breed. Brand loyalty is strong and commendable. He could tell customers the wait time will be 3 years and no one would bat an eye.
Even before all this having to wait 9+ months for a RimX prefit sounded ridiculous. Putting together a RimX is like playing with Legos. That was the beauty of the action. It didn’t take a gunsmith to assemble it. If he’s doing extra machining and truing to the action itself I get the extended wait times but no one has mentioned that. Doesn’t impact me as all of the prefits I’ve ever purchased shot really well on my “out of the box action.”
But holy shit the DPG fan base are a different breed. Brand loyalty is strong and commendable. He could tell customers the wait time will be 3 years and no one would bat an eye.
Truing a Vodoo and machining RIMX actions? Given the seemingly isolated concern, I would hope it is not something the shop is doing on another part causing an issue?
Before people get upset, not saying this is the case, but.........
Hopefully the ACTUAL facts will be known or proven shortly!
Pete
Before people get upset, not saying this is the case, but.........
Hopefully the ACTUAL facts will be known or proven shortly!
Pete
It's funny, as others have stated, that's one of reasons I went with a RimX, basically zero waiting. Found an in stock action, got a barrel from Manzella in like 3 weeks, torqued the barrel on and the thing shoots! Zermatt makes a sweet action.
Edit: just for reference mine is early 29xx serial number no issues whatsoever.
Edit: just for reference mine is early 29xx serial number no issues whatsoever.
I believe the bolt lugs and material aren’t touched.
These also happened on new in box untouched actions. No reason to conflate one issue with another. I wouldn’t run a stock RimX as is anyways. I’ve had friends break off extractors during stages and short stroke the bolts and cause stuck rds and cases.
Ray,
What was the change to the cocking piece geometry? The shape of the cocking piece has been my #1 complaint of the RimX since day 1. I look forward to hearing what the change was.
I would bet 90% of those running a Rim-x are running it stock. There seem to be two smiths out there changing the extraction method into a CZ/Vudoo style. My guess is if the majority of shooters were running the this modification Zermatt would consider changing the design. I have serial 00320 with a proof pre-fit I screwed on. Shoots great with the right ammo, have I run into the dreaded stuck round. . . . Yes.
You said it. The original RimX mag is a superior Rimfire design compared to the Vudoo.
Funny enough - after getting the ModX to basically have a Vudoo that runs RimX mags, my RimX runs smoothest with my poly vudoo mags.
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I had the issue with bolt gouging (posted earlier on this thread) and contacted Zermatt directly.
I received a reply from Ray within 48 hours, and he sent out a replacement bolt body the same day I received the reply. So as far as customer service, Zermatt is still top notch.
Unfortunately the replacement bolt body did not fix the issue as the lugs are still being gouged. However, Zermatt is working on a fix and will make it right with customers experiencing these issues.
I received a reply from Ray within 48 hours, and he sent out a replacement bolt body the same day I received the reply. So as far as customer service, Zermatt is still top notch.
Unfortunately the replacement bolt body did not fix the issue as the lugs are still being gouged. However, Zermatt is working on a fix and will make it right with customers experiencing these issues.
With whatever possible negative light the bolt lug wear could shine on Zermatt I firmly believe their customer service will more than make up for it. Ray & the team there are top shelf! I am a Vudoo guy, but not because I believe in the company but because the design aspects of the V-22 is what I prefer. If there were a few changes made to the RimX design I would definitely be shooting one. The two I owned I needed to work through a few minor issues and Ray was all over it. It was obvious that he cares about the product and his customer *not saying Vudoo doesn’t*.
The people asking for RimX to make changes to the design of the action so it uses extractors I just dont see happening. Thats the whole reason the RimX design exists was a new design that didnt require timing and cutting extractors and setting headspace for specific ammo... If that happens, prefits are out the window and you have yourself a Vudoo. Every action will need to be sent to a gunsmith for the barrel to be properly timed and extractor grooves cut and you WILL have to set headspace based off your ammo of choice.. There is no way around that if you go the extractor groove route....
Maybe Zermatt comes out with a new bolt head that comes with traditional extractors for people to purchase and then you can send your action and new bolt head off to a smith to have them fit, time, headspace and cut extractor grooves... That barrel is married to that action only forever and prefits are out the window until you swap back to the original bolt head....
Not something Id do and dont find it necessary but gives more options to the people that demand it...
Maybe Zermatt comes out with a new bolt head that comes with traditional extractors for people to purchase and then you can send your action and new bolt head off to a smith to have them fit, time, headspace and cut extractor grooves... That barrel is married to that action only forever and prefits are out the window until you swap back to the original bolt head....
Not something Id do and dont find it necessary but gives more options to the people that demand it...
Exactly what some of us preferred to do. The bolt head swaps back to the original in seconds, and we can still buy a prefit. An enhanced Vudoo with no feeding issues.
Vudoo’s PE route hopefully works out for them.
@J_D is Kenny building you a Modded RimX or a standard RimX? I did not look through all the posts. If you or Kenny either one contact Zermatt Arms Ray or Aaron they will take care of the bolt and send a new one. If Kenny is not willing to do that and finish your build that sucks for you. It does not take a Youtube video calling out a company on a random issue to get something taken care of. In my opinion all its done is started to put charring on the bridge between the 2 companies DPG and Zermatt.
Kenny takes forever to do things because he does things Kennys way and only Kennys way. It's his business so that's what shooters have to deal with. Kenny and I do not see Eye to Eye on things and that's between us. He builds a great system as I own 2 of his centerfire builds I bought Second Hand with a total of 4 barrels on Origin actions. They shoot and shoot well.
I have also owned one of him RimX Builds and traded it off and it's still shooting well. That system has well into the 30K rounds down the tube and just went back to him for a freshening up. The barrel had lost accuracy with known good tested ammo. He touched up the chamber and did away with the 1/2x28 threads on the barrel w/ his new double crown. All of that work was done for just the shipping costs. He takes care of his builds. His is now back boring a crown on all threaded RF barrels if he can't talk the customer out of it being threaded.
Kenny takes forever to do things because he does things Kennys way and only Kennys way. It's his business so that's what shooters have to deal with. Kenny and I do not see Eye to Eye on things and that's between us. He builds a great system as I own 2 of his centerfire builds I bought Second Hand with a total of 4 barrels on Origin actions. They shoot and shoot well.
I have also owned one of him RimX Builds and traded it off and it's still shooting well. That system has well into the 30K rounds down the tube and just went back to him for a freshening up. The barrel had lost accuracy with known good tested ammo. He touched up the chamber and did away with the 1/2x28 threads on the barrel w/ his new double crown. All of that work was done for just the shipping costs. He takes care of his builds. His is now back boring a crown on all threaded RF barrels if he can't talk the customer out of it being threaded.
Also, on a side note and Im not speaking to anyone in particular here.
My involvement with 100s of RimX's since its release, helping fellow RimX owners and multiple different gunsmiths... I have found that not all chassis and stocks are created equal and some work better with the RimX than others. Most of the time this has been the issue with proper feeding where a round gets in front of the extractor and tensioner, causing a stuck round in the chamber....
I havent had this issue with my XLR Envy Pro/RimX combo for 50k rounds... I have assisted with this issue with numerous people were I took their barreled action and dropped it in my XLR Envy Pro and zero feeding issues or stuck rounds.
While the RimX has made building a very accurate rimfire much easier than in the past, and you CAN just put parts together, knowing how everything works and what parts play nice together, how to adjust everything and what to look for and test is key in making a very accurate and reliable RimX.
Again, just speaking out loud here from experience with this platform since before release.
My involvement with 100s of RimX's since its release, helping fellow RimX owners and multiple different gunsmiths... I have found that not all chassis and stocks are created equal and some work better with the RimX than others. Most of the time this has been the issue with proper feeding where a round gets in front of the extractor and tensioner, causing a stuck round in the chamber....
I havent had this issue with my XLR Envy Pro/RimX combo for 50k rounds... I have assisted with this issue with numerous people were I took their barreled action and dropped it in my XLR Envy Pro and zero feeding issues or stuck rounds.
While the RimX has made building a very accurate rimfire much easier than in the past, and you CAN just put parts together, knowing how everything works and what parts play nice together, how to adjust everything and what to look for and test is key in making a very accurate and reliable RimX.
Again, just speaking out loud here from experience with this platform since before release.
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Does Zermatt machine their own bolt assemblies?
Ray normally pops into this thread and answers questions. Any word why he's MIA here?
Ray normally pops into this thread and answers questions. Any word why he's MIA here?
You missed the point. Vudoo still does, and the RimX with a bolt mod is the better of the 2. Best of both worlds is what I want.A properly built and setup RimX doesnt have any feeding issues...
Shot Show. I don’t expect any responses will be here until it’s over.
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